Pope offendes muslims

[Giovanni Fascisti]

Originally Posted by czech speacial forces

your generalizing.

Is he?
Was it not you who said:

Originally Posted by czech speacial forces

no one is saying most muslims are violent. but most muslims have a more extreme view of religeon than the average christian.
but damnit the ratio of terrorist to muslims is higher than ratio of terrorist to christian.
in islam the extremists seem to have most power over the countrys and thus making the whole look bad, why dount the people condem the extremists.

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Hey, I'll make some too.
So the religious fascists are trying to rekindle the Muhammad Cartoons rage and exploit it? Big whoopie.
This is an excellent opportunity for the extremists to remind the world, and especially their own autocrat governments, that they still hold sway over the mob. In fact, I bet we will see a few more of these blown-out-of-proportion incidents in the future.

[Fortune]

What you get to see on Television is bullcrap, just like whatever you see of Christians on television, fact is television is a bunch of extremes, organized and edited for our amusement, horror, sadness or happiness.
(Or Nightmares ).

No one should deal in extremes, anyone who does will not judge realisticly the people at the other end of the field, or even perhaps the people next to you.

[-DarthMaul-]

Ok I wrote a very big, couple of paragraphs, but EVE Online is being Evil!! And the computer restarted before I saved lol...

Anyhow, I know you wont agree with this, but some might. Yes we also are in for freedom of speech, and We arent saying you shouldnt have it. But with muslims, We hold religions very deal, and we consider them sensitive things. No this isnt part of extremism, because even I a muslim who lives in the west feel so. We draw the line of freedom of speech when we see it transcending into Religious matters. We don't likt it when people make fun of religions o fanykind..we dont like it when CHRISTIANs make fun of Jesus. All we want is just some respect to our religion, which some people just think is waaayyy too hard to give. Making fun of Muslims themselves sint hurting anyone because it already happens, but the religion itself is where we like to step back. There CAN be a compromise, but it wont work if you think the whole world is gonna run as western as you think..Yes I love western culture and ideals, but osme things I dont agree with like total freedom of speech and what not..total as in when it comes to religion..

Anyhow, this isnt about him disrepecting the religion, so I dont know WHY this was brought up. This was about him quoting an emperor(or was it a pope) from the 14th century. I myself dont like it that he quoted the man. I think he should've self-critizised other religions including christianity as well. I dont know what the point of the quote was, he didnt say it to really mean it(atleast thats what I think)..

if the christian world was like them then the world would have been destroyed long ago but nukes. thank god these people live in poor countrys.

Actually alot of Arab families live more richely then you..(which is one reason I dont like Arabians, too un-islamic, dont care about Arabs or the world, all they care about is money, and by arabians I mean Saudies, Kuwaities, Qatar, etc) although some of them are good people, some of them I just really hate.

But that is just the thing. You've got hundreds of thosands, almost millions of Muslims rioting. Yes only a select view are terrorists who do any damage to humans, but Islam, in the mideast, is still far more violent then Christianity.

I dont whos aid it, but look at Hungary right now..Didnt somebody say that muslims rioted for stupid reasons in france....Do you call hungary's rioting right now stupid? Well not me, they both had good reason(but no no no I dont agree with rioting if it ends up killing people or burning buildings)

It's true that not all muslims are violent, but why aren't we hearing outrage from the moderates over what the radicals are saying?

Because alot o fus, including me, are also angry at what the pope said..we dont agree with the rioting and some of us see no reason to condemn the rioting..I myself condemn the killing of the nun, and any loss of life. I myself dont agree with rioting if it ends up killing anyone.

but damnit the ratio of terrorist to muslims is higher than ratio of terrorist to christian.

your making no sense....There are more TERRORISTS(you've generalised all terrorists by terrorism not religon by the way) to muslims then christianity? duh there are less muslims than christianis, if you even say ratio of terrorists to jews its gonna be much higher..But I know what you mean, muslim terrorists to muslims, and christian terrorists to christians..As I said I dont think these people are even true followers of thier religion, because even the Qu'ran clearly condones it, and many many many muslims throughout the world issued fatwas against OBL and Terrorism.

Pretty much the same reason very few spoke out against dictators like Stalin. You'd probably get beat down and killed. Like you said, those people have considerable influence over a country's affiars, be it the government or a terrorist group.

Actually the governments pretty much dont care over there, its been done on TV and such. The governments only care if you speak out against THEM. And as I said before, some people are too angry to WANT to speak out.

[Chemix2]

Originally Posted by -DarthMaul-

Ok I wrote a very big, couple of paragraphs, but EVE Online is being Evil!! And the computer restarted before I saved lol...
Anyhow, I know you wont agree with this, but some might. Yes we also are in for freedom of speech, and We arent saying you shouldnt have it. But with muslims, We hold religions very deal, and we consider them sensitive things. No this isnt part of extremism, because even I a muslim who lives in the west feel so. We draw the line of freedom of speech when we see it transcending into Religious matters. We don't likt it when people make fun of religions o fanykind..we dont like it when CHRISTIANs make fun of Jesus. All we want is just some respect to our religion, which some people just think is waaayyy too hard to give. Making fun of Muslims themselves sint hurting anyone because it already happens, but the religion itself is where we like to step back. There CAN be a compromise, but it wont work if you think the whole world is gonna run as western as you think..Yes I love western culture and ideals, but osme things I dont agree with like total freedom of speech and what not..total as in when it comes to religion..
Anyhow, this isnt about him disrepecting the religion, so I dont know WHY this was brought up. This was about him quoting an emperor(or was it a pope) from the 14th century. I myself dont like it that he quoted the man. I think he should've self-critizised other religions including christianity as well. I dont know what the point of the quote was, he didnt say it to really mean it(atleast thats what I think)..
Actually alot of Arab families live more richely then you..(which is one reason I dont like Arabians, too un-islamic, dont care about Arabs or the world, all they care about is money, and by arabians I mean Saudies, Kuwaities, Qatar, etc) although some of them are good people, some of them I just really hate.
I dont whos aid it, but look at Hungary right now..Didnt somebody say that muslims rioted for stupid reasons in france....Do you call hungary's rioting right now stupid? Well not me, they both had good reason(but no no no I dont agree with rioting if it ends up killing people or burning buildings)
Because alot o fus, including me, are also angry at what the pope said..we dont agree with the rioting and some of us see no reason to condemn the rioting..I myself condemn the killing of the nun, and any loss of life. I myself dont agree with rioting if it ends up killing anyone.
your making no sense....There are more TERRORISTS(you've generalised all terrorists by terrorism not religon by the way) to muslims then christianity? duh there are less muslims than christianis, if you even say ratio of terrorists to jews its gonna be much higher..But I know what you mean, muslim terrorists to muslims, and christian terrorists to christians..As I said I dont think these people are even true followers of thier religion, because even the Qu'ran clearly condones it, and many many many muslims throughout the world issued fatwas against OBL and Terrorism.
Actually the governments pretty much dont care over there, its been done on TV and such. The governments only care if you speak out against THEM. And as I said before, some people are too angry to WANT to speak out.

So you're saying Christianity should critize itself, and the world should act like it's perfect little angle, not being twisted for the purposes of violence and death

[Afterburner]

Originally Posted by -DarthMaul-

I dont whos aid it, but look at Hungary right now..Didnt somebody say that muslims rioted for stupid reasons in france....Do you call hungary's rioting right now stupid? Well not me, they both had good reason(but no no no I dont agree with rioting if it ends up killing people or burning buildings)

That is what rioting is. Violent protests. When you riot you are either destroying buildings or somehow damaging personal property or human life. If they just marchedpeacefully in the streets like most people do when they are angry then people wouldn't be laughing at them.

[Jeffro]

Originally Posted by -DarthMaul-

Just plainly get along with the rest of the muslim populace, show respect by not offending, and ats ALL thats needed

/rant on

So you are asking me to muzzle my free speech? Screw that. Even if some jerk made an abstract painting of a fetus crapping on Mohammed's face or a porno that stars "Jesus the Penis" as the main character, he has the right to do that. No matter how offensive or morally repulsive it is, freedom allows such things to be made. Because I'm not a religious man who doesn't go to church every Sunday or pray to mecca, does that make me a heathen/infedel worthy of killing or torturing?

/rant off

But how about christian africans burning mosques or going around in mobs beating up muslims, etc?

That I agree with. Not much attention is centered to "God's Army" or the "Lord's Resistance Army". It's a shame.

Yes we also are in for freedom of speech, and We arent saying you shouldnt have it. But with muslims, We hold religions very deal, and we consider them sensitive things.

Sensitive enough to start burning flags, dummies, and buildings? That is a pretty extreme reaction to a quote that was taken out of context. Answer me this. Why do Muslims ignore the whole point the Pope was trying to make and instead, just concentrate on the ancient quote?

[Sedistix]

I believe this is a stricken response from a less developed nation. What else are they suppose to do, contact their local representatives, and perhaps get some fall out from them? Mob mentalities are tolerated and actually the norm in many parts of the world. It’s also a human characteristic regardless of circumstance. You get a lot of people in one spot together, with one mindset on anything, and you have a potential problem.

In other parts, I have too disagree on the distinction that this extremism is worse then any other secular extremism.

These mobs are visible and identifiable for what they are. Whereas modern religious attacks occur just as frequently and probably hurt worse, with the only difference being that they happen behind closed doors of establishments and corporations in the form of deals and leeway’s. In my opinion the only differences here, are the tools for which they use. Muslims appear to be using the Sword & Fire, while other developed nations with strong secular ties use the Pen & Paper. While one is obviously more dangerous then the other in terms of immediate physical harm, the pen and paper out does it in the long run.

[-DarthMaul-]

Sensitive enough to start burning flags, dummies, and buildings? That is a pretty extreme reaction to a quote that was taken out of context. Answer me this. Why do Muslims ignore the whole point the Pope was trying to make and instead, just concentrate on the ancient quote?

So you're saying Christianity should critize itself, and the world should act like it's perfect little angle, not being twisted for the purposes of violence and death

Yes thats exatly what im saying, self-criticise your-self first(not you, the pope or whatever other religious leader in the world needs to self criticise his own religion)

Because I'm not a religious man who doesn't go to church every Sunday or pray to mecca, does that make me a heathen/infedel worthy of killing or torturing?

No..I didnt say that at all, why are you saying this?

Sorry guys tried my best, thats exactly what my opinion is. And we all have one, you just have to live with that the whole world dosent run the way you want it to. (not talking to anyone in specific by the way)

[Fortune]

Originally Posted by -DarthMaul-

Yes thats exatly what im saying, self-criticise your-self first(not you, the pope or whatever other religious leader in the world needs to self criticise his own religion)

I don't believe I've ever heard a Muslim Leader (National or Religious) ever "self-criticise" Islam, why should the Pope be expected to do the same when he doesnt need to?

[-DarthMaul-]

Because these things HARDLY get through american media censorship. For Example, Muslims leaders have criticised OBL harshly. And in Al-Azhar even, the leaders have issued fatwas against terrorism etc. And as I said, our National leaders dont really count since, alot of them you guys might consider muslims, but they really are not...For example some people think saudi arabia is the cradle of islam, while they actually go around killing saudies who want democracy(Because Islamic countries are supposed to run under democracies)

I will try to find for you some instances where Muslim leaders self-criticised muslim terrorists/terrorism, etc.