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Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Yes Grizzly, he was not impeached by the Senate, because impeachment power lies with the House! You can pretty much guess who I voted for. I'll tell you all why, but I'm getting ready to whip *TRA* in a match this evening. |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? ....yes...the brunette...barbara...so hot. I have some funny pictures... edit - USMA what clan are you in? I used to play for *TRA* a long time ago when they were short (used to be friends with their leader). Kicked everyones ass times I played for em. /spam |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? 130th Panzer Lehr. Hell, since when did you play Forgotten Hope? |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? I pwn at FH son. Now hand me my rifle. |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? OFF TOPICNESS!!!!!! Like tap said earlier, right now.......everyone has different opinions, lets wait and see what the history books say in 20 years |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? [spam=Tap]Way to spam STALKER.[/spam] yes let us frolic and dance in celebration at the absence of Pub moderation. I mean. I can tell you right now that Clinton did more harm than good. The only good thing that happened with him was an economic boom that would have happened regardless because it was caused by policies set in motion my Bush Sr. In fact, the boom may have been even bigger if it weren't for Clinton...and his...sex scandal. |
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Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? I would but I just moved and the only CD I have is my BF2 disc. Everything else is in storage at the moment. Bummer. I might just go out and buy BF42 again instead of wait to dig it out of the box (only like $12 now). I've been FH nostalgic lately. And I haven't played it since I started with BF2 so I'd need some game time to get my ownage un-rusted. I see your a tanker. Never was that good with vehicles - ground pounder always. My screenname was -s2-Tap or -s2-l2o'clokTap maybe you saw me a while ago (?). I used to play/pwn everyday. And times were good. |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Seriously, wtf? This isnt general gaming!! At the point about Osama, he want actually public enemy number 1 at the time. Also, as someone said, Clinton had no legal backing to haul him in. It would have looked pretty bad, they would have had to let Osama go, and he would have just been even more pissed at the US. |
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Learn how to form a proper argument for once, rather than just shooting your mouth off with the first brainless idea that pops into your head. I am well aware of what happened on 9/11. However, things could have been worse. Why dont you go think about that, and go read a book on how to debate whilst you're doing so. |
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Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? dont the pool speak for me |
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Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Wow, that was informative...... Which Bush? Why do you prefer Clinton, why do you dislike Bush? Some more thought into your post would be great. |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? ummm...It's Peter Griffin from Family Guy. You really can't make fun of that. and you can't really call someone a loser when you can't even spell the word correctly. |
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Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Right, so did the Senate impeach him? No, the House did, then it was brought to the Senate floor and dismissed. You proved his point for him. |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? The point im trying to prove is the "well he was impeached!" argument is not valid |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Yeah, well you are probably right but I am just commenting on what you quoted [before you edited the post] and what you posted. |
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Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? i was defining impeachment for everyone, and why its not a valid excuse but my posts are often misinterpreted anyways :rolleyes: |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? anyway, back on topic.... ive been thinking (oh n0es!) and ill tell you this, I did like Clinton for one reason, made Jay Leno worth watching..... EDIT: Riles deleted some posts, now half of mine made no sense!!! :( |
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Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? True, the comedy shows make fun of ALL presidents, no matter who they are, if Kerry was President, they would make fun of him....its what they do |
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No person of power is immune from being put into commedy, at lest we get a good laugh from it:). Another thing: The media as biased at it may seem(at lest to liberals) does a good job of informing people about our leaders, helping us make better choices. |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? O'Reilly isn't funny... |
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Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? One of two. Nixon was never impeached, he resigned before they could start the process. The only other presidend impeached was Andrew Johnson, Lincoln's Vice President. After the civil war congress was very Republican,and hell bent on punishing the South and giving the freed slaves rights. Johnson was a Northern Democrat, put up as Lincoln's running mate in 1864 to gain the support of more Northern Democrats, who vetoed much of congress's progressive legislature. Their clash was inevitable, luckily for the sake of justice the charges didn't stick. What congress did was wrong because they overstepped their powers, but I can only imagine how much better off the US would have been back then, and in the 60's, had Lincoln been around after the Civil War. The way I see it, Clinton committed perjury by lying under oath, so he deserved to be branded as a liar and impeached; however since he never should have been placed under oath in the first place because it was no one's business, he shouldn't have been convicted, nor was he. Thus, IMO, justice was served. He shouldn't have been interrogated, but still he shouldn't have lied under oath. |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Did you just not read? Impeachment means nothing, its an accusation, it is not a verdict or sentence |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? uhhh... Andrew Jackson deserved to be impeached. The specific act that lead to his impeachment was when he fired the Secretary of State for cooperating with the Republicans which violated the Tenure of Office Act. http://www.impeach-andrewjohnson.com...rewJohnson.htm And Crazy Wolf, impeachment is an accusation but it can lead to you being kicked out of office in the most dishonorable way possible so I think it's safe to say it's a little more than just an accusation. |
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Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Let me correct myself: I said Andrew Jackson in my previous post, I meant to say Andrew Johnson. |
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Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Good point amoreelite, but no need to shout. other politicians have had their careers ruined for much less serious things. Ducacous (however you spell it) had his career ruined by riding in a tank for gods sake. |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Clinton:cool: |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? ....would you care to elaborate? |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? I'm going to have to reverse myself on the stance of impeaching Clinton. I originally thought that he was placed under oath in an investigation into the Lewinsky affair, thus the investigation was baseless because they had no grounds to do so. It turns out that I was wrong, and that it was in a separate trial on sexual harassment that he denied the Lewinsky affair while under oath and committed perjury. Impeachment of a president or any public official is supposed to be conducted on the grounds of high crimes or misdemeanor, so he should have been removed from office. Then again, if that had happened, Al Gore would have become president and following the pattern that no president has ever been voted out of office with unemployment below 5.8%, he probably would have been reelected in 2000. |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Bush Jr. Sucks, Bush Snr. Sucks, Clinton Sucks, Republicans Suck, Democrats Suck, Hence America Sucks! Honestly who cares what a man does in his bedroom (clinton), was it really worth spending millions and millions of dollars of tax payers money on investigating Clinton? Hell no. Not that the money would have been used more wisely if it weren't spent on investigating Clinton. |
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Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? The big deal is not that he had an affair. The big deal is that he was under investigation for crimes of sexual harrassment and he lied under oath, which is a very serious crime in itself. |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Clinton seemed to do better than bush's doing. Who cares if he had sex with someone other than his wife, if anything, good for him, Hilary Clinton deserves to die. |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Well, Clinton didn't put us in poor relations w/ other countries and $500 bil. of debt, Bush sucks:mad: . CLinton wins! |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Clinton seems to be doing better, because he DID NOTHING ....... |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? he did plenty, he just doesnt turn it into a PR stunt like bush does |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? PR stunt?? You are mistaken, everything Bush does is blasted over the world by the liberal medai, they didnt blast everything Clintion did because Clinton is a liberal |
Re: Who was the better american president: Clinton or Bush? Clinton managed to do some things. He raised taxes. He attempted to reform healthcare, but failed when he appointed Hillary as the head of the committee of reform. The reform plan was shot down for being too complex. He passed a gun control bill, banning assault weapons. There was the incident in Somalia, and he lead NATO in an action against Kosovo that was every bit as illegal in the eyes of international law as the war in Iraq (IMO still justified by the removal of Milosevic and the 600 people he is charged with killing, but for anyone that claims Iraq as unjustified and a reason for not voting for W Bush, they should vote for Bush Sr. since he was the only one of the three who took military action through the UN). He committed perjury, and was impeached for it. Most of the reason that Clinton didn't accomplish that much was he was overly ambitious in his reform plans. In his first term, he barely had a majority in congress. In his second term, he didn't have one. He thought he had a mandate from the people for liberal reform when he really only had a slim majority to pass it with the first term, and not even one in his second term. If he had focused on middle ground legislation that both sides could agree on or compromise over, he might have had more success. |
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