US marines 'massscred Iraqi civilians'

[Wooly_Bully]

From Yahoo.co.uk

Originally Posted by Yahoo.co.uk

A US magazine has released a video it claims shows a civilian massacre by American marines in Iraq.
The incident, which happened last November in the town of Haditha, was captured by a journalism student, Time Magazine says.
The graphic footage shows heavily bloodstained rooms, and bodies of the alleged victims wrapped in rugs at the house and in the local morgue.
Residents in the Iraqi town claim the incident happened shortly after a roadside bomb killed a US Marine in a western Iraqi town last year.
US forces went into nearby houses and shot dead 15 members of two families, including a three year-old-girl, residents said.
"American troops immediately cordoned the area and raided two nearby houses, shooting at everyone inside," said a witness. "It was a massacre in every sense of the word."
Time said the available evidence did not provide conclusive proof that the Marines deliberately killed innocent civilians.
The US Military, after being presented with evidence in January, concluded that civilians were killed by Marines, Time said, victims of "collateral damage" rather than deliberate murder.
Lieutenant General Peter Chiarelli, the number-two US commander in Iraq, said about 12 Marines were under investigation for possible war crimes in the incident. He said the case was referred to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service.

If this is true then its going to lead to some very very bad places.

This situation reminded me of this.

[the splat in the hat]

Didnt you expect to see this kinda shit happening when Bush told us we should go there and occupy this country ?

War is nasty, these things will happen even in our ''so called modern'' army, its just the way the world is, and how do you stop it for real, its just impossible to stop every incident that happens, just impossible, [lm not saying its right or wrong] but when the reasons for being there are lies clowded in stealth and the people in that area in general hate us , what do people expect.
l bet it aint the first time in irak or the last for that matter, war is a heated fight , and our troops fear for there lives just as much as any other human being, or they wouldnt be alive, when adrenalin kicks in , in the heat of a fire fight, many things can happen unexpectedly, completely out of the blue.
In the end shit happens as sad as it is, wrong as it may be, wrong as we may be for being there, but expect this crap to go down more oftern than not in that region l would recon. We are very filtered from most of there media, how many other incidents have happened just in the last 12 months of irak ?

[Safe-Keeper]

l bet it aint the first time in irak or the last for that matter, war is a heated fight , and our troops fear for there lives just as much as any other human being, or they wouldnt be alive, when adrenalin kicks in , in the heat of a fire fight, many things can happen unexpectedly, completely out of the blue.

Right. A whole group of Marines just go bananas out of the blue and pull a mini-Columbine. Sure.

War is nasty, these things will happen even in our ''so called modern'' army, its just the way the world is, and how do you stop it for real, its just impossible to stop every incident that happens, just impossible, [lm not saying its right or wrong] but when the reasons for being there are lies clowded in stealth and the people in that area in general hate us , what do people expect.

A good deal, with Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld being in command.

If "these things are bound to happen by themselves", where are the reports on French, German, Norwegian, or Canadian troops abusing detainees, massacring civilians, or pulling off other violations of the Geneva Conventions? Answer that one please, without stupid "OMG u're anti-am3rican!!!"-cards.

[Wooly_Bully]

With the Americans being the most numerous of the forces and pretty much the center point of the hatred from the Insurgents they are probably being hit by more attacks then anyone else. This means they receive more car bombs, ambushes and mortar attacks than anyone else.

Having more of that kind of stuff puts a lot of stress on the soldiers and this is the result of too much of it. If you read the news report this just didn't happen ("out of the blue"), there was a car bomb outside the town that killed one of the marines, and if you read the other link the marines probably felt that the people in the town knew it was there and did nothing.

That cost the life of one of their fellow marines.

I'm not saying that this horrible incident was justified but its complicated.

All stuff like this does is turn more people against the coalition forces, more bombs outside towns, more people being killed, more recruits for the insurgents.


Edit: Other link is down

[Nostradamouse]

Originally Posted by Safe Keeper

If "these things are bound to happen by themselves", where are the reports on French, German, Norwegian, or Canadian troops abusing detainees, massacring civilians, or pulling off other violations of the Geneva Conventions? Answer that one please, without stupid "OMG u're anti-am3rican!!!"-cards.

I can find you some about them, from WW2, but it was *just* the killing of surrendered prisoners, (something the SS already started doing on our troops)

[tusse]

Originally Posted by Wooly_Bully

With the Americans being the most numerous of the forces and pretty much the center point of the hatred from the Insurgents they are probably being hit by more attacks then anyone else. This means they receive more car bombs, ambushes and mortar attacks than anyone else.

Having more of that kind of stuff puts a lot of stress on the soldiers and this is the result of too much of it. If you read the news report this just didn't happen ("out of the blue"), there was a car bomb outside the town that killed one of the marines, and if you read the other link the marines probably felt that the people in the town knew it was there and did nothing.

That cost the life of one of their fellow marines.

I'm not saying that this horrible incident was justified but its complicated.

All stuff like this does is turn more people against the coalition forces, more bombs outside towns, more people being killed, more recruits for the insurgents.


Edit: Other link is down

Yeah, the reaction, when considering that the troops are humans, is understandable... But not to be condoned.
Some one gotta restrain themselves from performing what they consider justified revenge. It leads only to escalation.... Have a hard time coming up with an example where such revenge actually drew the parties closer to solving the conflict. Problem with revenge is , that people lose the ability to count to more than one... namely the one incident before leading to the revenge.

[Tear13dowN]

First of all, they wouldn't just go into a house or whatever and kill people, they had a reason to go there. On top of that they would at least have to be smart enough to use a cover story to back up their killings.

Time said the available evidence did not provide conclusive proof that the Marines deliberately killed innocent civilians.
The US Military, after being presented with evidence in January, concluded that civilians were killed by Marines, Time said, victims of "collateral damage" rather than deliberate murder.

There is no evidence!!! On top of that this shit shouldn't even be published...wtf...this is more than a battlecry for the militants. Fuckin stupid ass reporters...i hate the media! This crap is only ganna make crap worse for our troops over there!

[ANZACSAS]

MY GOD your avatar.......

yes it was boun to happen there is only so much people can take befor the matter goes out of hand. The U.S is loseing people alot there, so they see it as "to strike fear into the locals and maybe it would stop"
but no it should never of happen and if it was the U.S that did it i will lose more and more respect for them.

[Bohemund]

Didnt you expect to see this kinda shit happening when Bush told us we should go there and occupy this country ?

Anyone who didn't expect it needs to have his head examined.

Its war - shit happens.

But the morale and popularity effects of this won't be positive, to say the least.

[Nederbörd]

It's war, every army can massacre people, even western armies.

This may be a blow for the American forces in Iraq. People in Iraq might (just might) have a little less trust in the Coalition forces after this.