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Force Recon December 4th, 2005 11:59 PM
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allies against war on terror.Fahd was hated Osama for being a pal of US .
I am sick of the usual west vs Islam allegations,usualy made by a certain amount of Muolanas.now with suicide bombings in my own country,I am worried.

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Now the countries of Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran are waging a proxy war on Israel by funding and equipping terrorists, rather than declaring open war on them.
Saudi Arabia is joining the WTO.
hehe the Saudis gonna have to trade with Israel as well 'recognise' it.wonder how they are going to do it now.it would be difficult but with Gaza being liberated ,I think things will go peacefully.

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and true. I do agree terrorism can't be killed off 100%. in a world like ours with soooo much different langauges and religions and political views there are bound to be terrorists of some sort. but they still need to be curbbed in a way.
al-Qaida is spread out throughout the world.Its really hard to destroy them.but we need to catch UBL and Zarqawi and they will tremendously less active.

masked_marsoe December 5th, 2005 01:02 AM
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Has anyone read this book...Al Qaeda: The True Story of Radical Islam? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/185...lance&n=283155

It's a pretty opening (and alternative) view on the normal anti-terrorist propaganda we get handed. Like the author saying OBL and Al-Zarqawi are rivals, not allies; and Al Qaeda not being an organisation, but a simple catchphrase from the US government.

I think one of the things that stands out for me is the differences in terrorism. Look at Western terrorist organisations (and for the time being, we won't count the US govt. please ;) ) The IRA/RIAR; ETA; the Corsican Independance (forgot the name) still are active, to an extent, and have similar aims, the re-allocation of land to its 'rightful' owners. So it'd be possible to say that the insurgents in Iraq too have similar aims to these European groups. History has shown us how easy it is for people to get on the Nationalist bandwagon, patriotism and duty go hand in hand. What hasn't been tried is a serious negotiation between the insurgents and the Americans.

What I feel is that if the insurgency and the terrorists are seperate groups or coalitions of groups, then you should beat the easier one first; and you'll end up halving the amount of work and even loss of life.

And even if you personally think that's a stupid leftie idea, hopefully you could agree that one should at least try. What have you got to lose that you haven't already lost, and what do you have to gain? The respect of the World; a stable(r) Iraq; and a clear definition of who and what your targets are in Iraq, because, you've tried the barge-in-and-shoot angle, and it hasn't worked.


(Just as a complete side note, I've been posting to a discussion in the Green Party of NZ's members forum, on the creation of a new Defence policy. A lot of interest has been going into the organisation behind creating an insurgency in the advent of an invasion, for when the resources of the world start running out and we get raped for ours.)

USMA2010 December 5th, 2005 05:23 AM
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Saudi Arabia is joining the WTO.
hehe the Saudis gonna have to trade with Israel as well 'recognise' it.
Owned.

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It's a pretty opening (and alternative) view on the normal anti-terrorist propaganda we get handed. Like the author saying OBL and Al-Zarqawi are rivals, not allies; and Al Qaeda not being an organisation, but a simple catchphrase from the US government.
Al Qaeda is not a terror group in and of itself. It is, however, the central organization system for several other groups, including the insurgents in Iraq and in the south west Pacific.

Force Recon December 5th, 2005 06:07 AM
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suicide bombing in Israel

this is sad and infuriating.we are in a peace process and the best thing these jackasses can do is blow themselves up.see now how things happen.retaliation followed by another.this sucks,I hope the PNA does something about it but security forces don'thave enough resources.
Innocents are always the victims whether it is Israeli or Palestinian with very few exceptions.

USMA2010 December 5th, 2005 06:12 AM
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Another attack? Christ...

This is the problem, so far as I can see it. These terror groups are simply not happy with whatever is on the table, even if it is a separate Palestinian state. What they want is to have Israel destroyed, totally wiped off of the map. Despite “Little Satan’s” willingness to give some land to Palestinians, they continue murdering for their cause.

What a waste of life. Now we just wait for Israeli helicopters to blow the head off of the leader of whichever group is responsible for this attack. Which, of course, will bring on more vengeance bombings.

Ensign Riles December 5th, 2005 07:49 AM
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Terrorists are not part of some organized political party competing with the local one in power, they are just a group of desperate radicals that have either been brainwashed or are disillusioned in their own beliefs which they have had with them for a long time.

There is no way to really get rid of them, trying to end all terrorism in my opinion only worsens it.

I don't understand what is so bad about countries financing terrorists to harass us, we ourselves have supported terrorists (Granted they are not quite like the suicide bombers found in the Middle East) in Latin America and elsewhere. We haven't been so careful in the past, I don't think running blindly now trying to supress terrorists is going to work either. There needs to be some sort of long term plan instead of just a plan to keep a place supplied with troops for years on end.

Tas December 5th, 2005 10:56 AM
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I don't think running blindly now trying to supress terrorists is going to work either. There needs to be some sort of long term plan instead of just a plan to keep a place supplied with troops for years on end.
It wont work, obviously, if only most of the American people would understand that. To lessen terrorism the US goverment will have to do something much harder and trickier then bombing and invading countries that supposedly support terrorism. They will need to convince the average Ali across the world that they are not out to kill muslims, nor that they are at war with their religion. (some-one make bush stop saying "god bless america" and "axis of evil" in the same statements in which he threatens to attack yet another islamic country).


Doing so would lessen support and new recruits for the terrorists, cruise missles and GI's cant stop terrorism, only make it worse.

-DarthMaul- December 5th, 2005 01:30 PM
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He is right. Again, others might not agree with it but he is right about everyone(arabs+muslims) thinking the west is going after them, with everything they got.

mostly has to do with American presence in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Afghanistan.(personally I dont think we are doing anything worth while in afghanistan, because Pakistan is doing most of the work over there.

Delta Force December 5th, 2005 01:38 PM
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Hey dudes, it's every Catholics fault this happened. If your stupid Pope wouldn't have started those Crusades a few hundred years back than Musliums and Christans would probley still get along. This is just the contiunation a the war YOU BASTARDS started a few hundred years back. And now all westerners, no matter if they are Buddist, Christan, Atheist, or whatever have to pay for you mistake all du to their assumption of all of us being Christan. They don't attack China becasue they didn't start it, and becasue they would kill every last Muslim in that region. Half of our modern problems were stated by Cathoics You guys suck.

Ensign Riles December 5th, 2005 03:23 PM
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Every religion will have its corrupt leaders leading people in a direction that will serve them the best way. Placing blame on people today for actions that were taken centuries ago will only continue the conflict.

I agree, it is both sides' faults for not trying to better the relationships with each other though.


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And now all westerners, no matter if they are Buddist, Christan, Atheist, or whatever have to pay for you mistake all du to their assumption of all of us being Christan. They don't attack China becasue they didn't start it, and becasue they would kill every last Muslim in that region.
That really doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

GreatGrizzly December 5th, 2005 03:50 PM
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They will need to convince the average Ali across the world that they are not out to kill muslims, nor that they are at war with their religion. (some-one make bush stop saying "god bless america" and "axis of evil" in the same statements in which he threatens to attack yet another islamic country).

Doing so would lessen support and new recruits for the terrorists, cruise missles and GI's cant stop terrorism, only make it worse.
I have been saying that for quite some time. Finally, people are listening!

czech speacial forces December 5th, 2005 05:12 PM
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i think isreal should do what they did after their olimpic athletes were murdered by palestinians. a group of speacial forces found each one that was involved and killed them. i think there is a new movie on it thats comin out.

WarHawk109 December 5th, 2005 05:27 PM
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Most of the people fighting the USA in Iraq are terrorists coming from other nations like Syria, Iran etc, and are funded by Al Qaeda. Invading Iraq was a brilliant move on the part of the USA IMO as it has created a front in the heart of the Middle East in order to combat Al Qaeda and islam-o-fascism. Sure they exaggerated a bit in order to get support for the war, but most of the exaggerations were on things that were believed to be true at the time. The good news about this is that Al Qaeda is becoming weaker and weaker due to the fighting in Iraq and is becoming bankrupt because the USA is consistently beating them soundly.

czech speacial forces December 5th, 2005 05:46 PM
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Most of the people fighting the USA in Iraq are terrorists coming from other nations like Syria, Iran etc, and are funded by Al Qaeda. Invading Iraq was a brilliant move on the part of the USA IMO as it has created a front in the heart of the Middle East in order to combat Al Qaeda and islam-o-fascism. Sure they exaggerated a bit in order to get support for the war, but most of the exaggerations were on things that were believed to be true at the time. The good news about this is that Al Qaeda is becoming weaker and weaker due to the fighting in Iraq and is becoming bankrupt because the USA is consistently beating them soundly.
we are becoming bankrupt also you idiot 6 billion a month to be exact. plus the cost of human life. its not worth it. we should use that money on security in the US. also why did we need to invade such a large country to fight the terrorists. why not some smaller country. iraq is too big for our military force to control.

WarHawk109 December 5th, 2005 05:50 PM
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we are becoming bankrupt also you idiot 6 billion a month to be exact. plus the cost of human life. its not worth it. we should use that money on security in the US. also why did we need to invade such a large country to fight the terrorists. why not some smaller country. iraq is too big for our military force to control.
USA becoming bankrupt? PUHLEEZ. Also, it's not just about fighting terrorists, Iraq had done a number of things to provoke the USA, shooting down air planes in the no-fly-zone for instance, refusing to cooperate with UN inspectors as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_1205

Tas December 5th, 2005 06:01 PM
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Most of the people fighting the USA in Iraq are terrorists coming from other nations like Syria, Iran etc, and are funded by Al Qaeda.
Al Qaeda is not one organisation with a command structure like many people believe.. its just a name for a collection of people who do whatever.

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Invading Iraq was a brilliant move on the part of the USA IMO as it has created a front in the heart of the Middle East in order to combat Al Qaeda and islam-o-fascism.
By your reasoning, unless you invade Syria, Iran, etc. You wont be achieving anything but providing the terrorists a place to take shots at your troops. In the war against terrorism, there is no front, do you believe m16's, m1a2's, f22's can defeat terrorism? They cant. And what is this "Islam-o-fascism" you speak off?

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The good news about this is that Al Qaeda is becoming weaker and weaker due to the fighting in Iraq and is becoming bankrupt because the USA is consistently beating them soundly.
O rly? How can an organisation that doesnt even really excist go bankrupt? Terrorists will keep recieving money from a load of sources.. Besides, all you need to make a bomb is household chemicals. The war in Iraq only created more hate against America, and more fuel for the determination of terrorists.

czech speacial forces December 5th, 2005 06:28 PM
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USA becoming bankrupt? PUHLEEZ. Also, it's not just about fighting terrorists, Iraq had done a number of things to provoke the USA, shooting down air planes in the no-fly-zone for instance, refusing to cooperate with UN inspectors as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_1205
if thats all we need for a reason to invade a country lets invade. china, north korea, somalia, and many others. and yes the USA can become bankrupt. where do you live if i may ask. also i guess some southern state that thinks bush is the greatest president ever?

WarHawk109 December 5th, 2005 06:37 PM
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Al Qaeda is not one organisation with a command structure like many people believe.. its just a name for a collection of people who do whatever.
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Though the current structure of al-Qaeda is unknown, information mostly acquired from the defector Jamal al-Fadl provided American authorities with a rough picture of how the group was organized. While the veracity of the information provided by al-Fadl and the motivation for his cooperation are both disputed, American authorities base much of their current knowledge of al-Qaeda on his testimony.
Bin Laden is the emir of al-Qaeda (although originally this role may have been filled by Abu Ayoub al-Iraqi), advised by a shura council, which consists of senior al-Qaeda members, estimated by Western officials at about twenty to thirty people.
* The Military committee is responsible for training, weapons acquisition, and planning attacks.
* The Money/Business committee runs business operations. The travel office provides air tickets and false passports. The payroll office pays al-Qaeda members, and the Management office oversees money-making businesses. In the US 911 Commission Report it is estimated that al-Qaeda requires 30,000,000 USD / year to conduct its operation.
* The Law committee reviews Islamic law and decides if particular courses of action conform to the law.
* The Islamic study/fatwah committee issues religious edicts, such as an edict in 1998 telling Muslims to kill Americans.
* In the late 1990s there was a publicly known Media committee, which ran the now-defunct newspaper Nashrat al Akhbar (Newscast) and did public relations. It is currently assumed that media operations are now outsourced to internally redundant parts of the organization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_qaed...ain_of_command
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By your reasoning, unless you invade Syria, Iran, etc. You wont be achieving anything but providing the terrorists a place to take shots at your troops. In the war against terrorism, there is no front, do you believe m16's, m1a2's, f22's can defeat terrorism? They cant.
Why invade another country when the ones that you are fighting are coming to you in droves to be slaughtered?
I suppose you think hugging the terrorists will yield better results hmmm?
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And what is this "Islam-o-fascism" you speak off?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism
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O rly? How can an organisation that doesnt even really excist go bankrupt?
I used to have a link that showed how Al qaeda was losing money, but I can't find it. :(
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Terrorists will keep recieving money from a load of sources..
Yes they can find funding in other places, but they can only be funded for so long, and eventualy they will lose the will to fight.
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Besides, all you need to make a bomb is household chemicals.
All you need to kill a terrorist is a ten cent bullet, so what?
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The war in Iraq only created more hate against America, and more fuel for the determination of terrorists.
What difference does it make what the world thinks? The last time the USA tried being nice to everyone they ended up with 9/11.

WarHawk109 December 5th, 2005 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by czech speacial forces
if thats all we need for a reason to invade a country lets invade. china, north korea, somalia, and many others. and yes the USA can become bankrupt. where do you live if i may ask. also i guess some southern state that thinks bush is the greatest president ever?
It doesn't matter what country the USA invades people will always say "WELL WHY DIDN'T YOU INVADE THIS COUNTRY HUH?"

I live in Canada.

-DarthMaul- December 5th, 2005 06:48 PM
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USA becoming bankrupt? PUHLEEZ. Also, it's not just about fighting terrorists, Iraq had done a number of things to provoke the USA, shooting down air planes in the no-fly-zone for instance, refusing to cooperate with UN inspectors as well.
Yeah, I am going to send MILITARY JETS over your country's Air Space and tell me..are you gonna shoot them down?

and refusing to cooperate with UN..that was taken care of long before the war.

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also i guess some southern state that thinks bush is the greatest president ever?
Not me I live in Florida, and I dislike Bush.

WarHawk109 December 5th, 2005 06:51 PM
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Yeah, I am going to send MILITARY JETS over your country's Air Space and tell me..are you gonna shoot them down?
Are you saying it's okay for Iraq to violate UN sanctions?

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and refusing to cooperate with UN..that was taken care of long before the war.
o rlly? http://www.usembassy.lv/EN/Iraq/defiance

Ensign Riles December 5th, 2005 07:05 PM
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I suppose you think hugging the terrorists will yield better results hmmm?
Killing them doesn't seem to be helping any. They have been in their death throes for two years now. :uhm:


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Yes they can find funding in other places, but they can only be funded for so long, and eventualy they will lose the will to fight.

All you need to kill a terrorist is a ten cent bullet, so what?
All you need to kill an American is a ten cent bullet, ten cents isn't impossible funding. There are so many weapons over there, terrorists don't go with one hundred dollar bills to their nearest ammo store to pick up weapons. You can't starve terrorists away from weapons.

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What difference does it make what the world thinks? The last time the USA tried being nice to everyone they ended up with 9/11.
Because for the last few decades we live in a global world. The U.S. is no longer seperated by some ocean from the rest of the world. We can't do whatever we want and then expect to have others do what we want, it just won't happen.

On the same note, who cares what the rest of the world thinks about Iraq? If they want to shoot down enemy jets, let them. How come we are the only ones who can disregard everyone else?

Tas December 5th, 2005 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by WarHawk109
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_qaed...ain_of_command

Why invade another country when the ones that you are fighting are coming to you in droves to be slaughtered?
I suppose you think hugging the terrorists will yield better results hmmm?
"A rough idea", indeed. Fact remains that if you kill one, another will take his place, and osama is still at large.
Funny.. That seems like a rather ineffective way of fighting terrorism. They will keep coming, its not really helping the western world at all, nor the middle east for that matter.


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I used to have a link that showed how Al qaeda was losing money, but I can't find it. :(

Yes they can find funding in other places, but they can only be funded for so long, and eventualy they will lose the will to fight.
Ehh, that doesnt make any sense. How can they only be funded for so long when their sponsors keep making money?

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All you need to kill a terrorist is a ten cent bullet, so what?
:vikki: The Terrorism that affects us in the west, and those in Israel is not the kind that we see in Iraq. There mobs with AK47's ambush convoys, here, and there, normal looking people smuggle bombs around covertly. That kind of terrorism will never stop, unless we stop upsetting those people (not saying we should stop what "we" do in general)

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What difference does it make what the world thinks? The last time the USA tried being nice to everyone they ended up with 9/11.
The USA is a part of the world, if they keep pissing people off, people will hate them, and people will want to hurt them. Its that simple.. invading countries is not helping you decrease the kind of hatred that made 11sept happen.

WarHawk109 December 5th, 2005 07:16 PM
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Killing them doesn't seem to be helping any. They have been in their death throes for two years now. :uhm:
Hasn't been helping any? When was the last terrorist attack on American soil?

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All you need to kill an American is a ten cent bullet, ten cents isn't impossible funding. There are so many weapons over there, terrorists don't go with one hundred dollar bills to their nearest ammo store to pick up weapons. You can't starve terrorists away from weapons.
You seem to be missing my point, which is that the USA can kill terrorists just as cheaply as terrorists can kill Americans.

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Because for the last few decades we live in a global world. The U.S. is no longer seperated by some ocean from the rest of the world. We can't do whatever we want and then expect to have others do what we want, it just won't happen.
So we should just let Iraq do whatever it wants then?

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On the same note, who cares what the rest of the world thinks about Iraq? If they want to shoot down enemy jets, let them. How come we are the only ones who can disregard everyone else?
Enemy jets? We are talking about Iraq's violations of UN sanctions by shooting down American and other coalition forces planes. You're saying that we turn a blind eye to nations that are unlawfully attacking us?

WarHawk109 December 5th, 2005 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by The 13th Raptor
"A rough idea", indeed. Fact remains that if you kill one, another will take his place, and osama is still at large.
Funny.. That seems like a rather ineffective way of fighting terrorism. They will keep coming, its not really helping the western world at all, nor the middle east for that matter.
You seem to think "they will keep coming," yet you do not realize that the groups supporting them do not have an unlimited amount of resources.



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Ehh, that doesnt make any sense. How can they only be funded for so long when their sponsors keep making money?
They are actually losing money so...


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:vikki: The Terrorism that affects us in the west, and those in Israel is not the kind that we see in Iraq. There mobs with AK47's ambush convoys, here, and there, normal looking people smuggle bombs around covertly. That kind of terrorism will never stop, unless we stop upsetting those people (not saying we should stop what "we" do in general)
Stop upsetting those people? Most insurgency in Iraq are not actually Iraqi, they are from other nations. What do you propose the USA should do? Pull out of Iraq so the terrorists can claim victory and garner even MORE support than they did before? That's a recipe for disaster.

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The USA is a part of the world, if they keep pissing people off, people will hate them, and people will want to hurt them. Its that simple.. invading countries is not helping you decrease the kind of hatred that made 11sept happen.
Dude, being nice to these guys isn't going to help either, it doesn't matter what the USA does the terrorists will still hate the USA 100%. These guys are pissed off all the freaking time.

Miltonmonkey December 5th, 2005 07:39 PM
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A simple but terrible sloution.

Tas December 5th, 2005 07:41 PM
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Hasn't been helping any? When was the last terrorist attack on American soil?
A terrorist action in 1997 predates 9/11 by four year, as far as im concerned its business as usual.
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You seem to be missing my point, which is that the USA can kill terrorists just as cheaply as terrorists can kill Americans.
Difference is, terrorists are willing to die to kill americans, and they succeed. Terrorism that strikes western people at home cant be stopped by brute force.
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Enemy jets? We are talking about Iraq's violations of UN sanctions by shooting down American and other coalition forces planes. You're saying that we turn a blind eye to nations that are unlawfully attacking us?
Wikipedia states that the US and Brittain's right to even put the no fly zones into place is disputed..
"The United States and Britain argued that the patrols were authorized under U.N. Security Council Resolution 688, adopted April 5, 1991. The text "condemns the repression of the Iraqi civilian population in many parts of Iraq", but does not specifically mention no-fly zones."
I guess the civilians living in central iraq were not important enough, eh?
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You seem to think "they will keep coming," yet you do not realize that the groups supporting them do not have an unlimited amount of resources.
People tend to have jobs, or even businesses, they make money, this money goes to terrorists sometimes.
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They are actually losing money so...
How do you know?
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Stop upsetting those people? Most insurgency in Iraq are not actually Iraqi, they are from other nations. What do you propose the USA should do? Pull out of Iraq so the terrorists can claim victory and garner even MORE support than they did before? That's a recipe for disaster.
The Terrorism in Iraq is different from what we now face at home, they are attacking an army with conventional weapons. At least some of them. they got all sorts of them in Iraq. And no, they shouldnt pull out, its to late.
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Dude, being nice to these guys isn't going to help either, it doesn't matter what the USA does the terrorists will still hate the USA 100%. These guys are pissed off all the freaking time.
You cant sweep all terrorists on the same heap, they all have very different motivations. You can NOT, stop all terrorism, but if you start relying on covert ops instead of cruise missles and tanks to destroy and kill mportant supporters, the hate fueling more people to take up arms and bombs to kill westerners will be decreased.. over time. PATIENCE.

czech speacial forces December 5th, 2005 09:45 PM
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It doesn't matter what country the USA invades people will always say "WELL WHY DIDN'T YOU INVADE THIS COUNTRY HUH?"

I live in Canada.
why do you care so much about Bush and the war so much. your canadian why do you care so much about america. you dount pay the taxes that pay for the iraq mess nor do you know the cost in human life that this war has caused. its a war with a forgotten cause. you live with fear so you want a war that will help protect you. that is exactly what the terrorists want. the dount care how many of their fighters are killed as long as the take some american lives with them. its a sick war that shouldnt be fought. also the terrorists want you to live in fear. that is the whole point of it.

Force Recon December 6th, 2005 12:00 AM
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They will need to convince the average Ali across the world that they are not out to kill muslims, nor that they are at war with their religion. (some-one make bush stop saying "god bless america" and "axis of evil" in the same statements in which he threatens to attack yet another islamic country).
It will be hard to do it because of all this propaganda from both sides.and resident conspiracy theorists don't make things better.

http://whyislam.org/forum/default.asp

go to this link .Its an Islamic forum.this is the place the actual "war' is taking place.

the most common things we have to explain what is jihad,mujahideen and that 70 virgins thing.

It became a jihad(struggle) for us to explain to Non-Muslims what jihad actually means.and 70 virings thing ain't in the Quran or the four hadith collections as far as I know.

it was me a and a lot people who had to explain the same thing million times on the same day.

the real war "Islam vs West secularism" has been taking place in the media,newspapers,books,internet forums,etc.

the most important thing-forget about democracy and secularism in the ME.The people there are satisfied with the Islamic law.Islam do give women their rights.Go to that forum and ask the women there.Though Saudis do get extreme sometimes(its their fault).stop lecturing about freedoma nd democracy and those stuff.Do them later after the current conflicts stop.

Force Recon December 6th, 2005 12:07 AM
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and later go to China or some dictated country to preach about human rights.

tusse December 6th, 2005 12:15 AM
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Its my impression that the terrorists killed in Iraq have nothing to do with the "War on terror" in the west! I dont see many potential Muhammed Ata's among them. They are recruited in the region, and would, due to stubborn singlemindedness, fueled only by fanaticism, be poor choices for trying to live incognito in some western country planning major strikes. They are merely cannon fodder drawing attention from those with the potential to pose a real threat.... And they are in some aspects succeding.. Because often you hear someone mention the number of dead insurgents in Iraq as a measure of the succes in "war on terror".

At the same time Al Quida is treated like some sort of James Bond Sprectre organisation. That seems wrong imo. To me it looks like AQ is a label "earned" by groups of extremists when they succeed, and only when they succeed, in performing an attack... A method securing that AQ appears to be very succesful...
Seems to remember that the group attacking London called themselves The Avenging Lefthand Indexfinger of Allah or something similar unimpressive... When they succeeded AQ "adopted" them.

amoreelitesoldier December 7th, 2005 09:50 PM
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Ghetto like areas with no jobs. yeah seems fair. they shoul djust sit there and not complain.
You're absolutely right. Give them jobs so they can buy more Vaseline. (The French)

_-|Darkstar|Vengence|-_ December 12th, 2005 07:03 PM
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I do agree in so many ways. The pen IS, indeed, mightier than the sword. The pen has become the sword, and the sword has become what people in ancient times believed to be the pen. The sword is now powerless, and the pen is almighty. Go, Eminem! Bash Bush! Maybe you'll shut these stupid politicians the f*** up... or fuel them, I'm not sure which
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Originally Posted by GreatGrizzly
We are fighting a people that hates us. We have one of the largest militaries in the world. They can strike any where, at any time, any place. Our government goes against their very religion.

The government seems to think that the more insurgents they kill the less the terrorists. Terrorists dont fear death, how is death going to stop them?

For every insurgent that we kill, the wife and son will become one. For every brother we kill, the other brother will become one. You cannot attack a idealogy with bullets, it just wont happen.

America was founded by "Insurgants" We were up against an army that dwarfed our own. They thought that if they sent troops over to quell the uprising, everyone will forget. The Americans didnt forget the want for their own nation. We used guerilla tactics, wearing down the grand british army and navy.

They sent an army to attack an ideology, Freedom for all religions, races, cultures. It didnt work.

And now we are here, fighting a people whos ideology differs from our own.

We cannot force them to think like us. We cannot scare them into thinking like us. We cant hurt them into thinking like us.

All we are doing is turning younger generations hostile to the westerners.

Creating more terrorists, something we dont want to do.

If only the government and the chickenhawks would see this.

We have to change many aspects of our culture to reduce terrorism. We have to show the common peoples of the middle east that we are not demons. We have to show them that they are better off as a westerner. We must teach them that we are not cruel, ruthless.

When they see us on their land, they get mad, when they see us attacking another country for no reason, they think that all the anti-american propaganda is true, that we are devils.

The muslims tell their children how bad the US is, only to be confirmed when someone close to them dies due to a mistake by the US military or a terrorist that is trying to take out our soldiers.

History has shown that military might cannot destroy an ideology.

Military will suppress it, will never get rid of it. And when the military is weak, the ideology that has been suppressed all these years will be released causing normal people to bear arms and fight to the death.

Military wont cut it, how can America show the common people that we are not bad, that the grass is greener on the other side for any man, woman, child that comes over?

How will we defuse the hatred of the western world?

How do we tell them that we are normal people that just want to live our life the best we can, and shed the demonic image that we have gained?


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