Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Well if you ask me i think Bush junior really f*cked it up but thats just my oppinion.
Clinton may have had an affair and stuff but atleast he helped his fellow americans instead of making war against every country he could find.
And dont you think it is strange that when Bush senior was president, Irak makes war against koeweit (ok thats Saddam's fault), when clinton is president everything is calm and suddenly when Bush junior is president, Irak starts making trouble again.
Dont get me wrong its great that he attacked Afganistan and Irak, Saddam was a very bad president but now that those wars are over he can better start focussing on other things than war, like for instance...better protection against hurricanes, signing the Kyoto pact, ...

What do you guys think??

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I dunno about Clinton either, he did authorize that Somalia thing.

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It's a shame about the controversy about Clinton. When people think of Clinton they'll think of that, rather than all the peace plans he helped put in place. He was instrumental in putting peace in with the Israelis and Palestinians, for a short time anyway. Either way Clinton was the more responsible president, and who cares if he got some head on the side.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

That's what I've been saying. I could care less if he was cheating on his wife, my concern is how he runs the country.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Clinton is the lesser of evils.

That doesn't make him good or anything, mind you. He's still a politician.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

I'v been off duty for what? a month and joke threads are allowed in the pub now? Clinton is the better choice, he was not lining his pockets with money unlike bush with his wars.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Clinton was the best this country's ever seen. All scandals aside, his years in office were some of the best, ever. Besides, it's nice to have the occasional adultery to spice it up a bit, don't you think?

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Weather report: expect some serious Democrat vs. Republican fight (again) and Clinton & Bush bashing.

I say Clinton and I mostly agree with Jeffro: it wasn't that big issue for me that Clinton cheated his wife. What is far more important is how he did his work and I think he did that relatively good.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Slick Willie.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

I really can't see this thread going anywhere. To conservatives as supporters of the war on Iraq, W. Bush will be the best choice because he embodies their ideals. To leftisists and people opposed to the war in Iraq, Clinton would be the embodiment of their ideals, and their choice. For moderates, Bush Sr. as the only moderate president other than Eisenhower in the 20th century would be viewed as the best choice. To be fair, it's too early to judge these presidents because they cannot be judged from a contemporary perspective without bias, nor can they be judged by their lasting contributions. W. Bush still has 3 years left in office. Clinton has only been out of office for 4 years, Bush Senior a little over a decade. Issues then are still very close to issues now. These aren't presidents that fought for, and implemented policies that have long since been accepted, these presidents faced issues that are still as hotly contested today as they were during their terms.
edit: I voted for Bush Sr. W. Bush is still in office, and IMO Clinton is overated, for the most part because he is given too much credit for the prosperity of the 90s. To give him most of the credit without regarding those who came before him and played a significant role in the boom would be the same as to credit Harding with the prosperity of 20s, quite a statement considering the fact that Harding is the most inept, and worst president ever (those of you the cry Bush and quote this, remember this: Bush has not been the president in any major scandals, none of them involving the sale of the oil reserves for the US navy). To consider harding as the source of prosperity would be to ignore the actions of Teddy Roosevelt (brought monopolies under control, strengthening competition and removing corruption, not to mention being a very good leader) and Wilson (the Federal Reserve. Taft was ignored because, despite his action program of dollar diplomacy, making the US gov responcible for spreading buisiness, he didn't accomplish anything). The same applies to the 90s, the policies of Reagan and Bush Sr. created the boom, only this time the policies of Clinton managed to competently deal with the boom (rather than the policies of Harding which may have been a chief cause of the Great Depression).

edit: I voted for Bush Sr. W Bush is still in office, and, IMO, Clinton is overrated, for the most part because he is given too much credit for the prosperity of the 90s. To give him most of the credit without regarding those who came before him and played a significant role in the boom would be the same as to credit Harding with the prosperity of 20s, quite a statement considering the fact that Harding is the most inept, and worst president ever (those of you the cry Bush and quote this, remember this: Bush has not been the president in any major scandals, none of them involving the sale of the oil reserves for the US navy). To consider Harding as the source of prosperity would be to ignore the actions of Teddy Roosevelt (brought monopolies under control, strengthening competition and removing corruption, not to mention being a very good leader) and Wilson (the Federal Reserve. Taft was ignored because, despite his action program of dollar diplomacy, making the US gov responsible for spreading business, he didn't accomplish anything). The same applies to the 90s, the policies of Reagan and Bush Sr. created the boom, only this time the policies of Clinton managed to competently deal with the boom (rather than the policies of Harding which may have been a chief cause of the Great Depression).

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Bush junior is the worst president in the US history

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Clinton, he has the smallest list of mistakes/errors on his names and the most good ones so i will go with him. However you can not compare presidents 100% because they all lead their country in different times under different circumstances.

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Clinton, by far, people think of him and they think of the scandal, yet he was hands down one of the best we ever got....

I feel sorry for him, because of how the republicans slandered him....

the worst would be bush junior

i would rate senior as ok

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Clinton is an idiot, and was so during his presidency.

1. Somalia, I wish the families of the Rangers, Pararescuers, and Delta Force could have 5 minutes alone with Clinton in a room. We had no business in Somalia. He has the blood of our soldiers on his hands for a totally worthless purpose. Don't start a flame war about Iraq for the #th time.
2. His scandal with Lewinsky.
3. He was impeached by the House of Representatives
4. Could have saved thousands of lives by taking Osama Bin Laden when offered.
5. He failed to do anything about Saddam Hussein.
6. Even though you all say he helped take peace to the Middle East, as far as I know they've been fighting for half a dozen decades (Israel and Palestine; the time in more recent terms, they've been enemies for much longer).

I have to get offline, otherwise I'd continue typing.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

at least bush jr diddnt go around getting his dick sucked by other wemon and raping girls, at least he diddnt LIE to the whole country and cheat on his wife, at least he can RAISE his fucking kids where they go and get freaking drunk at bar like chelsy clinton did. people have opinions, i respect that, but bush jr is a much better president. and im not saying that cause im a republican, im saying that because clinton pardoned a bunch of criminals, and diddnt even care about terrorism and stoping it. he was too busy traveling the world have a fucking feild day. his 8 year vacation cost the conuntrys reputation and hes a peice of shit. Bush jr actually caught sudam hussain...OMFG !!! SWEET WE GOT THAT ASSHOLE. he was like, killing his own people, not giving money to their, what you would call, a government. its only a matter of time until we find osama bin fuck hole and end this thing. iraq now has a constitution, has its own government, we helped them all from certian death from there communist and dictator-like sudam. were on the right freaking track, the democrats need to STFU and accept it, the sooner we all come togther and solve this thing the sooner we all get what we want. bush isnt trying to go to war with every country, were trying to help innocent people by attacking terrorism. have your forgotten 2 fucking planes flew into the world trade center, im glad people, im sorry, imj glad pussys like you arent president. someone has to kick ass or else the world will get over run from bad people. bush jsut got stuck in a rough situation. forgive me i dont remember who was president when WWI was, but he did the freaking right thing by taking out hitlar. same thing here, we have to kick their ass or else they would have gotten WMD's. thank god we diddnt find any, we got there before they could. the world, especially iraq is a better place now thanks to bush. SO FUCK OFF LIBERAL FUCKHEAD. SOO...SHUTTT..THE FUCCKKKK...UPPP!!!!!! IM SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE RANTING AT THEIR OWN PRESIDENT, SURE I JUST RANTED AT CLINTON, BUT I HAD A JUST CAUSE.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

[quote=amoreelitesoldier]Clinton is an idiot, and was so during his presidency.

1. Somalia, I wish the families of the Rangers, Pararescuers, and Delta Force could have 5 minutes alone with Clinton in a room. We had no business in Somalia. He has the blood of our soldiers on his hands for a totally worthless purpose. Don't start a flame war about Iraq for the #th time.[quote]
I though it was Bush Sr. who sent in troops at the end of his term to provide humanitarian aid.
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So easy to say in hindsight. Every single president there has been could have done something that might have saved lives.

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Why did anything need to be done? He did not present a direct threat to the US. What was he going to do, roll his tanks across the Atlantic seafloor?

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I have a feeling this is going to be just like Iraq then, except internal fighting in this case. Peace isn't easy to achieve.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Why? Because if we bring up Iraq then it is shown that you have no point? I wish the families of all 1,800+ American soldiers who are dead could have 5 minutes alone with Bush in a room. We had no business in Iraq. Which is worse, 24 dead or 1800?

But in that time there was the agreement made at Camp David, where a cease fire was put in place. Then, just as Clinton was leaving office, Ariel Sharon sparked riots when he entered a Muslim holy site. In the 5 years that Bush has had, he has done nothing to try and bring peace to the region. Instead he's brought more havoc by invading Iraq and made an already fragile region into a hell hole.

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I feel sorry for the citizens who get bombed daily on the streets...

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*cough*Iraq*cough*

hmm he had an affair with some woman. ohhh such a bad man he was! :rolleyes:


Which had republican majority.
He wasnt impeached by the senate, he was acquitted of all charges thus he was not kicked out of office

Well since you where obviously there :rolleyes:

because he wasnt a threat

i guess thats all his fault too :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by amoreelitesoldier 1. Somalia, I wish the families of the Rangers, Pararescuers, and Delta Force could have 5 minutes alone with Clinton in a room. We had no business in Somalia. He has the blood of our soldiers on his hands for a totally worthless purpose. Don't start a flame war about Iraq for the #th time.

Somalia was a UN peacekeeping mission, as a permanent member of the security council, it was our duty to be there. What he did screw up on was he denied requests for additional equipment (IIRC, AC-130s and M4 Bradleys) so when the shit hit the fan, the only tools for rescue where a handful of blackhawks and littlebirds, and some HMMWVs; not the ideal equipment to run through streets filled with hundreds of people with AK-47s and RPGs nor provide adequate aerial suppressing fire. He committed the fatal error of not letting the military decide what they need to do and have to get it done, a lesson that should have been learned in Vietnam
The way I feel about the whole scandal is that it was blown out of proportion; yes he lied under oath and committed perjury, but it was no ones business to investigate him for cheating in the first place. I think he got what he deserved once he committed perjury, an impeachment with no conviction and being branded as a liar, but he didn't deserve to be removed from office.[/B]

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Originally Posted by Master of Reality Why? Because if we bring up Iraq then it is shown that you have no point? I wish the families of all 1,800+ American soldiers who are dead could have 5 minutes alone with Bush in a room. We had no business in Iraq. Which is worse, 24 dead or 1800?

Seeming as you bring up the issue of Iraq, while worshipping Clinton consider Kosovo:
Clinton, and NATO, acted without the approval of the UN to go in and stop a genocide. IMO, this was probably heavily influenced by the events in Rwanda, and the failure of the UN to prevent the genocide that occured there. The only problem, after the fighting was over and done with the body count reached in the mid hundreds (600 deaths were proven to have been attributed to Milosevic, and are what he is charged for). The total body count was around 2,500, however many of those could not be determined if they were massacred or simply killed in combat, hence the figure of 600 is used. More civilians have been confirmed killed by the aerial bombardment conducted by NATO that have been found; something which can not be claimed to have occurred in Iraq. That may be a lot of people, but it was not the huge genocide that was used to justify the war, nor does there appear to be any indication that the deaths were a result of a policy of ethnic cleansing not just simple blind war crimes or political executions. Don't get me wrong, Milosevic was a bastard and deserves to rot in jail for those deaths, but if people can complain about Iraq being unjustified because the reason of stashes of WMDs was false, and flame Bush because of this, they should not hold the double standard by worshiping Clinton who did the exact same thing.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Allow me to wiegh in on amoreeltiesoldier's post as well:
1st, the Somalia thing: Forces were sent into Somalia as one of Bush Sr.'s last acts as PotUS. It was to support peacekeeping and to quell chaos. So in other words, a good thing. Less than 50 Rangers and Delta Force died during the entire operation in Somalia, and people in the Rangers and SOFD-D are not ones who are afraid to fight in the tough situations.
2 Lewinsky: It can be considered sexual harassment, but that hardly affected his governing capabilities.
3, Impeached: Yes, but they did not find him guilty of the orignal charge, only perjury(lying under oath) . He was not booted out of the Whitye House, as so many Republicans wanted
4,OBL: The source for this offer is unreliable if you are getting it from where I think you are, I want to see some links! And he also prevented many terrorist attacks that were planned.
5, Saddam: He was not a threat to the USA at that time, and although an evil tyrant, he kept a etremist-free house.
6, Israel-PLO beef: This has been going on since 1948 and then some, has anyone else done anything about it?
Oh, and thanks for bringing up Kosovo. That is one of my favorite things about Clinton. He got good intel he got good support, and he kicked ass with very few casualties

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Not afraid to die, who is not afraid to die? Tell me. Just because they are 'elite' soldiers, that doesn't mean that they are not afraid to die.

An set that aside for a moment, what does not being afraid of dying have to do with anything? "Ok, you're not afraid to die, so I'm going to send you to fight and die for me, yaddah, yaddah."

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Oh, sorry, maybe I should have chosen better words. They are used to tough situations, and know that they go in where other people can't do it. Even with more training and experience, it is, shall we say, difficult jobs that they do, with a higher chance of being KIA

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Under Clinton:
-Osama Escaped...at least once
-Had an affair with a hippo
-Signed dozens of bills which would come due after his term
-Pardoned dozens of criminals in his final hours
-Called "the first black President" ...*
-Failed to act when the USS Cole was bombed
-Failure to act when the World Trade Center was bombed in '93 (Found 6 people, tried and convicted them, case closed)
-Failure in Somolia to "punish those responsible" for those who killed an American and dragged thru the streets...in fact, pulled out 6 days later
-In '98 al-Qaeda attacks U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. President Clinton promises to hunt and punish those responsible. Two weeks later he chooses an aspirin factory in Sudan to launch cruise missiles against, and then thinks 'its all good'
-August, 2002, NewsMax.com releases audio of Frmr President Clinton admitting he had the chance to take Osama bin Laden into custody, but he nixed the idea because he couldn't come up with a legal justification

http://www.highvolumemedia.com/thebu...ntonsFailures/

Under Bush:
-The worst terrorist attack in the Nation's History occured. Bush reacted far Better than Clinton ever would by beginning a systamatic war on terrorist-harboring countries.
*-Bush actually increased spending to help poor people, moreso than Clinton ever did, thus making him more of a "black President" than Clinton
-Bush Invades Iraq to liberate people from Saddam's rule, under the possibility of him having WMD's, and to enforce UN resolutions which ordered an immediate surrender of Saddam.
-The border situation continues to get worse
http://www.moderateindependent.com/v1i3inept.htm
-More has been done to disrupt terrorist groups under Bush than Clinton

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

I would adivse asking someone who doesn't either A) have an axe to grind, or B) Asking someone involved in Counter-terrorism during both 42+43 president's terms

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Any way you want to put it, Clinton F'd up badly in the area of homeland security. He did very little to ever retaliate against the terrorists who attacked us when he had the chance. He had a direct chance to blow Osama to hell and back and he lost it. And that mistake may have cost 3,000 lives.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Again, I ask you to ask someone who has been a CT during both administrations. Clinton did more than Bush, but he did it quietly. So the USS Cole was bombed (I was annoyed by that one). The WTC was bombed in '93, a few days after Clinton had been sworn in. What else happened to us?

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I'm a Conservative, but Bush has been pissing me off for the last couple of years. I thought Clinton was a great speaker, but I disagreed with him most of the time.

None of them have really been great presidents. All of them have had their faults as well as strengths. But honestly, I think the last two have sucked. I could go into detail, but I'm not in the mood to go dig up all the dirt on everybody.

There hasn't been a president I've really liked since Reagan. And before that, (though it was before my time) I don't think I like any of them until you get to Kennedy.

I do think It's funny though how most Conservatives here will defend everything Bush does, and most Liberals do the same with Clinton. Blind devotion will just keep you in the dark. Hard as it sometimes can be with all the biased media often being our sole source of info, try to be truly objective.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

I agree with Great Grizzly 100%

Im sure Clinton is not the first Politician to ever get a blowjob in office, hes just the first one to get caught.

The US did not take Osama at the time he was offered to the US because he was not on the wanted list. He was on a watch list to keep and eye on him but he was not wanted at that time.

Why should Clinton have done anything about Saddam? Clinton was following diplomatic channels and letting the UN inspectors do their job.

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do i even need to say my answer, you all know me.......


anyway, Clinton SHOULD have taken Osama, he is a TERRORIST, if Clinton cared at all about US security, he would take anychance he had to get him

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

when there nothing else to make fun of, go for the typos. i wasnt born yesterday, nor is english my first language. (iv got t3h micr0 and as you notice i dont capaitolize, spell right, i have run on sentances, omfg english nazi shoot me.... :( ) oh ya, to stay on topic. because i KNOW how much stalker jsut freaking hates that...

bush was better. simply.

clinton had the chance to get osama, to get sudam, before 9/11. thanks to him... i think he should be in jail.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Meh, I vote Reagan.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

I guess The Current Bush.. its ok

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Blood n Goods made a lot of good statements in this thread (sorry, I can't give you reputation again). Clinton was not an angel and Bush is not the Devil. Clinton also did some bad things. But he was just cleverer and masked them (besides the insignificant sexual affair).

On the other hand Clinton didn't alienate the rest of the world and isolated the USA as Bush junior did.
As a European, I suppose Clinton was at least better than the Bush family.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Well give me list of presidents who had affairs in office then used his power to try to cover it up. You personal life tells alot about how good a leader you are.

But this was after the first bombing on the trade center and the embacies in Africa, both were linked to Osama.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

International relations by far outweigh homeland defense.

Having your allies and the world on your side will do so much more than a few thousand more troops or more military spending on shiny toys.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Sex and the White House

As Graham Hill reports, Bill Clinton is not alone among US presidents in having a wandering eye.
President Clinton may face calls for his resignation and even impeachment over his affair with Monica Lewinsky, but he is in fact carrying on a tradition that dates back to America's first president 200 years ago.
George Washington was linked to a woman named Mary Gibbons.
Another American hero, Thomas Jefferson, was widely believed to have had a long love affair with his black slave and to have had several children with her.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/165000...washington.jpg
George Washington: original sinner
This century, Woodrow Wilson had a long relationship with Mary Hulbert Peck, who divorced her husband.
Warren Harding, president in the 1920's, was a compulsive adulterer. For 15 years he carried on an affair with the wife of a friend and then, when he took office, he began a relationship with Nan Britton, 30 years his junior.
He was reported to be in the habit of making love to her in a White House broom cupboard.
Franklin Roosevelt had affairs with his secretary, 'Missy' Le Hand and also with Crown Princess Marta of Norway, who lived at the White House during World War Two .
Dwight Eisenhower, president in the 1950s, had an illicit love affair with Kay Summersby, his driver during the war.
Kennedy's romps
However, all of their infidelities pale in comparison with those of John F Kennedy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/165000..._monroe_Bw.jpg
Marilyn Monroe: sang Happy Birthday to her presidential lover
His sex drive, which some have put down as a side-effect to treatment he was receiving for Addison's Disease, was seemingly awesome.
JFK's many conquests included the film stars Marilyn Monroe and Angie Dickinson, a stripper 'Blaze' Starr and Judith Exner Campbell, who was also the mistress of a Chicago mobster, Sam Giancana.
The Arthur of Washington's "Camelot" also cavorted with two of his secretaries in the White House pool.
Since then there have been strenuously-denied rumours about Richard Nixon and, more recently, George Bush, having affairs.
Is power an aphrodisiac?
So what is the relationship between sex and power? Carey Cooper, a professor of psychology at Manchester University, says they are two sides of the same coin.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/165000...nnedy_1962.jpg
John F Kennedy: serial adulterer
"I think there is a reciprocal relationship because what you have in terms of sex and power is that you have people - usually women - attracted to power in the first place.
"And you have powerful men who on a day-to-day basis are making important decisions who also start exercising the power in other areas of their lives - in sexual relationships.
"Politics attracts people with a high degree of energy who demonstrate this characteristic in a number of ways, including in the sexual arena. We see this historically in all sorts of societies."
Changing attitudes
However, in the past a president's peccadilloes usually remained secret - at least until his death. Unfortunately for Mr Clinton this is no longer the case.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/165000...150clinton.jpg
Bill Clinton: no escaping scandal
Professor Cooper says society's attitudes to what leaders get up to in their spare time have also changed.
"The general view now, in contrast to the past, is that the private and public areas are not seen as separate - one is regarded as affecting the other.
"The credibility of a political leader can be affected if he is engaged in private behaviour which society now judges to be immoral or inappropriate."
September 9, 1998
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/cl...ure/167068.stm

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But did they use their power to cover it up? Also, when all of those happened there was not alot of media attention of the president's personal life aside from kennedy. He did a good job of covering it up, and the media, aside from tabloids would never put that in their newspapers in the 60's

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

I have a lot I could say, but I won't. We have to wait for Dubya's term to at least end to make accurate judgement. Preferably wait like 20 years so that we can look back and see how policies he put in place and actions he took turned out. It's pointless to debate this now.

About the scandals, I will say this: media had too much respect for the President to ever do something like that to Kennedy. Clinton actually caused deaths by ordering bombings and air strikes against Iraq during Senate hearings to take public attention away from his scandal. That's all I am going to say on that.

Anyway, I think my days of getting really involved in left vs. right political arguments are over (on this and other internet forums at least).

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Tap is right, people really didnt get a good look as to how good Reagan was, until anout twenty years later...

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Exactly, Reagan was just as unpopular as Bush is now. When he rejected the USSR in Reykjavik, Iceland people critisized him for being crazy and throwing away our chance for peace. But Gorbachev said years later that that was when he knew the USSR was doomed to fall.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

I was just pointing out your behavior: calling us retards when you can't even spell properly. I'm not being a grammar Nazi. If I was being a Grammar Nazi, you'd know.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Yea. I didnt see that before. 1337cshacker, if you want to flame get your ass in the melee.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Maybe because Bush is on his 'I dominate the world so I can do what I want' phase.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

dominate the world?? if you believe that you seriously have problems, true he is the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet, but he doenst "dominate the world", nor does he want to

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

No, but seriously, are you ok man? You sound like your being taken in by too much propaganda.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

seeing the second spoiler tag instantly made it not worth my time

Hitler wanted to dominate the world, he mass murdered 7 million people to attempt it....Bush on the other hand is attempting to STOP, key word STOP people like that, and bring democracy to an area that hasnt had it. You may or may not agree with Bush, i really dont care what you believe

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

I was refering to you being taken in by this man, not him being Hitler.

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

Bush adopted STALKER?

:0wned:

Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush?
 

I agree with him, not on everything. I'm not "brainwashed" or anything either. I also didnt say he was hitler.


EDIT: @ Tap, yeah...hanging out with the Bush Twins :naughty: