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I have come to the same conclusion. I will have no input on any subjects for a tenday, but I don't think my absence would tip the scales in favor of J&E...

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Those images are real, sure. But who's to say how big the creature was? Did anyone here see it? Nope. Besides, even if there is a large squid, that hardly counts as a giant squid as portrayed by science.

My evidence for werewolves is provided. People encounter strange creatures in the woods, and for as long as history has been recorded, there have been stories about them.

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Dead giant squids wash up on the shores of NZ quite often. I've seen one, not on the shore though, and it was very dead, as scientists are always very interested in them. I didn't touch it, but you can't replicate that smell. Oh God no.

Around Kaikoura (not far north of where I live) there have been several expeditions off the coast looking for them. However, aside from the dead ones on the shore, sperm whales have also been sighted with large wounds from tentacles. A scientist here is actually trying to raise some in captivity, he's been doing tests to prepare for it for several years.

Jeff, you provided a photo that showed (to me) absolutly nothing. And a drawing, which quite frankly anyone could have done. I can draw a dragon, and photograh a tree at night, but that's not proof that dragons exist. I know that my testimonial on giant squid may not be accepted by you, and that's fine, but there is a myraid of other eivdence; clear movies and photos, and plenty studied specimins.

On werewolves, the imagination is an amazing thing.

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That "you didnt see it, so how do you know" might work in Jr. High, but this is the real world. It’s obvious that you are sacrificing truth to your vanity, and comfort.

I care not; to waste any more time on this, or you.

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You just don't get it do you?

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Im sure seeing a large squid was pretty breathtaking, it likely shocked you and at the same time left you in awe. That was how my brother eddie felt after his encounter in tennessee.

But, I find it ironic that the people who claim to not care in this thread have spent their time telling me so. And the reason being is that I believe they are actually having to think about the taboo, about the unknowns of our world. Its understandable to me that they may be frightened at something we dont understand, my thread's purpose was to see if anyone else had had similar experiences, and how it impacted them personally.

So far, even though yours if off mark, its the closest to home yet. :)

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If you don't understand what I was saying, at least don't telegraph it to everyone.:rolleyes:

Oops, Nusent beat me to it...

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Had it been in the wild, maybe. In an aquarium? Amazing yes, but not really shocking.

And you've missed my point, to the point where it seems like you think I support your werewolf idea, which I do not.

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... well J&E, you have convinced me. Now I must return to my amazing flying jelly castle in the sky where I reign over the weeble people with a sock of iron and eat my fabulous dinner of electricty a la carte. Me and God are playing poker tonight to.

I've had enough of this now.....

*shoots thread wwith silver bullet* DIE THREAD DIE!!!

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I don't see anything in that picture.

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Reading this thread title, I was expecting an intelligent discussion, maybe including bullets about psychological conditions as split personalities, physical anomolies such as porphyria (a genetic disorder which causes yellowed, hairy skin, and an 'allergy' to light), or suborders of mental therianthropy (the sudden 'switch' of the mind to more primitive thinking, like a prolonged spike of survival instinct one might get by fighting. It's the 'survival' gear of the primitive human, but stuck so that they cannot change back to the modern, rational mindset.) Suffice to say I was dissappointed.
Jeff & Eddie, casting aside for the moment that that is a picture of nothing, and a drawing of a monster by a child (you want to see some pictures of dragons I drew as a child? You can, but that doesn't mean dragons exist, no matter how strongly I was convinced they did). You're basing your explanation of why werewolves have not been caught on folklore. Where do you get the idea that a dead werewolf turns back into a human? Folklore.
You have a trend of doing this: ratifying one item with itself. You can't support the Bible by holding up the Bible as evidence. You can't support folklore by using folklore as evidence. It just does not work.

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i want to see his proof of time travelling illuminati :)

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What, you can't just believe in them because he says so?

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1. There are no vampires.
2. There are no werewolves.
3. The 'illuminati' that you speak of does not exist. Apparently, there was a group of atheists 500 years ago calling themselves the illuminati - they were all burned at the stake. I suppose that the Church were the "monsters". Other organisations often called themselves the illuminati, or were called or suspected to be illuminati, so there really is very little concrete definition.
4. How can you instantly believe a blurry photograph that shows nothing and yet refuse evolution despite being given evidence after evidence (se 'missing link found forum')
5. You say about some werewolves being spotted, with no references.
6. Everything I could find about the Illuminati (including Encyclopaedia Brittanica) says nothing about them that involves drinking blood. I have a feeling that this could have something with the Church propaganda at the time - an attempt to demonise all other religions and kill their members. What I found about the illuminati was this:


"In the 1790s more radical secret societies emerged, modeled after the Illuminati (“Enlightened Ones”) founded in Bavaria by Adam Weishaupt, a professor of canon law, which promoted free thought and democratic political theories." - Encyclopedia Britannica
"Italian Illuminato, plural Illuminati, a follower of a mystical movement in Spain during the 16th and 17th centuries. Its adherents claimed that the human soul, having attained a certain degree of perfection, was permitted a vision of the divine and entered into direct communication with the Holy Spirit. From this state the soul could neither advance nor retrogress. Consequently, participation in the liturgy, good works, and observance of the exterior forms of religious life were unnecessary for those who had received the “light.” The Alumbrados came primarily from among the reformed Franciscans and the Jesuits, but their doctrines seem to have influenced all classes of people. The extravagant claims made for their visions and revelations caused them to be relentlessly persecuted. The Inquisition issued edicts against them on three occasions (1568, 1574, and 1623)." - Encyclopaedia Britannica.


"An enthusiastic philanthropist." - Thomas Jefferson on the founder of the Illuminati.
Many great founders of America were believed to be influenced by the then illuminati (the 18th century ones). Their philosphies included Deism (That God created the world but does not interact with it) which later resulted in the Jefferson Bible, free speech and social democracy. The American Constitution was believed to be largely based on illuminati teachings.

Here's another more obscure 3rd century reference.
"In addition to prophetic enthusiasm, Montanism taught a legalistic moral rigorism. The time of fasting was lengthened, followers were forbidden to flee from martyrdom, marriage was discouraged, and second marriages were prohibited ... Convinced that the end of the world was at hand, Montanus laid down a rigoristic morality to purify Christians and detach them from their material desires." - Enc Brit


All these movements had one thing in common - they were excommunicated by the Church, their members were tortured and murdered (by, for example, the inquisition) and they had to remain in secret. What you are stating is most likely a myth propagated by the Church for the extermination of yet another group of perceived heretics. (As with "witches")

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Man, I went into all this effort to give Encyclopaedia Britannica research, then Jeff & Eddie hand me time-travelling illuminati.

How can I compete?

BTW Porphyria. Thanks! I forgot what it was called!

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Yes! Got it!

There's an extremely (and I mean extremely) rare variant of porphyria which causes sentitivity to sunlight, extreme pain and deformity that can be caused by sunlight and even seizures!

However, although porphyrias are due to missing components of blood (more rise to the vampire myth) you can't replenish these components by drinking blood (the stomach breaks it down) - you must have the components injected. Also, you don't get blood transfusions - only recombinant protein. Anyone trying to inject blood into themselves in the Middle Ages would have most likely died from rejection, infection or sepsis - they didn't know their B positive from their backside back in those days. Back then, those infected by porphyria did not even know that their blood was defective - it was only discovered recently.

It's more likely that porphyria and the vampire myth are simply independent coincidence - the former did not lead to the latter.

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Well, they might be connected. I mean, you have to wonder how someone got the idea that a pale guy had fangs and a severe sensitivity to light. The other stuff is embellishment, but I think the vampire/werewolf legends originated with this disease.(I believe there is a strain of the disease that causes abnormal hair growth)

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The Illuminati is possibly still around today. Check out wikipedia. Its a marvelous source of knowledge, but there is definatley no mention of time travel there. Just about how they formed and the whole new world order theory surrounds them.

Are bearded ladies werewolves, they have abnormal hair growth!?

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Of course there are still some "Illuminati" around. But they have barely anything in common with the original Illuminati.

And a bunch of idiots labelling themselves "Illuminati" (especially those who claim that on their homepage) are not exactly a powerful organization.

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Exactly and this is where I think these myths come from. It's simply not possible for an animal of flesh and blood (and bones) to shape change. Things like big foot are either unidentified animals, excisting animals being seen as something they aren't or a hoax (myth, people trying to "create" evidence etc.).

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See, Donitz knows the truth, that I make sense.