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Anlushac11 June 3rd, 2005 11:29 PM
Seems Im not the only one worried about China.
 
Donald Rumsfeld says US is worried about China's rapid and extremely large budget Military buildup.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../rumsfeld_asia

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Rumsfeld: China's Military Buildup a Threat

By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer 15 minutes ago

SINGAPORE - China's military buildup, particularly its positioning of hundreds of missiles facing Taiwan, is a threat to Asian security, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Saturday.

Rumsfeld rebuked China at a regional security conference here, saying it was pouring huge resources into its military and buying large amounts of sophisticated weapons despite facing no threat from any other country.

The Pentagon chief's remarks signaled a harder line against China from the Bush administration, which has criticized Beijing over trade and human rights issues but not directly challenged its military buildup.

The director of the Asia bureau of China's foreign ministry, Cui Tiankai, was in the audience for Rumsfeld's speech and reacted strongly.

"Since the U.S. is spending a lot more money than China is doing on defense, the U.S. should understand that every country has its own security concerns and every country is entitled to spend money necessary for its own defense," Cui told The Associated Press after Rumsfeld's remarks.

Rumsfeld said the Pentagon's annual assessment of China's military capabilities shows China is spending more than its leaders acknowledge, expanding its missile capabilities and developing advanced military technology.

China now has the world's third-largest military budget, he said, behind the United States and Russia. He did not say how large the U.S. believes China's military budget is.

"Since no nation threatens China, one must wonder: Why this growing investment? Why these continuing large and expanding arms purchases?" Rumsfeld said at the conference organized by the International Institute of Strategic Studies, a private, London-based think tank.

Cui responded sharply to Rumsfeld during a question-and-answer session.

"Do you truly believe that China is under no threat by other countries?" Cui asked. "Do you truly believe that the U.S. is threatened by the emergence of China?"

Rumsfeld said he does not think any country threatens China and that the United States does not see China as a threat.

Central to the disagreement is Taiwan, a self-governing island Beijing regards as a renegade territory.

China has said it will attack Taiwan if the island tries to declare independence, and it repeatedly calls on the United States to stop selling weapons to Taiwan. Beijing denounced a joint U.S.-Japan statement earlier this year saying the two allies shared the objective of a peaceful resolution of the Taiwan issue.

The United States is urging the European Union to keep in place its ban on selling weapons to China. Washington argues that any European weapons sold to China could be used in a conflict over Taiwan.

"I just look at the significant rollout of ballistic missiles opposite Taiwan, and I have to ask the question: If everyone agrees the question of Taiwan is going to be settled in a peaceful way, why this increase in ballistic missiles opposite Taiwan?" Rumsfeld said.

He also questioned China's government, saying political freedom there has not kept pace with increasing economic freedom.

"Ultimately, China will need to embrace some form of a more open and representative government if it is to fully achieve the political and economic benefits to which its people aspire," he said.

The defense secretary, who has said he would like to visit China this year, also pressed Beijing to use its influence with
North Korea to restart six-nation talks over Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program. North Korea has stayed away for a year from the talks with China, the United States,
South Korea, Japan and Russia.

Rumsfeld said the
United Nations may need to decide what to do about the nuclear threat from North Korea, which declared in February that it has atomic bombs. North Korea says it needs a nuclear deterrent because of what it calls Washington's "hostile policy" against it.

Rumsfeld said North Korea is a worldwide threat because of its record of selling missile technology and other weapons. "One has to assume that they'll sell anything, and that they would sell nuclear weapons," he said.

Similar U.S. criticism of North Korea has sparked an angry response from Pyongyang. The state-run Korean Central News Agency this week called Vice President
Dick Cheney a "bloodthirsty beast" for saying that North Korean leader Kim Jong Il was irresponsible.

President Bush and other administration officials say the U.S. has no intention of attacking North Korea.

Tensions between the two nations have been rising in recent months. Last week, the Pentagon suspended its only contact with North Korea efforts to search for the remains of missing servicemen from the Korean War. U.S. officials said they could not guarantee the search teams' safety in remote areas.

Mihail June 3rd, 2005 11:34 PM
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theres nothing to fear as long as china can be threatened with nuclear arms, but with that said, you should welcome your new chinese overlords.

Bebop13 June 3rd, 2005 11:36 PM
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damn thier just now worried lol

Krieg der Sterne June 3rd, 2005 11:41 PM
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It not like they will come over here and attack us or anything like that.So I not worried

azndethman June 3rd, 2005 11:47 PM
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it is only a matter of time until something happens, just a little attack might spark something big

Dreadnought[DK] June 4th, 2005 02:09 AM
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oh no! china is building up. quick prepare a series of pre-emtive strikes. they must be crippled before they can become a threat to global security!

MrFancypants June 4th, 2005 02:22 AM
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"Since the U.S. is spending a lot more money than China is doing on defense, the U.S. should understand that every country has its own security concerns and every country is entitled to spend money necessary for its own defense," Cui told The Associated Press after Rumsfeld's remarks.
:agreed



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"Ultimately, China will need to embrace some form of a more open and representative government if it is to fully achieve the political and economic benefits to which its people aspire," he said.
Is it just me or does this sound arrogant? No surprise the US gets bashed everywhere if they use such diplomacy.

AzH June 4th, 2005 02:33 AM
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This is merely bluff and posturing by The Defence Secretary. Suggesting a hrd line aginst a country which you rely on economically is ludicrous:

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Japan, China, Taiwan, and South Korea hold 40 percent of our government debt. (That’s why we talk nice to them.) “By helping keep mortgage rates from rising, China has come to play an enormous and little-noticed role in sustaining the American housing boom” (NYT, Dec. 4, 2004). Read that twice. We owe our housing boom to China, because they want us to keep buying all that stuff they manufacture.
Rumsfeld can say what he wants but the U.S. wouldn't dare take any action against China. They are too powerful and have the nuts of the U.S. in a vice due to the financial powerhouse they have/are becoming/becoming. What are they going to do? Use economic sanctions against a nation they rely on economically? That's retarded, even by Bush Administration standards.

Lap it up, America. China is becoming bigger than you'll ever be. I'd like to see more co-operation between the U.N. and China. Perhaps these two economic and military power-houses can put a stop to the War of Global Oppression being waged by America.

No, silly, I'm nottalking about attacking or starting conflict which would lead to WWIII. I'm talking about applying diplomatic pressure to an upstart warmongering nation.

It is ironic really:

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China's military buildup, particularly its positioning of hundreds of missiles facing Taiwan, is a threat to Asian security, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Saturday.
Is he glossing over the fact that the U.S. led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq are threats to WORLD security? I think so...

Anlushac11 June 4th, 2005 03:04 AM
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And you think the Chinese are going to play any nicer with Europe?

If the Chinese are going to have America by the balls then they are going to make Europe their Bitch.

"War of Global Opression" What a crock of fucking bullshit.

AzH June 4th, 2005 03:18 AM
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And you think the Chinese are going to play any nicer with Europe?
Considering Europe doesn't persistantly attack other nations for their domestic policies, yes.

Considering recent discussions on lifteing the EU China arms ban, yes.

Europe is decades ahead of America in terms on social development. If we were still a backwards, hick nation, then no. But Europe no longer relies on America as it should and new alliances should be sought.

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If the Chinese are going to have America by the balls then they are going to make Europe their Bitch.
Keep on with yo' dreamin', son.

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"War of Global Opression" What a crock of fucking bullshit.
Call it what you will. It doesn't change THE FACT that America has dipped it's nose into other's business (where it is not wanted) far too often.

OPPRESSION

Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc etc etc... The list of places you went but were not welcome is as long as my arm. So, take your 'crock of fucking bullshit' and shove it where the sun don't shine. :)

Mihail June 4th, 2005 03:20 AM
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The list of places you went but were not welcome is as long as my arm
You must have one long arm.

[11PzG]matyast June 4th, 2005 03:24 AM
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I am only worried about the Chinese market expanding, and threatening local economies...

China is most threatening to us as a major economical power, and to a lesser extent a military one.

AzH June 4th, 2005 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by [11PzG]matyast
China is most threatening to us as a major economical power, and to a lesser extent a military one.
China is no threat to the US militarily, and I doubt it wants to be. Why can't we all just play nice and get along? Just because a nation is intent on securing itself, doesn't mean it immediately becomes a threat to others. We had the same situation with Iran. They has a domestic policy of obtaining nuclear power and suddenly their a 'threat'. It's bullshit. The U.S. does this so that it can justify taking billions in tax dollars from it's unsuspecting citizens to spend on defence contracts which, ironically, line the pockets of Bush and his cronies.

Nemmerle June 4th, 2005 04:32 AM
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Politicians are giving away your freedoms every day.
I'd be less worried about an army of Chinese taking them than I would about your own government passing another patriot act, or amending the constitution so Bush can stay in office.

Pethegreat June 4th, 2005 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Nemmerle
or amending the constitution so Bush can stay in office.
:lol::lol::rofl:

that would never happen. bush would have to kill about %60 of congess then have at lest %66 of the Us population want to have him as leader for life.

China can build up their military as much as they want, they will become the next USSR.

Nemmerle June 4th, 2005 05:08 AM
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If you've looked at what's going on in your country the balance of power is swinging in Bush's favour, he's removing the checks and balances that should stop him from doing that kind of thing.

azzeruk June 4th, 2005 05:21 AM
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nothing will happen, there to econimicly big in todays world to risk it all

Pethegreat June 4th, 2005 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Nemmerle
If you've looked at what's going on in your country the balance of power is swinging in Bush's favour, he's removing the checks and balances that should stop him from doing that kind of thing.
no he is not, you cannot edit the constitition to remove those checks without having it approved by 2/3rd of congess and then by 2/3rds of the states, it takes a long time, he would be out of office before that happened. And rember when we went to war with Iraq, Congress approved it, so you should direct your complaints to the 200 or so congress people who voted for the declaration of war, not bush.

Rikupsoni June 4th, 2005 06:14 AM
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Why you are threatened, you don't live in Asia?

Aeroflot June 4th, 2005 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Rikupsoni
Why you are threatened, you don't live in Asia?
Today, you can be on the other side of the world and be invaded.. i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam.. etc. Not that we are going to be invaded.

SpiderGoat June 4th, 2005 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Dreadnought[DK]
oh no! china is building up. quick prepare a series of pre-emtive strikes. they must be crippled before they can become a threat to global security!
Rofl :)

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Originally Posted by Pethegreat™
:lol::lol::rofl:
that would never happen.
Don't be so sure.

What right does the US have of considering China a thread to world peace? The United States spend more money on military, and have launched attacks against Afghanistan and Irak during these past years. [Note that whether these attacks were justified or not has nothing to do with this post.] I really don't get it.

USMA2010 June 4th, 2005 09:31 AM
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Well of course its a threat. So could the German military, or the British. The crucial factor is wheather or not China would be willing to use that military against the US. In a war against North Korea, not a chance. That would isolate China from the world, again. If the US openly backed Taiwan, then yeah, they probably would go to war with us.

China has made so much progress under Deng Xiaoping and his successors, that I would find it hard to believe they would just throw it all away.

Exploder June 4th, 2005 10:39 AM
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China's mass improvement in all aspects to me to be proof that communism does work, contrary to what 99% of what you all say.

Eitheir way to say that China is a threat to the world is downright foolish, Rumsfield should be shot for saying that.

Der Sturmbannführer June 4th, 2005 10:44 AM
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first off, china is successful because its sytem is not totaly communist, its been becoming more and more dilluted and slowly merging with ideals that of europe and america. and they are a threat to the world, their idelas and vision of the world is different than ours, and when they have the ability to do so, i doubt anything will hold them back from taking a militaristic stance in achieving their interests.

Jeffro June 4th, 2005 10:47 AM
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Isn't like 90 percent of our crap "made in china"? :p

Exploder June 4th, 2005 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Heero Yuykk
first off, china is successful because its sytem is not totaly communist, its been becoming more and more dilluted and slowly merging with ideals that of europe and america. and they are a threat to the world, their idelas and vision of the world is different than ours, and when they have the ability to do so, i doubt anything will hold them back from taking a militaristic stance in achieving their interests.
But what good will they get in attacking other countries for no reason? No offence, burt this is why sometimes I'm really that dissapointed with certain Americans...

YoJimbO June 4th, 2005 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Heero Yuykk
first off, china is successful because its sytem is not totaly communist, its been becoming more and more dilluted and slowly merging with ideals that of europe and america.
True. In my opinion, such a large country as China, with ancient history stretching far beyond most other country's, when formed (the country), needs a drastic, very influencial system that will stablize the country. Communism was their choice. As a country gets richer gradually, they then can afford to adapt their ways, and I believe that staying purely communist forever was never an idea that the Chinese embraced. So as you said - they are becoming more capitalist by the year...

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Originally Posted by Heero Yuykk
and they are a threat to the world, their idelas and vision of the world is different than ours, and when they have the ability to do so, i doubt anything will hold them back from taking a militaristic stance in achieving their interests.
1stly - You say that "their ideals and vision of the world is different than ours", so what, exactly? You think that because it's different, that they, obviously, are willing to attack? Just because it's different...?

2ndly - "and when they have the ability to do so, i doubt anything will hold them back from taking a militaristic stance in achieving their interests".... Three letters come into my mind... "U", "S" & "A"... :uhm:

Pethegreat June 4th, 2005 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SpiderGoat
Don't be so sure.
http://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/so.gif. WTF are you talking about? That can never happen, and if you think it can then you are a true idiot.

I'd say let china go and build all the weapons they want. Soon the goverment runs out of money and bam, communism in china is dead.

Armchair_Commando June 4th, 2005 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeffro
Isn't like 90 percent of our crap "made in china"? :p
personally i think thats worse that china's buildup

azndethman June 4th, 2005 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeffro
Isn't like 90 percent of our crap "made in china"? :p

more like 99.9:naughty:

Mihail June 4th, 2005 11:36 AM
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why get some american to work for 8 USD an hour when you can get a chinese man work for 01% of that

Pethegreat June 4th, 2005 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Mihail
why get some american to work for 8 USD an hour when you can get a chinese man work for 01% of that
eh, its communism over there and its democracy here. There are also a ton of law here regulating wages, the minium is $5.15 and hour. What I don't get is why the US does not hit those products with s %50 tarrif? If we would not get so much from aisa, there would be no unemployment in the US.

Blood n Guts June 4th, 2005 11:54 AM
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Then everything would cost more, and China might take its huge billion person market elseware. They're our most favorite nation for imports, maybe they'll do the same for us (which they are). It's not like the US economy is stagnant and no new jobs are being created to fill the void left by the outsourced ones.

Agentlaidlaw June 4th, 2005 12:20 PM
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Not 90% more like 60-70%. But if china does invade U.S that be stupid cause china does not have the technology to. There weapons and ships are poor and weak. They just now finaly made a space program. In 2004 they finaly sent a man into space. There weapon technology is 1970's. They still use tanks, guns, and planes made in the 1970's. Only problem they would be is size of there army. They would have the bigest army in the world because of there population. Then also they could nuke the crap out of us.

Aeroflot June 4th, 2005 12:26 PM
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AHHHHH! It's "Their", not "there". "Their" is possessive, "There" is a location or place, like "Over there."

Anyways. There is no reason for the Chinese to invade their trading partner. The USA poses no military threat to the Chinese.

EDIT: No, I was wrong. The US Navy can pose a threat to the Chinese if the Chinese attack Taiwan.

USMA2010 June 4th, 2005 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Exploder
China's mass improvement in all aspects to me to be proof that communism does work, contrary to what 99% of what you all say.

Eitheir way to say that China is a threat to the world is downright foolish, Rumsfield should be shot for saying that.
Three cheers for he who doesn't know what he's talking about!
China is definatly not Communist. Even Deng called it "Socialism with Chinese characteristics", a way of keeping the Maoist hardliners from calling him a "capitalist roader".

There are as many privatly owned companies in China as there are government owned ones. They are opening up their country to trade with the West. The whole economic idea behind communism is self reliance, and trading with capitalists is definatly being self reliant.

China is developing new fighters, tanks, and infantry weapons that are at least as good as their American and EU counterparts. They are the the only country not allied with the United States that not only has nuclear weapons, but the means to deliver them. They are also the only nation not allied with the US to put a man into space.

To say they aren't a threat is just stupid.

Big {Daddy} June 4th, 2005 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Anlushac11
And you think the Chinese are going to play any nicer with Europe?
If they want to trade with us, then I guess they'll have to play nice. We've got some kick ass weapons systems they want to buy ;)

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If the Chinese are going to have America by the balls then they are going to make Europe their Bitch.
Sooner a peaceful trading partner kind of bitch, than a drag you into pointless wars kind of bitch.

Sorry guys, I don't see them as dangerous war mongers. If you lot want to continually isolate yourselves from the world, then be my guest. China is strong and will get stronger no matter what - Better to be friends than enemies.

SpiderGoat June 4th, 2005 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Pethegreat™
http://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/so.gif. WTF are you talking about? That can never happen, and if you think it can then you are a true idiot.

I'd say let china go and build all the weapons they want. Soon the goverment runs out of money and bam, communism in china is dead.
Easy Pethegreat...

Every system can evolve into a tyranny, as history shows, which is why you shouldn't treat things like giving presidents extra power lightly. I thought you Americans said: "The price for freedom is eternal vigilance." (Jefferson)

Edit: I hope I'm not going to get "Well it can't happen to us as a responce."

Mihail June 4th, 2005 01:36 PM
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Soon the goverment runs out of money and bam, communism in china is dead.
Not likely! haha.

-DarthMaul- June 4th, 2005 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Agentlaidlaw
Not 90% more like 60-70%. But if china does invade U.S that be stupid cause china does not have the technology to. There weapons and ships are poor and weak. They just now finaly made a space program. In 2004 they finaly sent a man into space. There weapon technology is 1970's. They still use tanks, guns, and planes made in the 1970's. Only problem they would be is size of there army. They would have the bigest army in the world because of there population. Then also they could nuke the crap out of us.
what are you talking about? China is boosting its technological progress and has alot of fairly good military equipment that could actually finally put a fight aginst the invincible american soldier.

anyhow, I dont agree that china is a threat.. h epropably said that because someone will bitch slap america around. a country that will put america in its place atleast when it comes to asian afairs.

Strelok16 June 4th, 2005 04:49 PM
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If we pulled out our ecinomic ties with China it would hurt them a whole lot more than It would hurt us. It would hurt us bad but we could recover.

-DarthMaul- June 4th, 2005 05:35 PM
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how fast can we recover? we would need ALOT of workers and ALOT of factories to compensate. while in the other hand china can look towards selling more to the other
countries or just sell to countries it isnt selling to already.

Nordicvs June 4th, 2005 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Big {daddy}
Sorry guys, I don't see them as dangerous war mongers. If you lot want to continually isolate yourselves from the world, then be my guest. China is strong and will get stronger no matter what - Better to be friends than enemies.
:agreed

Most of the world isn't worried about China becuz we don't see evil eyes in every shadow...terrorists behind the bushes.

Of course, if we're not with them, we're with the terrorists...

Big {Daddy} June 4th, 2005 06:38 PM
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Most of the world doesn't have governments employing "politics of fear", and if they do, the population is generally concious enough to see through it.

GreatGrizzly June 4th, 2005 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SpiderGoat
Every system can evolve into a tyranny, as history shows, which is why you shouldn't treat things like giving presidents extra power lightly.
Bush's reign proves that.

Nordicvs June 4th, 2005 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Big {Daddy}
Most of the world doesn't have governments employing "politics of fear", and if they do, the population is generally concious enough to see through it.
Exactly. It's almost like a society of fear, or culture of fear, easily exploited to achieve political aims.

Blood n Guts June 4th, 2005 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SpiderGoat
Easy Pethegreat...

Every system can evolve into a tyranny, as history shows, which is why you shouldn't treat things like giving presidents extra power lightly. I thought you Americans said: "The price for freedom is eternal vigilance." (Jefferson)

Edit: I hope I'm not going to get "Well it can't happen to us as a responce."
No you won't. You'll get a history lesson though. Thomas Jefferson was somewhat of a hypocrite. He ran on a platform of strict adherence to the constitution, promising to stay soundly inside the box of Presidential powers. He even started his own party, the anifederalists on this platform. This quote is from before he was president (or maybe after, he made a serious flip flop) Of course, once he entered the presidency, he found his own beliefs impractical, stretching his powers to the extreme. For that, he is remembered as one of our best presidents. All of our great presidents toed the line of presidential powers. It is our worst presidents that did nothing, watching incompetence and corruption fester around them.

Of Tyranny. Lincoln was considered a tyrant by his enemies. After all, he suspended due process of law (habeas corpus), even declared marshal law in several states. Of course we find this view to be fallacy, as after the Civil War, we find Lincoln opposed to military occupation of the South. His "tyrannical" policies most probably saved the Union by preventing the Border States from seceding.

Of Constant Vigilance. People thought that Andrew Jackson would end the Republic when he entered office. He even ignored two direct Supreme Court rulings. But did Democracy end: no, and it most certainly was not constant vigilance on the account of his opposition that prevented democracy from falling. It is a common misconception today that the people opposite to you in the political spectrum will destroy the country, and sentiments like “constant vigilance” perpetuate the misconception.

It's not a it can't happen to us response, its a political enemies always view each other with blind malice, and the Thomas Jefferson quote has proven incorrect response.

Agentlaidlaw June 4th, 2005 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by -DarthMaul-
what are you talking about? China is boosting its technological progress and has alot of fairly good military equipment that could actually finally put a fight aginst the invincible american soldier.

anyhow, I dont agree that china is a threat.. h epropably said that because someone will bitch slap america around. a country that will put america in its place atleast when it comes to asian afairs.
Yeah they now got to 1980's, 1990's technology lol....

Strelok16 June 5th, 2005 12:16 AM
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we'll be good as long as we keep our first few ammendments, especially the first and second.

time to start worryin is when they start arresting people for saying stuff against the president and trying to take our guns.

Bush's reign lol

if it was a liberal/democrat president in office and he was doing the same thing, which odds are he would be, id like to see what youd say then.

SpiderGoat June 5th, 2005 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Blood n Guts
[color=black][color=black]No you won't. You'll get a history lesson though. Thomas Jefferson was somewhat of a hypocrite. He ran on a platform of strict adherence to the constitution, promising to stay soundly inside the box of Presidential powers. He even started his own party, the anifederalists on this platform. This quote is from before he was president (or maybe after, he made a serious flip flop) Of course, once he entered the presidency, he found his own beliefs impractical, stretching his powers to the extreme.
And? Seneca minor is still quoted, though he was an unbelievable hypocrite, which is why he said "Live after my teachings, not my life." (Leef naar mijn leer, niet naar mijn leven.) Quotes can be taken (and used) out of context, something that happens all the time.

Also, I merely used the quote to illustrate my point. I've heard several Americans use it on this forum, so I thought I'd make it easier to understand, since my post was directed towards Americans.


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