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I wasn't accusing your parents of taking welfare money, apologies if you percieved it in that way. You said "They won't get jobs as long as they are getting free food, shelter, and money.", I then asked if this was reason enough to stay homeless why does anyone work, why do your parents work, if all this free stuff is avaliable?

My parents work because living on the doll, or worse, being homeless, is shit, it's not a life many people would chose if they could do better (yes, I'm sure there are some that like living on the doll). However, the majority of people seek employment, even though there is a safety net of welfare to fall back on. The actual use of parents was largely irrelevant, it was just used to provide an example.

Soup kitchens are not the best method of helping the homeless in my opinion, but they are a help. This was a charity setting up these kitchens and now it is a bit like "don't feed the pigeons" sign, treating the homeless like vermin. None of the homeless people are been allowed to be given food in parks, regardless of if they have done anything wrong or not. These homeless people, as many have said, often suffer from alcohol/drug/metal problems and so it is very hard to get back into a normal life without some form of help. Building more shelters and support centres would help address the problem properly, trying to starve them won't.

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I hate that the government wants to get rid of anything that helps the homeless. The worst thing is, it's probably just to make it look like a more tourist-friendly place. As if they really need more money in Vegas. It's just ridiculous.

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So a rich mans space in the park and the rich fucks money is now officially more important than a poor mans food?
Welcome to the Middle ages.

Don't judge homeless people for being homeless, I can't believe the irony sitting listening to some rich middle class kids with flash computers under their paresnts roof talking about how it is peoples own fault that they are homeless.
Especially Pethegreat when he has talked about how he will leech off his parents aslong as he doesn't get a bike or an airgun.
So Pethegreat, say Mummy didn't give a shit about you, neither did Daddy, say tons of problems got in the way of education and you had no qualifications. It wouldn't really matter though, because apparently it's still fine for me to turf you out of my prescence because it was all your fault that you were doomed from the start.

Why don't some of you go out tonight and sit with a homeless person, listen to a story, you'll probably be in tears by the end.

I'd much rather spend my time in a park crowded with homeless people, than several stuck-up, ignorant, rich pigs.

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No one here is suggesting we shouldn't help the poor; but this is not the way to do it. As I said: "get them into a shelter, get them some clean clothes, and get them a job." Handing out free soup creates vultures. It isn't helping them, one bit.

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As I said, Why don't you go and listen to one of their stories.
Then you might have a better understanding why it doesn't quite work out that easily.
Have you ever considered people have serious problems getting in the way of them working? Obviously the kind of problems you couldn't begin to comprehend if you expect all homeless people to happily share a shithole with a load of other screwed up homeless people and get a minimum wage job (which in America is not enough to eat properly even if you work maximum hours)
Like most homeless people, I'd rather be on the streets than in one of those dodgey, horrible shelters.

And unless I'm mistaken most charities aren't funded by the tax payer, so the soup is not free, it is from charity;
I.E - you aren't paying for it so stop complaining.

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How would you know? That's a myth, sir. I work a minimum wage job, as does my mother. She supports a family of four on minimum wage, without government assistance.
Then live on the street and don't complain. If you don't like you're living conditions, and you're not satisfied with what you're offered, then tough shit. Beggars cannot be choosers, as Pethegreat said.

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I don't know what you're quoting my location for, if you're pointing out I don't live in America, well I know because of a documentary by Morgan Spurlock.

No one ever complained, what are you on about? Look at what you just said, one paragraph of uselessness.
People opposing you in this debate are complaining about Soup charity things being banned, not complaining about shelters. I shunned shetlers because you mentioned them to counter handing out free soup.

Now are you going to tell me that you're saying if people don't want to live in shelters (quite rightly like alot of people would not want to) they should be denied free soup?
And just for the sake of more space for the wealthy in the park?
Or are you going to say it's to encourage people to join shelters? Ya! brilliant idea! People don't know how to live so we will show them how! The Goverment will tell us how to live!

What's that old boy? You've decided you're going to take food from you're friends instead of joining the local shetler? Oh sorry but we don't think that's for the best of you or us, so we're not going to let you're friends give you food anymore, we're just going to indirectly force you into doing it out way! Because we have our own better way!

Great! People don't need to choose how they want to live anymore because the goverment has a better way for everything! We can just let them show us how to live. Let us allow the goverment to take away our computers because they might have a better idea for what we should do with our spare time.

Homeless or not you are part of the public and parks are for the public, as many homeless people whenever they like can be in the park at once.

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Why isn't everybody addicted to drugs? Why doesn't everybody smoke tobacco? Why doesn't everybody shoplift.


All of these habits and behaviors have the same answer - its a lot easier to avoid a bad habit than it is to quit once you've started.

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A bad habbit, something to be avoided you say, so why then would anyone want to be homeless?

"Why should you [work], when the government is more than willing to pick up the tab for you?"

It can not be both a desirable position to be in and something to be avoided. Given the fact you ignored most of my post this is going off at a tangent about how and why people become homeless rather than the debate on whether banning soup kitchens is the right thing to do or not.

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If you don't pay taxes you don't contribute to society, if you don't contribute to society you don't deserve a cut of the things that belong to society. Non-producers have no right even be in the parks in the first place.
Now I've heard sob stories enough and I've heard stories of people who made something of themselves and people who just let it slide, I've heard stories of ex sergeants who live on the streets and could make something of themselves again just by walking into a recruiting office. And you know what? I don't give a fuck. These people could have made something of themselves, others did under similar conditions.
Bottom line, they don't want to work hard to make something of themselves, aren't prepared to make the sacrifices required. So to hell with them, I sure as heck ain't dragging their carcass.

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You want to ban children from parks too?

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Children are the next generation of workers. Without children, society would be irrelevant. In a few years, those children will be working productive jobs. But those druggies will still be lounging on park benches.

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You know for a fact these homeless people will never get jobs again? You know those children will not go into drugs or other crime? Still, if we assume this, it is a charity setting up these soup kitchens.

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The child's parents pay for the child's privilege to be in the park as part of their taxes most of the time. But even for those who are not the child is generally granted a few years worth of such privelidges 'on credit' so to speak set off against the likelyhood of their future contributions before they come of age and can get a job.

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How many years credit is deemed appropriate? Does it change if you get a higher earning job (hence paying more taxes)? What if the homless people had been working for 30 or 40 years before coming homeless? How is such an idea enforced?

I suspect enfocrement of such an idea would cost a great deal more of taxpayers money then the damage a homeless person does to a bench by sitting on it. If it does then it would seem a bit like cutting your nose off to spite your face. I don't like homeless people wasting my money by getting into public parks free, so I'll spend ten times as much ensuring they don't.

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People don't realize that more then half the homeless people on the street have mental or severe physical problems. I know it seems look a good answer "GO GET A JOB, GO TO A GOVERNMENT JOB PLACE, GET WELFARE!" etc etc, but it doesn't work for people with scysophrenia or other mental diseases. They don't know they need help, or they don't want it.

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Until you can get a job at which point you either start paying taxes and contributing or you're out on your arse. Taxes are like a membership fee for society, when you don't or can't pay them anything society provides you with is a gift rather than a right.
You missunderstand me in the belief that I suggest we track these people down and throw them out. I simply point out that they have no right to be there, I do not suggest that we spend masses of money removing them. If they are removed from somewhere they have no right to be in the first place then I can hardly be expected to shed any tears over it.

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I wouldn't say disorders - I would say just plain and simple lower intelligence. I mean, what kind of idiot would think he could hold up a bank, with cameras, security, and police, and get away with it.


Its just a mathematical fact that a prison has a much lower average IQ than normal society. Same goes for the homeless.

But it also has to do with ethics and personality. Any idiot could get a job at Burger King or digging ditches. They simply don't want to work.

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Nem: Ah OK, I still disagree with you however, given the fact the land is public, meaning no individual owns it. A tax payer may pay to maintain the park, but they do not hold the authority as to who can or can't use it (assuming they are not commiting crimes), in my opinion.

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Actually the land is owned by the local authority in that particular area who do have the authority to say who can and can't use it. Trully 'public' land doesn't really exist anymore, most of it's state land.

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A homeless person has no private place of residence, so legally we can kick all of them out of this country, regardless of whether they have broken any laws or not? If so, which I doubt, then I would consider it an abuse of power, punishing those who have commited no crimes, done nothing wrong.

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No, this PARK.

And don't tell me that they would have to leave the country. If we somehow found a way to keep them from sleeping under bridges (Which I doubt) - they would all start renting cheap apartments.

Most, perhaps all of them have the money to do that - they just don't need to, because there's still lots of unguarded park benches.

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If you're on the land of a club to which you do not belong they are perfectly entitled to kick you out. You might not have done anything wrong but at the same time you don't have a right to be there.
Punishing those who've done no wrong. Pft, they aren't contributing and as such are parasites which are inherently harmful to the host organism, of course they've done something wrong.
The problem would be solved much more quickly if we warned them they had a week to find a job then at the end of that week put the ones without a job on a cruise ship took them out to the middle of the Atlantic and threw them all overboard.

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MA: I see you missed the point, if you have the right to kick someone, who has commited no crime, off public land then why not the entire country?

Nem: People who are on pensions do not contribue to society, at least not in a monetary way, they worked before you will say, but so will have some homeless people. The homeless were recieving food from a charity, and so a parasite is the wrong term to use in my opinion. If it were a government run scheme I would still disagree with the stopping of the soup kitchen (unless the money was transfered to another scheme) but it would be within their rights. Making it illegal to give out free food seems a bit wrong to me, it also doesn't stop the homeless problem. Furthermore, not all homeless peolpe are capable of working, no more than someone in a wheelchair is capable of running the 100m sprint.

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I don't approve of a state pension.
Our overly compassionate take on pensions is the reason that it's falling through the floor, it's just not economically viable for the government to use the current generation to support the previous one through their old age. These people are parasites, don't get me wrong I know a lot of old people and I like most of them but that's what they are regardless of their character. Now obviously we still have to support them because it wasn't made clear to them years ago that they should look to their own pensions, we've made that bed and now have to lie in it. But in 70 years when our generation comes to a pensionable age that excuse won't hold water anymore, we know that a state pension probably won't be around for us so if we haven't put anything aside against that then that's the end of it.

If you can't pay your taxes then you've no place in society, we have to tolerate the current cluster-fucked situation of the pension system because years ago we made the wrong choice and now have to put up with it for a few years until we can do away with it.
In all fairness and without the concepts of honour or fair deals we should just turf them out but there was an understanding that they'd be provided for in their old age if they payed their taxes and they now continue to pay their taxes out of that which they are provided with so we can't do that, they're still contributing members of society.

The homeless however are under no such protection.

Now as far as I'm aware no-one's making it illegal to give out free food, they're just saying do it somewhere else.
Some people may be incapable of working, but what of it? If someone wants to drag them around and provide for them then that's fair enough but I don't see that I'm under any obligation to support them.

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Alrighty then, this debate has been rather more prolonged that I thought it would be. MA, I retract my previous statement directed at you and ask you to ignore it please. I stand by my original view and you two yours, agree to disagree :) or this will never end :(.

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That depends on if you have ever been in the situation of having to wonder where your next meal would be coming from.

Have you ever sat at home at night thinking of a way to get enough money to buy enough food to feed yourself for one more meal?

If you have been in that situation I think you would be less judgemental on the homeless and people feeding them.