These muslims are killing innocent people, because the Pope quoted a man who (basicly) accused them of doing the very thing for which they responded with.
It really goes to show that these people are simpletons who can not deal with problems via simple words, they can't "Deal with it" like Christians or any other religion can, as soon as they feel threatened they reach for they're guns, axes, explosives and anything else they can try and make the "enemy" stop talking about them in a honest light with.
Not to say all Muslims are evil, or anything like that, I know some Muslims, and they arent all going to shoot some nuns because Mr. Pope quoted some 14th Century Crusader, but for the love of God what is wrong with these people that do?
Where did their country go wrong, Americans don't do that, Brit's don't do that, Germans don't do that, are they raised to believe Violence solves all problems? are they that stupid?
As if there isnt enough violence Al Qaeda and the Mujahadeen Shura Council has declared Holy War on The Vatican, and Christianity in general.
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The Mujahedeen Shura Council, an umbrella organization of Sunni Arab extremist groups that includes al-Qaida in Iraq, issued a statement on a Web forum vowing to continue its holy war against the West.
The group said Muslims would be victorious and addressed the pope as "the worshipper of the cross" saying "you and the West are doomed as you can see from the defeat in Iraq,
Afghanistan,
Chechnya and elsewhere. ... We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose head tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion (to Islam) or (killed by) the sword."
And there you have it folks, that is why Muslims and Christians will never get along.
Well..this is not gonna end. Everyone needs to wake up an realise we are in a war. These so called radical muslims are growing within the Muslim population. It is not getting smaller. The faster we realise what is happening in this world and WAKE THE HELL UP...the better we will be prepared for this war that is right before us.
I find alot of thibgs here WAAAYY out of line..just to point a few things out. I dont agree with the somalies have killed the old lady. but I DO agree with the mass protesting, and to some extent riots..it falls under freedom of speech/expression.
Now, I also think the Pope needs to SEL-CRITICISE Christianity's own down faults before criticising other religions. If he were to view the worl back at the time of that emperor he quoted, he would see a very technologically advanced and peaceful nation to the east, while to the west amassive continent ruled by catholics persecuting non CATHOLICS, and despair, and VIOLENCE, and many other things.
Alot of you also claim that alot of christians that riot and what not ARE NOT CHRISTIANS..what the fuck, first you keep shoving down my throat that OBL is a muslim, and I cant say that he isnt, while you go around picking happy, tree hugging peaceful christians and call THEM christians..Why dont the KKK and other fundamentalists count as christians? Out of my own opinion I ironiclly agree with you that alot of christian extremists and terrorists arent true christians..why? because I myself am telling you that OBL and other muslim extremists and terrorists are not true muslims..now shut it about all the generalisations.
Alot of muslim scholars and leader have said "We do not agree with what the pope has said or that his supporters agree with him" The POPE and his SUPPORTERS. Because frankly christians and muslims live as brothers in the middle east. And Proof enough, alot of my father's family living in the same house hold as them, an dhaving many friends, and me myself having christian friends over there. Even some of egypt's top coptic leaders have condemned what the pope said and disagreed with him.
And about taking things out of context? Please tell me what he meant, becasue honestly I myself dont know what he meant, thats why when he said so, I just didnt think much of it, till I read about the protestings. You say we muslims take thigs out of context? look at athiests and catholics trying to "read" and "explain" the qu'ran when taking out parts of it that they like(to thier own agenda like, going to war, etc.) and leaving the many vast pages in the rest of the qu'ran about peace and democracy, and way of life.
ayotallah has said this is preaching for a holy war..http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5356820.stm just read it..and frankly he makes a good point(although I dont agree with the crusade crap..what are muslims over there supposed to think when the pictures of muhammed came out, followed by this statement? This is a VAST religion, and its on of the biggest in the world(prolly second biggest) and fastest growing...your supposed to bad mouth about this religion and not expect something in return? please..
edit: one more thing..stop acting like muslims are the only people in the world that have the feeling/dong of hate. Everyone is guily of it, christians and jws as mucha s muslims, Jews can hate Muslims as much as the opposite, and same goes for christians.
Read my whole post carefully, dont read one paragraph and come int a rageful come back without reading my own commenting.
Realise that the common population of muslims and christians get along very well, alot of this is politics by the big leaders. which in turn inflame the common man.
"I'm the 82nd Airborne. And this is as far as the bastards are going!"
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I find alot of thibgs here WAAAYY out of line..just to point a few things out. I dont agree with the somalies have killed the old lady.
Okay... I'd be surprised if you did.
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but I DO agree with the mass protesting, and to some extent riots..it falls under freedom of speech/expression.
No, riots just because the pope expressed free speech by quoting a verse hundreds of years old is just a useless waste of time, effort space and use.
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Now, I also think the Pope needs to SEL-CRITICISE Christianity's own down faults before criticising other religions.
That is optional, it just depends if he wants Christianity to come out honestly, or powerfully.
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If he were to view the world back at the time of that emperor he quoted, he would see a very technologically advanced and peaceful nation to the east, while to the west amassive continent ruled by catholics persecuting non CATHOLICS, and despair, and VIOLENCE, and many other things.
Were there really that many non-catholics in the west back then? other than that your post is true.
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Alot of you also claim that alot of christians that riot and what not ARE NOT CHRISTIANS..what the fuck,
No, Christians riot, but not over simple words as these people do.
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first you keep shoving down my throat that OBL is a muslim, and I cant say that he isnt,
Erm'kay.
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while you go around picking happy, tree hugging peaceful christians and call THEM christians..
So, right, when have Tree-hugging and Christians ever gone in the same sentance?
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Why dont the KKK and other fundamentalists count as christians?
To some extent, they do, Jesus died for them too, if they believe it, good for them.
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Out of my own opinion I ironiclly agree with you that alot of christian extremists and terrorists arent true christians..why? because I myself am telling you that OBL and other muslim extremists and terrorists are not true muslims..now shut it about all the generalisations.
Fair enough, any group of people has its misfits.
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Alot of muslim scholars and leaders have said "We do not agree with what the pope has said or that his supporters agree with him" The POPE and his SUPPORTERS. Because frankly christians and muslims live as brothers in the middle east. And Proof enough, alot of my father's family (is?) living in the same house hold as them, and having many friends, and me myself having christian friends over there. Even some of egypt's top coptic leaders have condemned what the pope said and disagreed with him.
Thats because all Christians aren't people who want to start wars with the misfits of other religions just because some guy in a white robe said so, we aren't stupid.
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And about taking things out of context? Please tell me what he meant, becasue honestly I myself dont know what he meant, thats why when he said so, I just didnt think much of it, till I read about the protestings.
Okay, let me sum it up for you, the Pope said "Muslims are evil, wrong, stupid, ugly, French and any other horrible thing I can think of".
Clear?
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You say we muslims take things out of context? look at athiests and catholics trying to "read" and "explain" the qu'ran when taking out parts of it that they like(to thier own agenda like, going to war, etc.) and leaving the many vast pages in the rest of the qu'ran about peace and democracy, and way of life.
True, and the sad part is Christians in the U.S. trust these people, and they go on thinking the Qu'ran is full of hatefull evil, and even worse is they will not believe me when I tell them otherwise, they keep thinking I'm trying to convert them or something silly like that.
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[the] Ayotallah has said this is preaching for a holy war..http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5356820.stm just read it..and frankly he makes a good point(although I dont agree with the crusade crap..what are muslims over there supposed to think when the pictures of muhammed came out,
They are supposed to ignore it like the other religions do when they get picked on.
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followed by this statement? This is a VAST religion, and its on of the biggest in the world(prolly second biggest)
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and fastest growing
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your supposed to bad mouth about this religion and not expect something in return? please..
I'm sorry, but who do you mean "Your", you talk about generalizations, we are not all the freaking Pope, we want to go off and live our lives, not start fights with Muslims just for the hell of it.
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edit: one more thing..stop acting like Muslims are the only people in the world that have the feeling/doing of hate. Everyone is guily of it, Christians and Jews as mucha s muslims, Jews can hate Muslims as much as the opposite, and same goes for Christians.
Perhaps, but only the misfits.
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Read my whole post carefully, dont read one paragraph and come int a rageful come back without reading my own commenting.
Realise that the common population of muslims and christians get along very well, alot of this is politics by the big leaders. which in turn inflame the common man.
I read it carefully, and quote individualy, and yes, I do realize Muslims and Christians get along well, its not like I watch Fox News 24/7 .
^One of the best replies :P its unbiased. Anyhow, by your, im speaking to the pope, not the rest of the christians.
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Okay, let me sum it up for you, the Pope said "Muslims are evil, wrong, stupid, ugly, French and any other horrible thing I can think of".
Clear?
But thats just it..its putting a bad message and view of christians abroad to the muslim world.
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I read it carefully, and quote individualy, and yes, I do realize Muslims and Christians get along well, its not like I watch Fox News 24/7 .
And thanks for that, it was just a message towards people who only pick out certain things from my post that they CAN rebuttle, and leave the rest of the stronger points.
"I'm the 82nd Airborne. And this is as far as the bastards are going!"
Oh good grief....Why are the Muslims act the very worst about being offended, acting indignant and demanding apologies over the slightest comment by the Pope. The actions that followed what the Pope said is exactly what the Pope said. Killing people, burning churches..etc. I can't understand it. Why are they demanding apologies for simply stating the truth about this Ji-had stuff?
It is a double standard. Above Darth talks about the freedom to riot, speach...etc, as long as it is not against Muslims. Most Western governments tend to tip-toe around the issue of this fundamentalist bullshit for obvious reasons. We really have to wake up here. It will only get worse.
I still dont see the point of why you dont want to get along with someone just becasue they dont want to take your bullshitting..Just plainly get along with the rest of the muslim populace, show respect by not offending, and ats ALL thats needed....Its not really a bad thing if they have one religion not to bad mouth about/make fun of/cartoons/whatevers, the whole world dosent live under western rules/politics.
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Why are they demanding apologies for simply stating the truth about this Ji-had stuff?
Because as it shows you know nothing. It isnt about jihad "stuff" its about him saying that Islam nd Mouhamaed were/are evil that gave nothing to the world. While he didnt self-criticise christianity at the same time..and as I sai dlook at both cultures/religion atthe time period of that quote..that is self-explanitory of why it inflames many. you have NO Idea of what Jihad even means do you.
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Killing people, burning churches..etc. I can't understand it.
Killing people? Burning churches? :S Everyone kills, all people(regardless of religions kill) But how about christian africans burning mosques or going around in mobs beating up muslims, etc? Yes muslims attack them back probably just as harshly, but still just shows that others do it as well..Nigeria anyone.
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Most Western governments tend to tip-toe around the issue of this fundamentalist bullshit for obvious reasons. We really have to wake up here. It will only get worse.
LOL, Even us arab muslims in the middle east are fighting fundamentalism in our own countries. And its the common man that is doing it too, because Ironically alot of governments over there are the bitches of the west, and persecute muslims.(For example muslim brotherhood in egypt, or Muslim Democratic Revolutionists in Saudi arabia)
Sure you can "Tip-Toe" around fundamentalism..Just forget the christian and jewish extremists and lets focus on the muslims..because only persecuting muslim extremism will put the world at peace..(although all 3 need to be persecuted at once, because one wont calm down while the other rages thats just plain fact)
Besides, I wonder if Anti-Semitism laws in Europe and the USA were retracted how much jews would care if people start posting shit about jews too.
"I'm the 82nd Airborne. And this is as far as the bastards are going!"
1. In this world, there is a thing known as freedom of speech, just because muslims don't like something, doesn't mean the world has to walk on glass because of it, banning free speech against the muslim world lest it piss off the wrong people. The muslim world cannot be allowed to control the rest of the world in this way, and it won't, if anything things like this will simply drive people further to badmouth Islam.
2. He was quoting a 14th century Pope, and it seems to well reflect the extremists nations and how they have twisted Muhammed's word. And no matter what is said, it does not excuse the burning of churches, which is the destruction of property, mass rioting, violence against civilians... or anyone for that matter. It's just something someone said, it's just something someone wrote, if you cannot deal with that, then that is your problem, not ours. No one has stripped you of your religon, no one has attacked you, someone said something about that religon, and to prove him wrong, the masses of the middle east rise up in arms and riot through the streets. Two terrorist groups have declared holy wars and a nun has been shot along with her body guard.
3. Everyone kills? I haven't killed, I know alot of people who haven't killed anybody lately, and I don't really know anybody I think would kill over something this stupid, and the thing is, over in the middle east, unlike here, they get away with it, no... wait, it's not even that, they get crowds praising them and parading through the streets with the governments full approval. When murder, and that is just what this, as well as several prior incidents (see the raped Iranian girls, the seven Saudi girls killed for not having head scarfs, the slow painful deaths of starvation given to those who steal in Saudi Arabia the various other incidents) are, murders of innocents, is allowed... no, endorsed to go on, by the state and by the people there is a problem, infact, it's not just a problem it's an attrocity; an attrocity that people have used Islam to comit and thus have defiled it, using Muhammed's teachings to cause violence.
4. This isn't a culture, this isn't a civilization, this is a madhouse where the maddest is king and blood is used to mop the floors. You are blinded by the blood that you've covered your eyes with, the anger that fills your soul, you have been misguided and manipulated.
5. Anti-Semitism Laws? Contrary to the beleif of the stupid and ignorant, you don't get locked up for making fun of the Jewish, infact they are made fun of quite alot, and often by them selves, because they can laugh at themselves, a quality that would better the middle east's muslims. They are stereotyped, they are mocked, and they can keep on going without killing anybody.
6. Don't bring up the crusaders, the muslims were the better people then, however now, the middle east is still where it was then if not far behind, just with cars, guns, and bombs and seeving hatred in every nook and corner. The world of the extremists is still in the dark ages while the rest of the world has gotten past the rediculums of that era.
Sure you can "Tip-Toe" around fundamentalism..Just forget the christian and jewish extremists and lets focus on the muslims..because only persecuting muslim extremism will put the world at peace..(although all 3 need to be persecuted at once, because one wont calm down while the other rages thats just plain fact)
Besides, I wonder if Anti-Semitism laws in Europe and the USA were retracted how much jews would care if people start posting shit about jews too.
The only reason the world cares about the Middle East is because terrorism from those parts tend to bring about a bunch more desturction than say.. Terrorism from the National Animal Liberation Front.
If 9/11 and a couple other "booms" hadnt happend, we would probably be focusing on some other "enemy" right now, to keep Americans occupied.
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