allies against war on terror.Fahd was hated Osama for being a pal of US .
I am sick of the usual west vs Islam allegations,usualy made by a certain amount of Muolanas.now with suicide bombings in my own country,I am worried.
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Now the countries of Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran are waging a proxy war on Israel by funding and equipping terrorists, rather than declaring open war on them.
Saudi Arabia is joining the WTO.
hehe the Saudis gonna have to trade with Israel as well 'recognise' it.wonder how they are going to do it now.it would be difficult but with Gaza being liberated ,I think things will go peacefully.
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and true. I do agree terrorism can't be killed off 100%. in a world like ours with soooo much different langauges and religions and political views there are bound to be terrorists of some sort. but they still need to be curbbed in a way.
al-Qaida is spread out throughout the world.Its really hard to destroy them.but we need to catch UBL and Zarqawi and they will tremendously less active.
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You want to unite the world? Create a global alliance whose entire cabinet consists of porn stars. That'll do the trick.
It's a pretty opening (and alternative) view on the normal anti-terrorist propaganda we get handed. Like the author saying OBL and Al-Zarqawi are rivals, not allies; and Al Qaeda not being an organisation, but a simple catchphrase from the US government.
I think one of the things that stands out for me is the differences in terrorism. Look at Western terrorist organisations (and for the time being, we won't count the US govt. please ) The IRA/RIAR; ETA; the Corsican Independance (forgot the name) still are active, to an extent, and have similar aims, the re-allocation of land to its 'rightful' owners. So it'd be possible to say that the insurgents in Iraq too have similar aims to these European groups. History has shown us how easy it is for people to get on the Nationalist bandwagon, patriotism and duty go hand in hand. What hasn't been tried is a serious negotiation between the insurgents and the Americans.
What I feel is that if the insurgency and the terrorists are seperate groups or coalitions of groups, then you should beat the easier one first; and you'll end up halving the amount of work and even loss of life.
And even if you personally think that's a stupid leftie idea, hopefully you could agree that one should at least try. What have you got to lose that you haven't already lost, and what do you have to gain? The respect of the World; a stable(r) Iraq; and a clear definition of who and what your targets are in Iraq, because, you've tried the barge-in-and-shoot angle, and it hasn't worked.
(Just as a complete side note, I've been posting to a discussion in the Green Party of NZ's members forum, on the creation of a new Defence policy. A lot of interest has been going into the organisation behind creating an insurgency in the advent of an invasion, for when the resources of the world start running out and we get raped for ours.)
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Saudi Arabia is joining the WTO.
hehe the Saudis gonna have to trade with Israel as well 'recognise' it.
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It's a pretty opening (and alternative) view on the normal anti-terrorist propaganda we get handed. Like the author saying OBL and Al-Zarqawi are rivals, not allies; and Al Qaeda not being an organisation, but a simple catchphrase from the US government.
Al Qaeda is not a terror group in and of itself. It is, however, the central organization system for several other groups, including the insurgents in Iraq and in the south west Pacific.
this is sad and infuriating.we are in a peace process and the best thing these jackasses can do is blow themselves up.see now how things happen.retaliation followed by another.this sucks,I hope the PNA does something about it but security forces don'thave enough resources.
Innocents are always the victims whether it is Israeli or Palestinian with very few exceptions.
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You want to unite the world? Create a global alliance whose entire cabinet consists of porn stars. That'll do the trick.
This is the problem, so far as I can see it. These terror groups are simply not happy with whatever is on the table, even if it is a separate Palestinian state. What they want is to have Israel destroyed, totally wiped off of the map. Despite “Little Satan’s” willingness to give some land to Palestinians, they continue murdering for their cause.
What a waste of life. Now we just wait for Israeli helicopters to blow the head off of the leader of whichever group is responsible for this attack. Which, of course, will bring on more vengeance bombings.
Terrorists are not part of some organized political party competing with the local one in power, they are just a group of desperate radicals that have either been brainwashed or are disillusioned in their own beliefs which they have had with them for a long time.
There is no way to really get rid of them, trying to end all terrorism in my opinion only worsens it.
I don't understand what is so bad about countries financing terrorists to harass us, we ourselves have supported terrorists (Granted they are not quite like the suicide bombers found in the Middle East) in Latin America and elsewhere. We haven't been so careful in the past, I don't think running blindly now trying to supress terrorists is going to work either. There needs to be some sort of long term plan instead of just a plan to keep a place supplied with troops for years on end.
I don't think running blindly now trying to supress terrorists is going to work either. There needs to be some sort of long term plan instead of just a plan to keep a place supplied with troops for years on end.
It wont work, obviously, if only most of the American people would understand that. To lessen terrorism the US goverment will have to do something much harder and trickier then bombing and invading countries that supposedly support terrorism. They will need to convince the average Ali across the world that they are not out to kill muslims, nor that they are at war with their religion. (some-one make bush stop saying "god bless america" and "axis of evil" in the same statements in which he threatens to attack yet another islamic country).
Doing so would lessen support and new recruits for the terrorists, cruise missles and GI's cant stop terrorism, only make it worse.
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No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means.
He is right. Again, others might not agree with it but he is right about everyone(arabs+muslims) thinking the west is going after them, with everything they got.
mostly has to do with American presence in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Afghanistan.(personally I dont think we are doing anything worth while in afghanistan, because Pakistan is doing most of the work over there.
"I'm the 82nd Airborne. And this is as far as the bastards are going!"
Hey dudes, it's every Catholics fault this happened. If your stupid Pope wouldn't have started those Crusades a few hundred years back than Musliums and Christans would probley still get along. This is just the contiunation a the war YOU BASTARDS started a few hundred years back. And now all westerners, no matter if they are Buddist, Christan, Atheist, or whatever have to pay for you mistake all du to their assumption of all of us being Christan. They don't attack China becasue they didn't start it, and becasue they would kill every last Muslim in that region. Half of our modern problems were stated by Cathoics You guys suck.
Every religion will have its corrupt leaders leading people in a direction that will serve them the best way. Placing blame on people today for actions that were taken centuries ago will only continue the conflict.
I agree, it is both sides' faults for not trying to better the relationships with each other though.
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And now all westerners, no matter if they are Buddist, Christan, Atheist, or whatever have to pay for you mistake all du to their assumption of all of us being Christan. They don't attack China becasue they didn't start it, and becasue they would kill every last Muslim in that region.
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) The IRA/RIAR; ETA; the Corsican Independance (forgot the name) still are active, to an extent, and have similar aims, the re-allocation of land to its 'rightful' owners. So it'd be possible to say that the insurgents in Iraq too have similar aims to these European groups. History has shown us how easy it is for people to get on the Nationalist bandwagon, patriotism and duty go hand in hand. What hasn't been tried is a serious negotiation between the insurgents and the Americans. 
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