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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge

I never said everyone should have a gun, I just said that I don't think your brain was reaching back far enough into history when you made that particular comment.

Yes, we could have survived without guns, but firearms made survival back then much easier. I'm talking about the 15, 16, 1700's, mind you. At a certain point the times changed, but guns never did.

Very well, but guns have changed since then, most noteably in their accuracy, the first types of guns were c*ap, also they were not in the possesion of the average citizen.

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How many firearms pr. head in the civ population of the US?
How many deaths by firearms each year?

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Originally Posted by IR15H

And what gun to you wish to "defend" yourself with? A handgun, designed to kill or the one for shooting paper?

For home defense we have two firearms. My father's is a Beretta 96 Inox chambered in .40 Smith and Wesson. I have a Wilson Combat CQB .45. I keep a firearm in a safe in my closet, since my father is gone on business trips quite often, and I have been shooting since I was 10 years old. We also own a Smith and Wesson Model 41 target pistol chambered in .22 long rifle. If I shot someone in the head with that gun at a distance of 50 yards, they would live.

Those are three of the many firearms owned by my family. If anyone wants to know the others, just let me know.

I have had to pull out a firearm once, although I did not use it. Some jackass was trying to break into my car when I was walking over. I took out the pistol and told him to walk away while he still can. Technically, below the knees isn't deadly force.

Irish, Inryi and I live in the same city. We are both aware of how our mayor's crusade against guns have made crime worse in our fair town. So I suggest you just stop right now with trying to change our minds, it isn't gonna happen.

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of course we all know criminals cant get guns....because the black market and the underground are FAKE!

drug lords with their little militias? FAKE! no way can they own guns, that would be impossible. :uhoh:

gimme a break, once you take the guns away from the law abiding citizens, you give full access to the criminals to do what they want. it's a lame excuse to disarm America...yet people buy it like its the day before Christmas.

and my favourite quote regarding the subject:

‘‘Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.’’
— Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

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Originally Posted by IR15H

No, a guns purpose is to kill, that is what it is designed for, if it were not our soldiers would not be using guns but cars to kill enemy soliders. You might find it difficult to mug/rob someone with a car.

Look at the statistics of gun related crime then compare it to car realted crime (as in deliberate runinng down of people) The guns stats are far higher. This to me sugests that guns help contribute to more violent (and lethal) behaviour. Of course im not suggesting that everyone with a gun is a maniac that wants to kill someone, what I am saying however that it offers a greater and easier temptaion to do so.

Yes but a gun makes it easier to kill people.

I didnt say ban guns, its too late for America, I do think its a bad thing that they were made legal in the first place tho.

You said anyone who wants guns banned also thinks eating animals or deforestation is evil.

:uhh::wtf:

OMG LOOK AT THE STATISTICS!!!!!11 Bah. A guns purpose is NOT TO kill. Its purpose is a tool. Only time somthing is ment to kill is when some one makes it a tool to kill for that person. Meaning EVERYTHING is ment to kill because ANYTHING can be made to kill. Anything purpose can be made to kill.
We humans have a purpose to kill when we need food so guess now your gonna have to ban us since we have a purpose to kill animals when we need food.

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I have nothing against people having firearms, hell, I'm all for it. I do however have something against that the avarage Joe can go down to the local shop and buy himself an assault rifle (no, they don't have to be automatic, lets not take that discussion again ;)) and a handgun without any training in how to handle firearms whatsoever! I don't know about you guys but that would scare the shite out of me.
I know, I always brings this up in firearms discussions, but here you can get a free AK-4 (aka H&K G3) if you want. Does that scare me? No, because to get it you must do atleast the basics in the army.

Btw, does anyone have a "firearms per capita" list? I'd like to see if Sweden has more firearms per capita than USA. I've googled for it but I can't find anything :(.

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A guns purpose is NOT TO kill. Its purpose is a tool.

Indeed. Guns are meant to shoot projectiles at high speed. Not their fault if a projectile just so happens to kill someone... They have just evolved into a weapon of mere killing, which is unfortunate.

Anybody for shooting clay pigeons.. eh?

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I trap shoot all the time. Own a Benelli Montefeltro, a 12 guage semi-automatic field gun. Great for popping orange clay birds. ;)

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My dad did that once in Canada, on a fishing trip. Shot two of them, looked down at the shotgun, said "What the hell am I doing?" and went back inside the cabin.

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I just have a 12 guage shotgun and a 20 guage. My uncle does have a AKA 47 though :) I love that thing. Its sooo nice.