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Joe Bonham March 18th, 2006 08:10 PM

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In the 18th century, Adam Smith proposed a theory that the overall population, in what he called "the invisible hand", could make decisions far better than a few - no matter how "smarter" they are than the average joe.

Economists have mocked him for years for this. Everybody knows that the market is better off when run by a few wise, elites handpicked by the government to ensure the common good!;)

Well, it looks like Adam Smith got the last laugh.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/book...wisdom.crowds/

This test is quite easy to perform. Just hold a guessing contest with a jar of jelly beans.

Bring in a brilliant mathmetician and have him guess the number.

Then have a thousand people each guess, calculate the mean of their guesses.

You will find that the crowd were closer to the correct answer than the mathmetician.

czech speacial forces March 18th, 2006 08:14 PM

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if the majority is influenced by the 'elites' then there is no difference. this is happening right now in america. we were lied to and confinced by the elites and now we are paying the price.

Joe Bonham March 18th, 2006 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by czech speacial forces
if the majority is influenced by the 'elites' then there is no difference. this is happening right now in america. we were lied to and confinced by the elites and now we are paying the price.

Can we have at least one thread where we don't end up arguing about Iraq? Thank you.:uhoh:

Sedistix March 18th, 2006 08:25 PM

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You say last laugh like its a vengeance thing, for not being recognized earlier.

I find these conclusions were determined by studies of questionable scientific merit. You can never underestimate the stupidity of the general public.

Nostradamouse March 18th, 2006 09:52 PM

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Of course, Im always going to say that people are the best to actually know what is better for them. AUthority of minorities over the majority is always questionnable.

WarHawk109 March 18th, 2006 10:00 PM

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Of course, Im always going to say that people are the best to actually know what is better for them. AUthority of minorities over the majority is always questionnable.

Yep, that's why socialism never works. :lol:

Adam Smith is my hero.

Nostradamouse March 18th, 2006 10:06 PM

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Yep, that's why socialism never works. :lol:

Adam Smith is my hero.

If people want socialism, they know that they are doing th best, if they want full scale capitalism, theyre right.
Theyre right on both spectrums if people agree on it.

WarHawk109 March 18th, 2006 10:30 PM

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If people want socialism, they know that they are doing th best, if they want full scale capitalism, theyre right.
Theyre right on both spectrums if people agree on it.

in socialism, you will always have a few people deciding for the population who gets what, and how much of it everyone gets and who everyone does business with, that's the nature of the beast. in the free-market it's the opposite, the people get to decide who they are going to do business with, and on their own terms.

Nostradamouse March 18th, 2006 10:32 PM

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in socialism, you will always have a few people deciding for the population who gets what, and how much of it everyone gets and who everyone does business with, that's the nature of the beast. in the free-market it's the opposite, the people get to decide who they are going to do business with, and on their terms.

Not at all, socialism aims for the destruction of social classes and later: the destruction of government. Anarchists are against economical freedom because of the fact it creates social classes.

WarHawk109 March 18th, 2006 10:41 PM

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Not at all, socialism aims for the destruction of social classes and later: the destruction of government. Anarchists are against economical freedom because of the fact it creates social classes.

So how do you enforce the suspension of economic freedom without government? What's stopping me from forming a business and selling products for what I want, and paying my workers what I want?

Nostradamouse March 18th, 2006 10:43 PM

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So how do you enforce the suspension of economic freedom without government? What's stopping me from forming a business and selling products for what I want, and paying my workers what I want?

People.:rolleyes: Destruction of order, instabillity, you cant rule a business.
That or it is intensive collectivisation meaning that if you work it, it is yours. The products are to the one using the machinery, not the owners of the machinery.

WarHawk109 March 18th, 2006 10:43 PM

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also, I think you are confusing socialism with communism...I know...it's hard. :D

Nostradamouse March 18th, 2006 10:45 PM

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also, I think you are confusing socialism with communism...I know...it's hard. :D

Oh, they all want the same thing, but by applying different ways. They want of an equilitarian world, a fair one. In short, not one in which 20% of the population uses 80% of the ressources.

WarHawk109 March 18th, 2006 10:49 PM

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Oh, they all want the same thing, but by applying different ways. They want of an equilitarian world, a fair one. In short, not one in which 20% of the population uses 80% of the ressources.

I thought the difference between the two was that socialism didn't advocate the abolition of gov't?

Anyway, regardless, in reality socialism requires huge bureaucracy, and you have no freedom to choose who you do business with, it's always you have to do business with the gov't or you are shot/thrown in jail etc.

Nostradamouse March 18th, 2006 10:53 PM

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I thought the difference between the two was that socialism didn't advocate the abolition of gov't?

You confuse with social democracy mate.
It is a form of socialism, but most of them want its abolition. (except Stalinists...)

Communism is socialism, anarchism is, etc...

(offtopic)And you might as well have a good laugh by clicking on my sig(/offtopic)


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