fighting terrorism or Witch-hunts in mid air?

[Admiral Donutz]

Originally Posted by Emir Al-Aziz

I picked this site because it summarized all the incidents nicely.

racial profiling is okay IMO but harming and terrorizing innocent people is not.In fact this will lead to disintegration of western societies .
you can't go to someone ,beat him up,treat him like a dog and then tell him to respect you and to accept your values.
bash me for opening this thread.I don't care.I just to know you from you people whether such methods should be continued or countries of western authorities should come up with news methods of preventing terrorism.
as I type Danish authorities have arrested 9 people for alleged plans to commit terrorism.

BTW,what happened to those Canadian terrorist suspects?sent to jail ?

Agreed, Profiling to make it easier to find and watch potential terrorists is all good. However scaring the public and generalisation taking place without any people saying that is bad is not good. Some people are way too scared these days. Just because somebody acts different and is has an asian/arab look doesn't mean he or she is a terrorist. I find most of the incidents pretty hilarious and sad that involve people panicing over pretty much nothing.

Keeping your guard up is one thing, but overreacting and acting upon anyting that isn't "common" us just as bad. It creates a state of constant fear and danger and that is just ad bad if not worse. A state of constant fear is a victory to the terrorists.

[Buddy Jesus]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

UN Declaration of human rights:
Article 5.

• No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6.

• Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.

• All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8.

• Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9.

• No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10.

• Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11.

• (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
  (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12.

• No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Well to bad the U.N. are a bunch of worthless diplomats who write documents such as this with no plan on enforcing them, i. e. Sudan, Iraq, North Korea, lest we forget dissarming Hezbollah.

I'm curious (and for some reason people never answer me) as to why you people don't apply the same standards to suspected rapists and murderers. 11 000 people are killed in the US alone from guns alone.

I'm also am curious. Why was there so much clamor over 2600 U.S. soldiers dead in Iraq over 3 years with statistics like this...

[Joe Bonham]

I really don't see any evidence of this "conspiracy". Seems us white guys get picked out as potential "terrorists" than anyone else.

[Crazy Wolf]

Well, it probably helps the public image of the TSA if the random searches have it not appear as though they are searching more Arabs or Muslims than what might be considered proper. So, they might search 5 Arabs or Muslims, then search 95 others, in order to make it appear like they are not singling out any religious or ethnic group.

[Joe Bonham]

Originally Posted by Crazy Wolf

Well, it probably helps the public image of the TSA if the random searches have it not appear as though they are searching more Arabs or Muslims than what might be considered proper. So, they might search 5 Arabs or Muslims, then search 95 others, in order to make it appear like they are not singling out any religious or ethnic group.

So basically, for every one Muslim/Arab with a complaint about security, there are a hundred, or a thousand, other people with a similar complaint.

So where exactly is this "racism" we seem to be talking about here? Because I sure as heck don't see any.

[GuineaPig]

Originally Posted by Jill

True..but it seems so far that every terrorist that is targeting civilians are Muslim and Arab.

Terrorists target civilians. It's the ideal way to create fear, which is the only useful weapon "terrorists have".

The IRA targets civilians
The Tamil Tigers targets civilians
The FLQ targets civilians
The Ulster Loyalists targets civilians

The list goes on...

And then there are Christian terrorist organizations that target civilians, like The Army of God, God's Army, the KKK, Lord's Resistance Army (recently disbanded, but killed 12,000 + civilians and forced 2 million from their homes. These guys are much more effective than Al Quaeda!), and more.

It's pure ignorance that people think the only "terrorists" are Muslim.
In this way, some groups are mislabeled terrorists (such as Hezbollah).

And Buddy Jesus, think not 2,600 U.S. deaths, but the 40,000+ Iraqis. And, does that mean you're saying that we should combat crime in the U.S., or that the Iraq war is actually no big deal?

[Crazy Wolf]

Uh, Hezbollah is called a terrorist group because it targets civilian centers. Even if it did not start out with that goal, using that method would make it a terrorist group, by your definition.

[-DarthMaul-]

You all dont know this but this actually creates alot of hate in turn from the targeting of innocent muslims or arabs randobly at air ports..What do you think these arabs and muslims do when this happens to them and they get back home? Thier family calls up, why are you late? They held me up on suspicion..its because I am Arab or Muslim. Family gets a little pissed and calls the rest of the family back at arabia, then they all hear about how racist they are in the west, and how they hold up people on basis of religion or ethnicity. Then people get angrier and UNDERSTAND why people hate the west..

Your little racial profiling is gonna actually hurt you over time trust me. I can understand your fears. But the rest of arabs and muslims cant really do jack-shit about it. We have our own problems. Alot of us want a Democracy, and alot of us live in constant poverty(Well not all) and hostility, and racial profiling from our own governments(atleast the muslims in egypt that want a democracy) We want to get rid of our dictatorial leaders..And ironically we want to do it ourselves without outside help. when we stabelise our region, I trust "Islamic"(or muslim wanna bes) terrorism will decline sharply, because even we wont sit for it.

[Commissar MercZ]

It's unfair imo, but if they want to do it, they can do it. Unfortunately, for everytime I go to the airport, we're usually pulled to the side due to my father's name or our country of origin, being Iraq on his American passport. But I've got nothing to hide, honestly. It's a nuiscance, but there's really nothing we can do. Every country needs some minority to blame their problems on. Blacks, Mexicans, European Immigrants to America, Jews, Slavs. Muslims have been chosen for most of the West now. I mean, most of the Terrorists are usually from the Arabs from the Arabian peninsula, and you can tell when they're going to do something big.

Middle-Easterners really, in all honestly, want to have a better life. They wouldn't mind westernization, it's just that the numerous Sheiks, Amirs, mullahs, and royalty do not want to give up the power they have, and make sure that much of their people will never get an opportunity at education.

There is no real democracy in the Middle-East. The Turks say they have a "Democratic" nation, but it is usually under the influence of the Military and anti-minority sentinments. Most of the Middle-East are just people trying to find a way to get better. Turks are trying to modernize their economy, Iranians were doing the same until the Revolution, some nations in the Arabian Peninsula, and maybe Egypt to an extent. Kurds in Northern Iraq (Far more stable than the rest of the region) have been building up their infrastructure, and have created a nice little economy. They have offices in Qatar now, and contractors are looking for ways to take their projects there.

But in all fairness, I've seen a couple of regular people get pulled over for checks. It's not too intrusive, they mainly throw the bags through a scanner, and I'm usually out by 5 minutes or so. They're usually pretty nice to us; they don't give us bad glares or glances. I just feel it's unfair fo r some ignorant people to justify scanning people of "questionable" origin due to those nutty mullahs and extremists they dig up on the media.

[Joe Bonham]

It's pure ignorance that people think the only "terrorists" are Muslim.

The only terrorists who threaten US are Muslim. I doubt the LRA is planning to take out New York.

In this way, some groups are mislabeled terrorists (such as Hezbollah).

Well let's put it this way: They're not G.I. Joe!