US Marines allegedly massacre Iraqi civilians

[USMA2010]

Originally Posted by Master of Reality

Well, I have allegedly in the title to keep pro-war supporters quiet. Since it was indeed reported by the army back in November, why did they say that it was caused by Iraqi rebels? And either way, there's that marine that is back in the US who had to clean up the bodies, as well as the children who survived it. What more evidence is needed to prove it?

Nobody here is pro-war. If you have a soul, then you can not be a supporter of the act of war in general.

No, it was not reported by the Army. Marines are being accused, so the Department of the Navy would handle this, not the Department of the Army.

They say the incident was caused by rebels because when you put a bunch of young men in a warzone, then have them watch their friends being sniped and blown up on a regular basis, a few of them are going to go nuts and wind up on a spree of vigilante mayhem. That is why you can easily say this was caused by insurgents.

Trial by court martial for each Marine accused, perhaps?

Decebalus, that's definatly one of the better posts I've seen you make around here, ever. Hopefully this indicates an upward swing, ala Jeffro?

Originally Posted by Jeffro

To quote that shitty song made by James Blunt:

"You're beautiful it's true" Lynndie's an angel!







I want to be her bitch fo sho!!

Honestly, I look at those pictures and I can't see that as torture. Fucked up to the nth degree, yes. But it still comes off as something a bunch of frat boys would do to pledges. At least that's how it rubs me, no innuendo intended.

[WarHawk109]

Anyway, it doesn't matter much, the death count from the US occupation per month is no where near what it was under saddam.

[Dursk]

I love these comparable morals...

I guess as long as things don't go TOO FAR...it's okay to kill civilians.

Czech Special Forces...that was perhaps the most intelligent post I've heard in a while.

So much for the Good Guys.

[USMA2010]

So because one small group fucks up majorly, all of the sudden the real morality of tens of thousands of troops are dragged down. Sorry, I fail to see how this thusfar isolated incident is in any way shape or form representative of the US Armed Forces as a whole.

[EON_MagicMan]

To the people putting something along the line of 'Only a soldier can judge a soldier/you don't know what they've been through', etc

You hear that a lot when this sort of thing happens (and we heard it when those British soldiers were filmed beating those teenagers), but regardless, you have to think of the victims.

Sure, a lot of pedophiles are only pedophiles as a result of being molested when they were a kid, but you still have to judge them to the full extent of the law, because there's still a victim.

You can only hope that it's quite an isolated incident, and that this sort of thing doesn't happen often.

In defense of the Coalition war effort however, I don't believe this sort of care has ever been cautioned to watch for civilian casualties, considering the phantom threats they're facing that could show up anywhere, anytime. Anybody, any car, could be a suicide bomb. Because we're now so sensitized to war, and casualties (and I believe that's a good thing, too), we're now taking more precautions than ever to watch for civilian casualties, considering it's an occupation force that has to deal with anything that could be a threat.

Still, when you hear of incidents like this and see the footage of those beatings, it makes you wonder if the people higher up are running tight enough of a ship to really make sure this doesn't happen, and make sure people are properly trained and informed, because incidents like this only hurt the war effort and cost more people their lives (and shame on whoever blames the media-- that's like blaming the witness for getting you the death penalty, when YOU'RE the murderer).

Originally Posted by USMA

Honestly, I look at those pictures and I can't see that as torture. Fucked up to the nth degree, yes. But it still comes off as something a bunch of frat boys would do to pledges. At least that's how it rubs me, no innuendo intended.

Hmmmn, hows this one do it for you?

This guy was killed in a Palestinean Hanging.

Either way, whether it looks like torture or not, these guys come from a pretty conservative culture, that doesn't exactly have an accepting stance on sexuality or homosexuality, so you have to think, when they're being put into pyramids or whatever, it's got to be pretty rough, especially if you're innocent.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...raq.prisoners/

This doesn't make it look too good either, after the photos were released.

[Crazy Wolf]

I have made a previous post in here, which sums up my opinion of this event, but I have one thing to mention, to those like Warhawk109: Just because something isn't as bad as it could be doesn't make it good.

If those killed by the Marines were civilians, then the Marines should be courtmartialed, and if found guilty, then sentenced to a proper time and dishonourably discharged.

Not only is this bad, but as Marines, they should have realized that they represent the entire Men's Department of the Navy, and behave as such. Of course, if they did this, then the people killed could have been insurgents.

[WarHawk109]

what? i just was pointing out that things are much better than they were under saddam.

[Crazy Wolf]

Well, they are, but they still aren't all sunshine and flowers.

[czech speacial forces]

i sometimes have second thoughts if iraq is really better off without saddam. yes he was crazy and killed people and invaded others but he kept the country under control. what do you guys think.

[Crazy Wolf]

I think that it is less stable, but the people are off better.