Evolution

[Steakboy]

Originally Posted by yod@

i just cant believe that some god would just create the whole world with a snap of the fingers , so untill there is a better theory or the evolution theory gets trashed i will stick with it thats all.

so matter magically sprang out of nothingness?

[!moof]

Conservation of mass/energy, steakboy. The universe began as a quantum singularity of infinite energy. Matter and energy are interchangeable according to the equation E=MC^2. Energy was converted into matter, and presto change-o, a universe!

[Nordicvs]

Originally Posted by Steakboy

so matter magically sprang out of nothingness?

Why does matter have to spring from anywhere?

If the Big Bang happened as most people agree, then the matter was around for the massive explosion, in some form, to take place.

I think there has always been matter and will always be matter. Why not?

[npconnor]

ok I can't say i am an expert but i personally believe that God created the earth, as in the trinity God, GoD, Jesus, and HS. he created the animals and humans, no evolution. The animals dispersed and populated the earth. the ADAPTED to their surroundings, no evolution. think we humans somthing so complex came from an organism, no not an orgasm *sigh*, anyway i am not here to convert you but try reading The Holy Bible, you might find some interesting stuff, things might be explained.... oh by the way if you do don't get a king james. NIV is the way to go. Also the carbon dating is a load of chicken crap, chicked because it is small and insignificant. it always pruduces wrong numbers and so fourth. The dinasours? well i think some survived the great flood, aboard Noahs... off topic but they survived into the... israelite time. only to probrably be killed and die off. And if we evovled from da monkies why are monkeys still around????? God? cant you people think? Someone HAD to create us. Think something so...so well anyway animals just cant sprout legs and walk away from the sea. Doesn't that seem impossible? Well I am tired it is 11:00 PM. I shall retire to bed.

[Phoenix_22]

Originally Posted by npconnor

ok I can't say i am an expert but i personally believe that God created the earth, as in the trinity God, GoD, Jesus, and HS.

HS?? Holy spirit? oh, okay..

he created the animals and humans, no evolution.

But did he create the new "evolved" animals? They weren'r created as in poof! But rather were changed over time.

The animals dispersed and populated the earth. the ADAPTED to their surroundings, no evolution.

Isn't adapatation and evolution two different things? Hmm, let's see:
Adaptation:

1. 1. The act or process of adapting.
   2. The state of being adapted.
2. 1. Something, such as a device or mechanism, that is changed or changes so as to become suitable to a new or special application or situation.
   2. A composition that has been recast into a new form: The play is an adaptation of a short novel.
3. Biology. An alteration or adjustment in structure or habits, often hereditary, by which a species or individual improves its condition in relationship to its environment.
4. Physiology. The responsive adjustment of a sense organ, such as the eye, to varying conditions, such as light intensity.
5. Change in behavior of a person or group in response to new or modified surroundings.

Evolution:

1. A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See Synonyms at development.
2. 1. The process of developing.
   2. Gradual development.
3. Biology.
   1. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
   2. The historical development of a related group of organisms; phylogeny.
4. A movement that is part of a set of ordered movements.
5. Mathematics. The extraction of a root of a quantity.

Close, but not the exact same thing...

think we humans somthing so complex came from an organism, no not an orgasm *sigh*,

erm, what? i never said orgasm...but yeah, it could have formed from a little organism.

anyway i am not here to convert you but try reading The Holy Bible, you might find some interesting stuff, things might be explained.... oh by the way if you do don't get a king james. NIV is the way to go.

Its worth a shot, but i'm not going to read a 600 page book or so where i barely understand any of it.

Also the carbon dating is a load of chicken crap, chicked because it is small and insignificant. it always pruduces wrong numbers and so fourth. The dinasours? well i think some survived the great flood, aboard Noahs... off topic but they survived into the... israelite time. only to probrably be killed and die off.

Hmm, could be possible, but would a lowly ark be able to survive a meteorite hitting the Earth? i doubt it.

And if we evovled from da monkies why are monkeys still around????? God? cant you people think? Someone HAD to create us. Think something so...so well anyway animals just cant sprout legs and walk away from the sea. Doesn't that seem impossible?

In the evolution process, not all of the one species evolve into something else, the new "Evolved" species branches off but is still linked to its origianl form.

Well I am tired it is 11:00 PM. I shall retire to bed.

I agree, except its 1 in the morning here.

[!moof]

Here's why the monkys are still here, bud: Monkeys lived in different environments. Over a few thousand years, one environment was more suitable to monkey-like monkeys, one environment was more suited to human-like monkeys. Eventually, there were both.

npconnor, if you're going to try to convert people, I suggest you read loads of philosophy. Plato, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, all through. I did, and it did wonders for my religion. I can be both intellectual and religious. That takes a lot of work.

[crassus]

i'll begin with this. How did the first heart evolve? it is impossible, did it just spring up? no animal can live with out it. Did it evolve half a heart then decide it needed the rest of the heart? By the time it evolved the heart it would have no use for it. and by heart i of course mean the bloody beating thing in your chest and not a 'soul.' Same goes with many other organs in our body, people fail to realize just how complex we are, it is insane how different we are from animals, or 'simple' single celled bacteria.

You look and one of these 'simple' single celled organism and u find out something. It is not that simple after all, very complex. It has it's own structure. And what, we came from a pre-biotic soup that just happened to exist. it created the exact number and combo of amino acids out of over a million possible combinations. My point is is that it would take far more than 4.6 billion years to even create a single-celled organism. and the chances of it even surviving are even more astounding.

Hence my stance that Evolution (macro) Is Impossible. There is no proof. There would have to be literally 1000s of transitional species in between each little change as Darwin said a number of times. We are talking Huge leaps between organism with not one transitional species found in between. There are far too many unanswered questions with macro-evolution.

I believe God always existed (no other logical way). And he created everything in 6 days (including time, or else the idea of god is flawed and impossible, he is constrained by nothing.) And without him, there would be nothing. "from everlasting to everlasting"

npconnor, if you're going to try to convert people, I suggest you read loads of philosophy. Plato, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, all through. I did, and it did wonders for my religion. I can be both intellectual and religious. That takes a lot of work.

I agree completely, this past year i've learned so much philosophy and it literally changed the way i view almost everything. Mainly regarding legal issues (plato 'treat equals equally, unequals unequally.') But yeah it really let's you see all sides of the equation, instead of instant 'i hate G.W. Bush' or 'i love Bush and what he does' as an example. that was off-topic.

And one quicky, what is believed to hold the atom together? because an atom is filled with protons and neutrons in the middle. if like charges repel, then what is holding the protons (that are possitivly charged) in the middle. Probably off-topic.

[!moof]

Actually, different hearts have different uses. Frogs have three chambers, I think. Some insects have no hearts, or only large vessels that act like the accelerator wheels on Hot Wheels tracks. The heart evolved over time. We don't know exactly how because we don't have the evidence for it. However, that does not make the theory wrong. Evolution was not supposed to answer every question in the book, just answer the most questions as well as possible. Considering the number of animals there have been on the earth, there have been very few fossils. We'ver only found about 0.01% of Earth's prehistoric biodiversity. Of course we're going to miss stuff. But there is enough evidence to force a single scientific conclusion, that is, evolution.

I believe God exists, and He has always, and in truth, I personally believe in ID, in a way. I believe that God created the world. I don't know how, or why he did it like he did, but I believe he did. Ex: If God is eternal, what is 6 days, or 4.5 billion years? They are both nothing compared to eternity. But I can't PROVE that God created the world, cassius. As long as I can't, I have to accept evolution.

Ok, here's how the atom works: the nucleus is bound together by what's called the nuclear strong force This is the force that acts at small distances within an atom's nuclei and maintains the stability of this nuclei in spite of their tendency to fly apart because of the Coulomb repulsion due to similar charged particles. This force only acts at very short distances. At about 0.5×10^-15 m the attraction between nuclear particles due to the strong nuclear force begins to decline. At the distance smaller than about 10^-16 m the Coulomb force is more pronounces and particles of similar charge start to reject each other.

[Ekips]

crassus actually single celled organisms are not very complex. Do you know how long 4.6 Billion years is? Don't try to act like you know how long it takes for life to be created because you don't.

[!moof]

Actually, Ekips, single-celled organisms are quite complex.