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And what gun to you wish to "defend" yourself with? A handgun, designed to kill or the one for shooting paper?

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Indeed. Its not the thing that we use to kill some one who killed it. Its the person doing it. We ban guns we will be using other things to kill each other like we use to do in the olden days with crossbowls, swords, knife, fire, rocks, and other things.

@IR15H guns are not made to kill some one. They can be use for many things. Hunting for food, defending, and many other things. People who want to ban guns are the same morons that think eating animals is evil and cutting down trees are evil.

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:rofl:

Sorry, but that cracks me up. If eating animals is evil, then every normal carnivore on this planet is evil. Some people are idiots... God didn't give us incisors for no reason! That's another discussion entirely, however...

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I didnt say kill someone, i said to kill. With a gun do you defend yourself by throwing it at them or shooting (and maybe killing) them? The purpose of a car is for transportation, there is a distiction betweent the two. I also object to you calling me a moron and your assumptions on what views I hold over eating animals or deforestation.

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To some one like a killer to them a Car can be made to kill. It all comes down to the person using it. Not "What its made for" but how you use it. Just like good and evil. Use a gun or a car for good or not. Guns don't kill people, its the person using it. No matter what you do we humans will use other things has weapons. Any thing can be made to kill. Like I said before in this thread. There gonna have to ban humans because we are made to kill. Also I wasn't calling you a moron unless you are some one who thinks eating aniamls is evil and cutting down trees are evil.

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Its to late to ban guns in the US, people will find ways to find a nine somewhere. BUT, i do think they need to find better ways to controll and track weapons. No more stupid serial ingraved on the outside of the gun, but in a place where grinding it down would cause the weapon to stop functioning. A permit showing you know how to fire, aim and maintain a weapon. Also anyone with a history abusing alcohol, or violence in general should not be able to buy a gun.

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No, a guns purpose is to kill, that is what it is designed for, if it were not our soldiers would not be using guns but cars to kill enemy soliders. You might find it difficult to mug/rob someone with a car.

Look at the statistics of gun related crime then compare it to car realted crime (as in deliberate runinng down of people) The guns stats are far higher. This to me sugests that guns help contribute to more violent (and lethal) behaviour. Of course im not suggesting that everyone with a gun is a maniac that wants to kill someone, what I am saying however that it offers a greater and easier temptaion to do so.

Yes but a gun makes it easier to kill people.

I didnt say ban guns, its too late for America, I do think its a bad thing that they were made legal in the first place tho.

You said anyone who wants guns banned also thinks eating animals or deforestation is evil.

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I'm going to have to argue with you on this one, on the behalf of history.

Guns were "legal" in the first place because it was almost impossible to survive without them. They were used to fend off wild animals, hunt, and protect yourself from thieves and bandits.

Remember, there hasn't always been a supermarket. Guns have been with us since the birth of our country, and they've been with those of other countries for much longer. Saying they never should have been legal in the first place is saying people should have fended off bears with a stick and a shoe.

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We didnt survive before the invention of guns? It not quite the same, using a gun for hunting and using a gun to "defend" yourself is slightly different. In the UK you are allowed to posess a shotgun or rifle, if you are a member of a home office approved hunting club and you have the required licence. You are not allowed a gun to "defend" yourself. Many other countries that used guns for hunting have imposed stricter laws than those in America, to me allowing everyone to have a gun seems slightly stupid, sorry. Its like saying every country should be able to possess nuclear weapons, to "defend themselves", something that the US government trys hard to stop, this is a contradiction of allowing everyone to "defend" themselves.

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I never said everyone should have a gun, I just said that I don't think your brain was reaching back far enough into history when you made that particular comment.

Yes, we could have survived without guns, but firearms made survival back then much easier. I'm talking about the 15, 16, 1700's, mind you. At a certain point the times changed, but guns never did.