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You are right Lust.
Sex is a very important part of a relationship, but definitely not the only part.
Relationships are a complicated thing.

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As long as both parties are happy but I think in order for both to be happy the sex has to go both ways. Both have to contribute. Or else the other partner will seek other means to fulfill his or her sexual needs.

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I assume you don't want to live a long friutful life then? Or do you plan on spening it all in prison for under age DUI, drugs and rape? Just don't post on GF when you are stoned/drunk/high on drugs.

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:lolpoint:
Undo the bowtie a little, Pete.

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I am not a rapists, or will ever rape a women. I hate rapists with a passion, almost as much as child killers. That is for a different topic though, but don't accuse me of shit like that.

Millions upon millions of Americans drink alcohol, yet millions upon million of Americans aren't in prison. I wonder why, it is because most of us don't go out driving when we are drunk. http://www.gamingforums.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif

One day man, one day you will get so drunk that you will be vomiting all over the floor. It will be a glorious day for you too. You can break out of your shell you are in. Loosen up man.

Oh I don't do drugs either. Strictly alcohol. Hell I don't even smoke weed anymore.

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Please say you're being a sarcastic genius, its just hard to tell when you get hyper conservatives hanging around political based forums... :)

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Haha ekips, "I forgot you can get pregnant from flaming too."

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You havn't seen funny until you have seen a drunk on a bike.

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At the ripe age of 17 I have come to the conclusion that I will never have the opportunity to marry, I've accepted that, but I still feel that I must attempt to pass any moral convictions I have on to those I feel close to here to try to keep them in a safe and moral relationships, most notably, to keep my fellow christians here on the right path, as some are known to wander.

Since I have given up on my own relationships, females [and guys who need to know about females] here come to me for help and I provide for them a moral and emotional confidont. However, I am quite sure that you are right, I will never be in a relationship so long as I live and will spend my days alone, but that's something I've come to accept as a truth, not simply a curse.

If I may say so, that's total and complete bullshit. If your intentions were as notable (if not cold) as to the preservation of our race there would be no birthcontrol involved. Sex has been purverted into something of baseless pleasuring between youth and adults who are not emotially connected, not a consumation of a wonderful undying relationshop, or even an act of emotionless race preservation as you so noted.

Even in the animal kingdom, though rare, monogomous relationships do, infact, exist. The resulting offspring benefits from having a second guardian. Also, the mother benefits from the experience, as it's health is not so terribly struck down. The same here is true of humanistic relationships, leave a mother to care for her child alone will cause her pain and anguish, as well as emotionally insecure. Now somethig as noble as race preservation would not come to that end, as humans are one of the races who are ment to have a lasting monogomous relationship, not an apple seed spreading experience. This is something I'm sure you are quite aware of, if only too consumed by the world's influence to realize consciously.

Sexuality, you should note, IS ment to have an emotional impact. As an efficient if not simplistic example, take a continuum, a line straight accross. On the one extreme you have the christian virgin (doesn't have to be christian, I'm just using that for statistical reasons a christian is less likely to submit to sexual immorality, but are by far immune, as I know oh too many who have fallen). This christian has taken abstinance to heart, and for them, this sexual relationship is ment to be one of closeness and intimacy between those two who are so pure in their love and emotional comfort for one another that is unmeasurable. For this person to give themselves physically to another human being would be the ultimate testimate of their undying devotion and love to this person, showing how special to them their partner truely is, that they would give themselves fully emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and physically to the love of their life, their spouse, the person they have made a commitment to spend the rest of their life with.

Now take a look at the other end of this spectrum we have. On this extreme, we have a porn star (a steriotypical extreme but it shall fit my purpose, prostitute, pimp, whatever would work here as well). For this one, sexuality is nothing more than a pleasing experience, something not to be taken to heavily, just an addiction that gives physical pleasure. For them, giving themselves physically has lost all of its emotional connotations once held so dear. To offer their body to another is not an undying testimant, a special bond, far from it. Instead it simply shows an emotional calice, a coldness of the spirit, one who is alive in body, but dead in spirit. They will never again now the meaning, the true specialness that they can give or receive, they will never now emotional closeness, only worldly pleasure. This person would marry for someone they find physically and worldly pleasing, not someone who shines morally or is more than the shell that gives them pleasure. For this person the closeness and love known by the morally pure is lost, and will never be experienced in any form.

If that is too extreme of an example, I'll go a less distant on that end of the spectrum (but not by much); Hollywood. Hollywood is worldly pleaures incarnate. Taken at a moment's notice by the attractiveness or even the shallowly pleasing personality, this person lives as they work. Unlike the pornography star, this being would not give themselves to anyone, instead they would make their physical offering to those who appease them on the surface (our more shallow emotions not born of passionate feelings are part of the surface, not just the physical appearance as is often its figurehead). Slightly less of an evil, but an evil none the less. As they look to the shallowness of a person -- their 0utward self, that which they allow the world to see instead of true self inside -- they never truely understand the deepness of each other's soul. As a result, after there consumation, and later wedlock, they get the briefest glimpse of that which lies beneath, and don't understand it, they fear it. The person they begin to see is not the person they knew not so long ago. As they no longer know one another, a rift is forged between them of their own shallowness and deepness conflicting. This breaks their physical and base emotional ties, spliting their relationship all together. This is why the stereotypical Hollywood marriage only lasts a short while and no true bonds are ever formed.

Argue as you may, sexuality was ment to be a bond between those who are one; the ultimate testimant of their undying devotion and love.

And for the record, do not think am so presumtuous as to "come down from the heavens" to teach those "lesser" than I how to carry themselves. Far from it. Morality is such an important aspect of humanity to me because I myself have often been known to fall prey to the most detestable of my non passionate feelings; lust. It is something that I detest of myself every weaking moment of my life. I speak not only to chastise you and the acts of the world at large, but in turn to chastise myself.

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Right lets start at the top and work our way down.
As I'm aware you consider everything we've just said as complete and utter bullshit 'if our intentions were as notable' (you meant to say noble I take it?) 'as the preservation of our race there would be no birth control involved.'
It's not an, intention as such its more a natural leaning towards sexual intimacy that has evolved as a part of humans' make up, it's not strictly meant as a conscious intention it's more of a background urge I imagine.
You might call it lust, (that sinful desire ;),) so you must have noticed its presence.

You give an example of Christian-- well a 'pure Christian person' (oh how amazingly righteous,) so let's say they've never been sexually intimate with another and have a perfectly pure heart and when they give themself to someone it means something special to them. And then you give an example of the other end of the spectrum where it doesn't really mean anything to them and it's just become, well, reduced to the mechanics of the act if you will.

Now it is-- It may be true that it's different for the person who's only doing it for their first time and the person it's become a business transaction to all intents and purposes to. But, that's not really having any bearing on what it's meant to be, infact it shows that it's not meant to be anything at all because they have each chosen to make it something with their actions rather than it being something automaticaly. See, their relationships are different, if it was meant to be something emotional and special then it would be, but it's not emotional and special for both of them, it's only emotional and special for one of them. That's bassed more upon the personality of the person that's involved in the mechanics of the act rather than the nature of the act itself.
It's the social conditions involved in the education, raising and welfare of the people involved that dictate the nature and emotions connected to the act rather than that this was simply the way it was meant to be.

Edit: I would also like to add at this juncture that throwing disparagements upon whoever the second person chooses to marry as nothing more than 'the shell that gives them pleasure' is complete bullshit. How dare you assume to judge that person in that manner just by association?

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Although i dont believe in sex before marriage, it would make me hypocrytical, i think you should try and save your virginity till you get married, but i wasnt that strong so uh...:kissme:

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I almost finished those last two posts, i'm lazy, sorry.

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All i have to say in return is.

People can have hot, steaming sex without having a strong relationship, just doing it for fun. There is nothing wrong with that, your asumption that people who have casual sex are emotionless pits of darkness is simply flawed. They can form a relation just like you holy no-sex-before-remariage types can, they just dont see it as a requirement.

Stop writing poetry and face up to the facts, at 17 you are NOT at a ripe age, fuck, im 19 and i realise i got much to learn.

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Good post!
I really can't blame him though, he has never had a relationship or sex so his views are flawed and are of someone elses.
he has time.

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Well, still people saying that we constantly fuck everything to promote the survival of the species are partially correct (hence why sex is fun, its an encouragement). However, the actual survival of the species is a a bit more complicated and humans have evolved to couple together to protect their child to maturity, which can be several years.

Marriage is something that Society evolved to facilitate this process. It keeps parents together so they can raise more children effectively.

However, it's still not written in stone that promiscuity or pre-marital sex is wrong though.

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Pssh... isnt this almost exactly JUST like the "teens and sex" thread ????

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Well i was rampaging through the old country (Mexico) with my cousins and friends and we stop at a store for smokes. The store serves these pretty kick ass ice, lemon and chile slushies with tequila shots in them, pretty damn good. But back on the subject there was this dude at the store he had just finished a caguma (a beer bottle which is just shy of a liter) but he had probably had more he was really shit faced.

The guy orders one of those tequila slushies and trys to get on the bike. One of my cousin's said "He is going to fall.". Keep in mind the drunk was moving his bicyle with his feet he wasn't on the pedals than all of a sudden bam he falls down. He fell down but he still had the presence of mind to keep his tequila slushie from spilling. He gets on his bicyle and starts riding all across the road and falls down right in the middle of the road. Lucky the guy wasn't turned into kunk pow chicken by a bus, but damn it was funny.

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And he never dropped his tequilla slushie? Legend.

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Personally, I am not against sex before marriage but I certainly feel there's no point to it unless I really care about the other person/feel comfortable with them/ or am too smashed to know what I'm doing. Fuck, i feel like a god damn nun compared to you all lol, but the truth of the matter is i just dont see the point in having sex now, its not like i care to get it out of the way or not so i figure why not wait... at least till i care enough to do it

And someone mentioned something about peer pressure earlier. It's true in most cases that sex isnt the factor of peer pressure. But in the end there are so many girls out there (theyre getting younger and younger) that feel they need acceptance and therefore sleep with guys who they (the girls) think actually cares about them. I've lost friends that way... they didnt care enough to listen to what i had to say

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Sex before marriage > other options.

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I wouldn't say I'm against sex before marriage, but I believe in abstinence for myself anyway. It's futile to try and force it onto other people, you just need to accept their views on it. I think abstinence is better, because then you share your virginity, your "first time" with the person you love (hopefully), as I believe that sex is an act of love, and a way of physically showing your love for someone. It sounds naaive, and probably is, but it's what I believe.

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Is that all you have to say? Even with all sorts of birth control the risk is still around %1 of getting the girl pergant and ever higher for getting an STD, crabs can't be avoided. Why would you take a risk that high just for pleasure? A womans body will try its hardest to get pregant to contine the species, and no ammount of pills or devices can stop it.

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Do you have any statistics to support that? I've known lots of Christians (lots) and they were no more "pure" or sex-free than anyone else.

Usually, you tell people to stay away from something or not do it--what happens? They are driven moreso to do it.

I think Christians "claim" to be free of--now what did you call it..."sexual immortality" http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif but I'd bet hard bloody cash they are no better than non-Christians.

Yeah, you need to get laid, dude. Seriously. It's really not that big of deal--it just seems that way when you're young and in awe of the opposite gender (that mostly passes).

That happens all over North America, not just Hollywood, as well as in Europe to a lesser extent. Divorce rates are over 50% here--and there are a variety of factors for this (it's never just one thing--not that simple).

Sexuality was meant for procreation. Since we've done such a fucking marvelous job at that, we've looked at birth control methods, which has allowed partners to have sex much more often without worrying very much about kids. Is it right? Is it evil? Is it sin? Is it right on and funky fresh? Depends what you believe. The world is what it is, and you can either accept it, or preach on a street corner with a carboard sign and get ignored anyway, up to you.

Why do you care what other people do?

Please define "morality" for us.

Anyway, you just keep chastising yourself--I'm going to go have sex with a couple hot chicks in a few hours, so, later :smokin:

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Nothing wrong with sex before marriage. Feel free to have sex when "you are ready" for one person this might be after marriage, for the other before it. Some person might be mature and wise enough to have sex at his/her 16th, others much later. It really depends per individual. Just be aware of the consequences sex (can) have, do it saftly and make sure you and your partner are both "ready" and plan to be in a long lasting relationship. If one thing annoys me it are people who have a new bedpartner onces a week or more...

Have sex when you want, when you are "ready".

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Look bible-nuts. Mary wasn't a virgin: she was 14 when she had a kid and it wasn't from Joseph either. Joseph forgave her and raised the son Jesus with Mary. Joesph lived to his early sixties.


Therefore, youth-sex isn't bad. Just make sure to have contraceptives: both condoms and the pills/patch.

Is there a wrong to personal pleasure? Is there a wrong to making a relationship stronger and more trust oriented? So, just be careful and if your abstaining and NEVER had a sexual relationship, get one now.

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And you heard this where?

Mack

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lol. ever hear of mowing the law, son?

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You're fucking gross, Aeg.

guys have all sorts of creves [sp?] to worry about, too... but it's not just HAVING crabs thats the problem... it's the EGGS!

[sorry, guys... i'm not gonna remember this in the morning]

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ahhaha. <3

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Pethegreat, you ARE aware that 75% of sexually active people in the United States have some form of STD, mostly likely crabs or lice? You shouldn't really sit there and try to avoid it, and if you do get it then.....yeah that sucks but life moves on.

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And 81.5% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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That is why you should only do it with one partner, your wife. If the both of you are virgins then you can't get STD's.

http://www.gamingforums.com/images/smilies/so.gif.

And you have have all you want once you get married, it drives both of them to have more and better, bettering your marriage.

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That is completely untrue. Many viruses that can be transferred sexually can be transferred by many other ways. Plus, you can recieve some by hereditary means so you've always got them (although these tend to be the least serious ones you can possibly get). Marriage and monogamy is not some miracle vaccine.

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This statistic was from my sexual education class. Stop replying to peoples post when you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

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Yes, I know but it reduces the risk alot. You would think people can make a simple connetion between what they do in bed with a bunch of random people and some disease on their crotch.

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The older you get the more chance you have of choking on your food as the muscles at the back of the throat weaken. There are alternatives, we could all ram those lovely tubes down our throats and ingest our fuel that way. It's no fun but still...
Fuck it, you only live once, enjoy yourself.

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why cant people be more comfortable with non-emotional SEX. :lookaround:

i think, if a chick wants to get down with me, i should do as she pleases ;)


P.S. everybody should watch REPLI-KATE. rent it on DVD / Video. (featuring Eugene Levi)

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So did said teacher of this class have a Bible in one hand and was saying how condoms were completely pourous too?

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No she was teaching as she was supposed to. She encourages safe sex, not abstinence. Again, go away. And condoms don't prevent STD's.

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And then you can go, have a kid and get all sorts of STD's? Why try and sidestep the problem of STD's and pergancies with birth control? THey don't always work and some of them will mess up the woman's insides.


wow, they are encoraging you to mess up your lives bay saying it is "safe"?

You can mess alot of lives with what you do, no matter how safe it is. My uncle was dating about 20 years ago and they did it and she got pregant. They had the kid, my uncle broke up and played child support for 18 years, and is now paying the kid's way though collage. His wife does not even want to see the kid and her kids never knew about their older brother for 10 years. The older kid's mother still hates my uncle. He permantly messed up the lives of 6 people(including himself) for what he did.

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Reread what he said Pete.
why cant people be more comfortable with non-emotional SEX

You can get STD's and pregg having emotional sex too :lol:
Either way you must practice safe sex.
Save the christian preaching for the right time;)

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and reread my post, last paragraph. I have reasons other than relgion for my views.

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No one says condoms prevent STDs, but they do a better job than marriage does at preventing them.

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ok,

What does his story have to do with anything?
That happens everyday to married and unmarried couples.
Do YOU know what went on in THEIR life for you to pass judgement on HIM?
Maybe he is an asshole, i don't know but don't preach your families dirty laundry onto others as advice please.

There are many many couples out there doing fine.
Do you know what the divorce rate is? Do you know what it costs to go through a divorce?
Do you know what it's like to be married?
Do you know what it's like to live with someone?
Save the preachings for the church and let the responsible people enjoy their lives and get laid.

Thank you drive through

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Don't sleep with the skanks and you should be fine. Safe sex also requires a healthy dose of common sense. (Perhaps this is why Pete is afraid of getting an STD.)

Maybe they should have used contraceptives properly...

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Pete, use the contraceptives properly and you will be all right. Safe sex is supposed to be just that, safe. You do everything properly and you will be safe.