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Originally Posted by The 13th Raptor

So many regimes out there commit such crimes, yet they are left alone.

So now you want us to invade every corrupt dictatorship?

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Originally Posted by USMA2010

What happened to we can't police the world?

Im pointing out that the US's motives are vague.. first WMD's, then freedom, then terrorists, then a mix of all of those..

Be consistant, i wonder when Lybia, Cuba, China, north korea will be invaded for restricting people's freedom.

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Originally Posted by The 13th Raptor

Cuba, never. Castro is old and will die in a few years. "Communism" won't live past his death.

Lybia, after the next time a terrorist attack is linked to them.

China, never. Sure, we'd free the Chinese people. But then the nuclear weapons would land.

North Korea, sometime in the next couple of years is my best guess.

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Originally Posted by USMA2010

Lybia, after the next time a terrorist attack is linked to them.

China, never. Sure, we'd free the Chinese people. But then the nuclear weapons would land.

So much for selfless operations to spread freedom. :p

Unfortunatly, not many people buy into the idea of invasion simply for liberation. Other motives must be made, such as in Iraq.

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Or not. If we just threaten to blow up one of their most hly mosuks if they attack us, and then we actually do, than say we'll take Muhhamends body and smash it to dustyer dust, they will see the light and stop the foolishness. For however "brave" a terrorist is to blow himslef up,, it takes far more bravery ro actually fight out Marines like civilized humans.

Well that is the samrtest thing I heard in this thread. let's joke around and threaten to level Mecca and MEdina so we can ahve 1.5+ billion people in the world angry with us, and most likely up in arms. Fight marines like civilised humans? lol they are called marines for a reason, they aren't civlised. like all other ocuntries there marines aren't civlised.

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Wrong.

If that was true, then virtually every practicing person of Islamic faith would be fighting the United States right now. Not true. Although there is support for terrorism in many arab states, the vast majority of people do not commit terrorist acts. Thus making your "Average Mohammad" statement false.

Wrong? He is kinda right to an extent. Alot of muslims in the middle east think america is attacking our religion. and there isnt that much support for terrorism in the middle east. I am from egypt, and have visited Saudi Arabia. Alot of them despise terrorists and what they did to our reputation. but there IS support for Palastenian militants.(not al qaeda)

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Well, Grizzly, George Washington didn't strap C4 to his body and blow himself up in a British market, etc...It's not quite the same scenario.

Neither is OBL. but that is a stupid comparison because americans didn't have C-4s back then. and there was no "british" peoples in the continetial united states to harass.

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How is that? The palastinians are no threat to them, even tho the countries surrounding them would love to kick some israeli butt, they wont stand a chance with their outdated russian crap.

Palastenainns aarent a threat? I'd think they kinda are. and out dated russian crap? Yeah I guess F-15s and F-16s and M1A1(egypt) and M1A2(Saudi Arabia), Patriot missles, M-60s, Mig-29, etc. coul dbe considered outdated russian crap.

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Besides, they wouldnt attack because the US wouldnt hesitate to help out any western country that is under attack, they know what too.

Israel is Middle EASTERN. not Western.heck more arabs are western then israelies(as in music, food, etc.)

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The israeli's can deal with the terrorists themselves, they have enough tanks, helicopters and jets to fight terrorism in the US's style.

Good lota shit that's doing currently in Iraq and Israel, and Vietnam(gurrila fighting). Gurrila fighting can better withstand and win against the modern decisplined army.

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I, personally, think Islam itself is violent. You may disagree and say it is peaceful, but what if the largely publicized folowers of Islam are freakin' suicide bombers and murderers? What about the riots in France?

lol wow. I happen to know that Hindus used to use suicide bombing way/at same time before muslims did(sri lanka and india). yeah Hinduism MUST be a violent religion. and the murder's part. I guess since what Irish did that all christian protestans are Murderers too. and riots in france..do you know what the riot is? do you know what it is about? you need to learn about what happens in france first. Mulims not being integrated enough(even the french speaking ones, like moroccans or algerians), and alot of muslims there living in Ghetto like areas with no jobs. yeah seems fair. they shoul djust sit there and not complain.

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And if it was because of Islam, why the muslims in Germany (that make up about 10 % of the whole population) haven't rioted? Because these problems are much smaller in Germany than in France.

Exactly. In Germany and Austria for example muslims are much more integrated and don't have much problems.

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What happened to we can't police the world?

so we can only police certain parts of it? since we(america) are already policing anyways why not just go after all the bad regimes?

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So now you want us to invade every corrupt dictatorship?

no ofcourse we should only invade muslim ones.

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Originally Posted by Relander

So you mean that all the sacrifices made by the Coalition, its supporters and Iraqis & Afghans would have been in vain, not to mention billions & billions of dollars spent to the war? Should the Coalition leave Afghanistan & Iraq, abandon them and let them start civil war, giving a chance for a new dictator to start his own tyrant regime? That's absurd, there's no turning back in this point.

I should have been more clear about that. I was talking about US embassies and Western Busnissess. Stuff of that nature.

I agree that it is suicide to leave iraq and afganastan. That is one of the reasons i didnt want the US start a war with iraq, because they would be over there for a long time, in grave danger, all the while they could be making the situation worse.

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Originally Posted by USMA2010

Unfortunatly, not many people buy into the idea of invasion simply for liberation. Other motives must be made, such as in Iraq.

"Made up" motives and half-truths only work in the short run. People who recognize that they were deceived will be even more unwilling to follow their government in the future.

And lies / half-truths are a good source for unnecessary conspiracy theories.

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Originally Posted by USMA2010

If that was true, then virtually every practicing person of Islamic faith would be fighting the United States right now. Not true. Although there is support for terrorism in many arab states, the vast majority of people do not commit terrorist acts. Thus making your "Average Mohammad" statement false.

I never said the every average ali was a terrorist. Please dont lie.
I said that the image of we have of attacking their culture could get your average Ali to try to blow the US up.

Not all of them are fanatical, but some are. And once they are told that the west is coming to get them, the fanaticals will do whatever they can to stop the "aggressers"

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Originally Posted by -DarthMaul-

There is very little the US can do to help against palastenian terrorists. And im talking about their neighbours Syria and Jordan, Egypt would never attack Israel, neither would saudi arabia.

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Israel is Middle EASTERN. not Western.heck more arabs are western then israelies(as in music, food, etc.)

Meh, i always looked at the Israeli's as western people, dont ask why, fact is.. western or not, they are the US's allies and probably always be, preventing any conventional and nuclear attack. They will do fine without having overly close relations with the united states.

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Good lota shit that's doing currently in Iraq and Israel, and Vietnam(gurrila fighting). Gurrila fighting can better withstand and win against the modern decisplined army.

Exacly, and israel has been dealing with terrorists for 40 or more years, having more experience then the US, they dont really need help now do they?