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Joe Bonham July 23rd, 2006 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Young_Pioneer
Nevertheless, it takes away freedom from the charity groups - and the people who would benefit from them. Of course, this is an evil law and another step to tyranny.

Parks are public land. The officials hold the responsibility of making decisions about it. Also note that there are lots of people living near these places. I don't have the statistics, but I'll bet they were less than thrilled about having all those hobos wandering about 12 feet away from their houses.

An owner has every right to make decisions about his land. I doubt you would be very happy if a charity set up a trailer in YOUR front yard.

If the voters disagree with the decision, they can vote for someone else come next election.

Young_Pioneer July 23rd, 2006 09:05 PM

Re: Las Vegas bans feeding homeless in parks
 
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Originally Posted by Machiavelli's Apprentice
An owner has every right to make decisions about his land. I doubt you would be very happy if a charity set up a trailer in YOUR front yard.

As said before, it is PUBLIC ground for a reason. Every citizen (even the underprivileged ones) should be allowed to be there. Otherwise it were not public. Forcing them away by removing the charity groups is evil.

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If the voters disagree with the decision, they can vote for someone else come next election.

The tyranny of the majority. The rich majority votes away the freedom of the poor citizens. Rich "mob" rule ;).

IR15H July 24th, 2006 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli's Apprentice
Its not Disney World. People live there you know.

I know people live there, what was being said by some is that it would affect tourism, something not stated within the article.

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A moot point. If I set up a stand offering free hundred dollar bills, I would get lots of "support" too. People love getting free stuff, but that doesn't mean its beneficial to the neighborhood.
I did not use "support" in terms of popularity amoungst homeless people but in terms of help from shelters, I thought that was clear, I guess not. Your actions would be entirely legal, as would a gathering of people coming to recieve the free money. If some were to spend that money to buy drugs (although in the case of food there is little you could do but eat it) it is not your fault, nor is it the fault of the others who use the money for beneficial purposes. Those that buy the drugs should be punished, not you and everyone else benefiting from your actions. Simply banning everything would not address the problem of drug use properly, nor does this law address homelessness properly. Some do wrong, so punish everyone.

AzH July 24th, 2006 05:26 AM

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They should be rounded up and taken to research facilities to be experiemented on. They serve no other purpose to society so we might as well treat them like the vermin they are.

Young_Pioneer July 24th, 2006 05:49 AM

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Do you really think the world would be better with more Josef Mengeles who experiment with the "vermin" of the society?
I hope you didn't mean this seriously.


colonel_bob July 24th, 2006 07:37 AM

Re: Las Vegas bans feeding homeless in parks
 
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Originally Posted by Young_Pioneer
The tyranny of the majority. The rich majority votes away the freedom of the poor citizens. Rich "mob" rule ;).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought something like 70% of the US's wealth is held by 20% of the population. Hardly a majority there.

Joe Bonham July 24th, 2006 08:52 AM

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I did not use "support" in terms of popularity amoungst homeless people but in terms of help from shelters, I thought that was clear, I guess not. Your actions would be entirely legal, as would a gathering of people coming to recieve the free money. If some were to spend that money to buy drugs (although in the case of food there is little you could do but eat it) it is not your fault, nor is it the fault of the others who use the money for beneficial purposes. Those that buy the drugs should be punished, not you and everyone else benefiting from your actions. Simply banning everything would not address the problem of drug use properly, nor does this law address homelessness properly. Some do wrong, so punish everyone.
You assume that "everyone" is being punished. So the people who live near the parks, and use the parks, are irrelevant? I doubt this law would have happened without local complaints about the bums.

I'm glad that they actually got a say in the matter. In my city, and insane asylum was put into a neighborhood, despite huge protests from the people living there.

Young_Pioneer July 24th, 2006 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by colonel_bob
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought something like 70% of the US's wealth is held by 20% of the population. Hardly a majority there.

I doubt that the majority of Las Vegas politicians belongs to the lower classes.
Obviously these rich corrupt politicians hate the lower classes.


AzH July 24th, 2006 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Young_Pioneer
I hope you didn't mean this seriously.

No, I wasn't being serious, but at the same time I don't think that charity is the way forward. Like the US, and like all other developed countries, homelessness is a plagued which blights society. These people need to be properaly assessed and if they are capable of work; put to work. I'm sick of having my taxes pay for a bunch of lazy, anti-social misfits. Get jobs!

Joe Bonham July 24th, 2006 11:22 AM

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They won't get jobs as long as they are getting free food, shelter, and money.


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