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At the ripe age of 17 I have come to the conclusion that I will never have the opportunity to marry, I've accepted that, but I still feel that I must attempt to pass any moral convictions I have on to those I feel close to here to try to keep them in a safe and moral relationships, most notably, to keep my fellow christians here on the right path, as some are known to wander.

Since I have given up on my own relationships, females [and guys who need to know about females] here come to me for help and I provide for them a moral and emotional confidont. However, I am quite sure that you are right, I will never be in a relationship so long as I live and will spend my days alone, but that's something I've come to accept as a truth, not simply a curse.

If I may say so, that's total and complete bullshit. If your intentions were as notable (if not cold) as to the preservation of our race there would be no birthcontrol involved. Sex has been purverted into something of baseless pleasuring between youth and adults who are not emotially connected, not a consumation of a wonderful undying relationshop, or even an act of emotionless race preservation as you so noted.

Even in the animal kingdom, though rare, monogomous relationships do, infact, exist. The resulting offspring benefits from having a second guardian. Also, the mother benefits from the experience, as it's health is not so terribly struck down. The same here is true of humanistic relationships, leave a mother to care for her child alone will cause her pain and anguish, as well as emotionally insecure. Now somethig as noble as race preservation would not come to that end, as humans are one of the races who are ment to have a lasting monogomous relationship, not an apple seed spreading experience. This is something I'm sure you are quite aware of, if only too consumed by the world's influence to realize consciously.

Sexuality, you should note, IS ment to have an emotional impact. As an efficient if not simplistic example, take a continuum, a line straight accross. On the one extreme you have the christian virgin (doesn't have to be christian, I'm just using that for statistical reasons a christian is less likely to submit to sexual immorality, but are by far immune, as I know oh too many who have fallen). This christian has taken abstinance to heart, and for them, this sexual relationship is ment to be one of closeness and intimacy between those two who are so pure in their love and emotional comfort for one another that is unmeasurable. For this person to give themselves physically to another human being would be the ultimate testimate of their undying devotion and love to this person, showing how special to them their partner truely is, that they would give themselves fully emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and physically to the love of their life, their spouse, the person they have made a commitment to spend the rest of their life with.

Now take a look at the other end of this spectrum we have. On this extreme, we have a porn star (a steriotypical extreme but it shall fit my purpose, prostitute, pimp, whatever would work here as well). For this one, sexuality is nothing more than a pleasing experience, something not to be taken to heavily, just an addiction that gives physical pleasure. For them, giving themselves physically has lost all of its emotional connotations once held so dear. To offer their body to another is not an undying testimant, a special bond, far from it. Instead it simply shows an emotional calice, a coldness of the spirit, one who is alive in body, but dead in spirit. They will never again now the meaning, the true specialness that they can give or receive, they will never now emotional closeness, only worldly pleasure. This person would marry for someone they find physically and worldly pleasing, not someone who shines morally or is more than the shell that gives them pleasure. For this person the closeness and love known by the morally pure is lost, and will never be experienced in any form.

If that is too extreme of an example, I'll go a less distant on that end of the spectrum (but not by much); Hollywood. Hollywood is worldly pleaures incarnate. Taken at a moment's notice by the attractiveness or even the shallowly pleasing personality, this person lives as they work. Unlike the pornography star, this being would not give themselves to anyone, instead they would make their physical offering to those who appease them on the surface (our more shallow emotions not born of passionate feelings are part of the surface, not just the physical appearance as is often its figurehead). Slightly less of an evil, but an evil none the less. As they look to the shallowness of a person -- their 0utward self, that which they allow the world to see instead of true self inside -- they never truely understand the deepness of each other's soul. As a result, after there consumation, and later wedlock, they get the briefest glimpse of that which lies beneath, and don't understand it, they fear it. The person they begin to see is not the person they knew not so long ago. As they no longer know one another, a rift is forged between them of their own shallowness and deepness conflicting. This breaks their physical and base emotional ties, spliting their relationship all together. This is why the stereotypical Hollywood marriage only lasts a short while and no true bonds are ever formed.

Argue as you may, sexuality was ment to be a bond between those who are one; the ultimate testimant of their undying devotion and love.

And for the record, do not think am so presumtuous as to "come down from the heavens" to teach those "lesser" than I how to carry themselves. Far from it. Morality is such an important aspect of humanity to me because I myself have often been known to fall prey to the most detestable of my non passionate feelings; lust. It is something that I detest of myself every weaking moment of my life. I speak not only to chastise you and the acts of the world at large, but in turn to chastise myself.

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Right lets start at the top and work our way down.
As I'm aware you consider everything we've just said as complete and utter bullshit 'if our intentions were as notable' (you meant to say noble I take it?) 'as the preservation of our race there would be no birth control involved.'
It's not an, intention as such its more a natural leaning towards sexual intimacy that has evolved as a part of humans' make up, it's not strictly meant as a conscious intention it's more of a background urge I imagine.
You might call it lust, (that sinful desire ;),) so you must have noticed its presence.

You give an example of Christian-- well a 'pure Christian person' (oh how amazingly righteous,) so let's say they've never been sexually intimate with another and have a perfectly pure heart and when they give themself to someone it means something special to them. And then you give an example of the other end of the spectrum where it doesn't really mean anything to them and it's just become, well, reduced to the mechanics of the act if you will.

Now it is-- It may be true that it's different for the person who's only doing it for their first time and the person it's become a business transaction to all intents and purposes to. But, that's not really having any bearing on what it's meant to be, infact it shows that it's not meant to be anything at all because they have each chosen to make it something with their actions rather than it being something automaticaly. See, their relationships are different, if it was meant to be something emotional and special then it would be, but it's not emotional and special for both of them, it's only emotional and special for one of them. That's bassed more upon the personality of the person that's involved in the mechanics of the act rather than the nature of the act itself.
It's the social conditions involved in the education, raising and welfare of the people involved that dictate the nature and emotions connected to the act rather than that this was simply the way it was meant to be.

Edit: I would also like to add at this juncture that throwing disparagements upon whoever the second person chooses to marry as nothing more than 'the shell that gives them pleasure' is complete bullshit. How dare you assume to judge that person in that manner just by association?

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Although i dont believe in sex before marriage, it would make me hypocrytical, i think you should try and save your virginity till you get married, but i wasnt that strong so uh...:kissme:

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I almost finished those last two posts, i'm lazy, sorry.

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All i have to say in return is.

People can have hot, steaming sex without having a strong relationship, just doing it for fun. There is nothing wrong with that, your asumption that people who have casual sex are emotionless pits of darkness is simply flawed. They can form a relation just like you holy no-sex-before-remariage types can, they just dont see it as a requirement.

Stop writing poetry and face up to the facts, at 17 you are NOT at a ripe age, fuck, im 19 and i realise i got much to learn.

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Good post!
I really can't blame him though, he has never had a relationship or sex so his views are flawed and are of someone elses.
he has time.

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Well, still people saying that we constantly fuck everything to promote the survival of the species are partially correct (hence why sex is fun, its an encouragement). However, the actual survival of the species is a a bit more complicated and humans have evolved to couple together to protect their child to maturity, which can be several years.

Marriage is something that Society evolved to facilitate this process. It keeps parents together so they can raise more children effectively.

However, it's still not written in stone that promiscuity or pre-marital sex is wrong though.

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Pssh... isnt this almost exactly JUST like the "teens and sex" thread ????

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Well i was rampaging through the old country (Mexico) with my cousins and friends and we stop at a store for smokes. The store serves these pretty kick ass ice, lemon and chile slushies with tequila shots in them, pretty damn good. But back on the subject there was this dude at the store he had just finished a caguma (a beer bottle which is just shy of a liter) but he had probably had more he was really shit faced.

The guy orders one of those tequila slushies and trys to get on the bike. One of my cousin's said "He is going to fall.". Keep in mind the drunk was moving his bicyle with his feet he wasn't on the pedals than all of a sudden bam he falls down. He fell down but he still had the presence of mind to keep his tequila slushie from spilling. He gets on his bicyle and starts riding all across the road and falls down right in the middle of the road. Lucky the guy wasn't turned into kunk pow chicken by a bus, but damn it was funny.