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View Poll Results: What do you think of evolution?
I think evolution explains everything 24 27.27%
I think evolution explains many things 44 50.00%
I don't think evolution is entirely correct 8 9.09%
I think evolution is pure nonsense 7 7.95%
I don't really know what evolution is 1 1.14%
I have no opinion on this 4 4.55%
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Old June 26th, 2005   #131
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could be... but there's no proof or whatso ever... I mean the evolution has left marks to show us...
"God" has left us the bible (i dont believe that crap, but some people do)
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There is no other logical answer aside from evolution or creationism. Once one is gone, the other must be correct. Basically purpose vs chance. Otherwise please provide any other theories aside from the two most logical ones.
Who says there is no other logical answer aside from evolution or creationism? Well, the creationists.

If someone could prove that the evolution theory is wrong then scientists would try to find a better theory. Which would most likely not be the creationist hypothesis. But as long as you have a theory, based on scientific methods, that pretty much explains the evolution of species there is no need to find an alternative.

Scientists are humans and tend to make errors from time to time when it comes to an analysis. The only thing creationists do is pointing at these singular occurences and say "Hey, he is wrong. So the whole evolution theory is wrong."

But I see that trying to teach creationists biological and physical basics is like preaching deaf ears. If you don't want to listen you will not understand.

The evolution theory is not opposing religion. Only silly medieval fundamentalism. You can be a serious religious scientist. But hardly a serious creationist scientist. It would be a contradiction.




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Old June 26th, 2005   #134
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Evolution answers many questions, which I use to mean almost everything regarding the development of species on this planet, with the possible exception of how it began. It can't necessarily be proved, but as far as evidence goes, people have been convicted based on less . I suspect proving evolution entirely wrong would be a MUCH more difficult achievement than proving it right.

Trying to look at natural history without the theory of evolution in place is now like trying to look at the universe without effects following causes. Once the theory is born, it fits into place so well that it is hard to imagine, based on the evidence we have, how it could not be correct. Either the theory of evolution is right, or the evolutionists have read every single clue that points towards it fundamentally wrongly, and there are many, many clues to follow.

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The evolution theory is not opposing religion. Only silly medieval fundamentalism. You can be a serious religious scientist. But hardly a serious creationist scientist. It would be a contradiction.
Well, I agree with every other sentence. That's a good start, at least.

Really, I don't see why evolution and creationism have to be mortal enemies. My belief system incorporates what I believe to be the correct parts of each:

God created the universe in six units of time. The bible claims that these units of time were days, but that is strictly at odds with modern and verified science. Thus, I believe the days are metaphors for some other length of time that woiuld account for the massive age of the earth.

So the world is created with all its inhabitants, including humans. But they are given the special ability to adapt to their surroundings (micro-evolution, another element I know is correct). A simple example is from wolves to domesticated dogs.

Side note: I voted for "Evolution is not entirely correct."

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There is no other logical answer aside from evolution or creationism. Once one is gone, the other must be correct. Basically purpose vs chance. Otherwise please provide any other theories aside from the two most logical ones.
There are only four basic theories that can be true: either the world was purposefully created, or produced by mere chance; and that this production was either gradual or instaneous.
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i propose that an alien came seeded the earth not god . i believe that it was an alien that created us . isnt that a theory too?
That is a theory, but where did the aliens come from?

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I believe in evolution to an extent, but I also dont believe that us humans came from monkeys.

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i propose that an alien came seeded the earth not god . i believe that it was an alien that created us . isnt that a theory too?
No it is not. Obviously you don't know the definition of a theory.
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No it is not. Obviously you don't know the definition of a theory.
A theory is a hypothesis, backed with some evidence. Therefore, creation technically isn't even a theory. It is just a hypothesis with a lot of support (human support) behind it.
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i propose that an alien came seeded the earth not god . i believe that it was an alien that created us . isnt that a theory too?
The reason this theory first came to be is the reason that most scientists simply view earth as incapable of producing life by chance. To these scientists they believe another planet has had alot more stable environment to randomly produce life. Which ultimately still follows the theory of evolution. Evolution is the belief in chance basically, that we are lucky to be here. Creation is the belief in reason, or purpose. No other theory can fit in to be reasonably acceptable.
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There are only four basic theories that can be true: either the world was purposefully created, or produced by mere chance; and that this production was either gradual or instaneous.
Good point. I can't really understand instantaneous evolution, unless u of course mean 'punctual' evolution (huge leaps without any transitions.) Or unless u mean the atoms happened to collide and create life. Both of which infinitely increase the odds of happening as opposed to gradual evolution.
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Really, I don't see why evolution and creationism have to be mortal enemies. My belief system incorporates what I believe to be the correct parts of each:

God created the universe in six units of time. The bible claims that these units of time were days, but that is strictly at odds with modern and verified science. Thus, I believe the days are metaphors for some other length of time that woiuld account for the massive age of the earth.

So the world is created with all its inhabitants, including humans. But they are given the special ability to adapt to their surroundings (micro-evolution, another element I know is correct). A simple example is from wolves to domesticated dogs.
Here is why i believe in full creation (6 days.) I firmly believe in believing in the bible word for word. Otherwise if u take one part out, you might as well throw the whole bible out. If God meant eons instead of days, he would have said eons, not days. I'm sure they had a word that meant longer than a day.

If scientists finally prove evolution wrong, the only other option is creationism. In other words, if created by chance is impossible, created by purpose is the only answer.

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