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Strelok16 June 4th, 2005 04:49 PM
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If we pulled out our ecinomic ties with China it would hurt them a whole lot more than It would hurt us. It would hurt us bad but we could recover.

-DarthMaul- June 4th, 2005 05:35 PM
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how fast can we recover? we would need ALOT of workers and ALOT of factories to compensate. while in the other hand china can look towards selling more to the other
countries or just sell to countries it isnt selling to already.

Nordicvs June 4th, 2005 05:59 PM
Re: Seems Im not the only one worried about China.
 
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Originally Posted by Big {daddy}
Sorry guys, I don't see them as dangerous war mongers. If you lot want to continually isolate yourselves from the world, then be my guest. China is strong and will get stronger no matter what - Better to be friends than enemies.
:agreed

Most of the world isn't worried about China becuz we don't see evil eyes in every shadow...terrorists behind the bushes.

Of course, if we're not with them, we're with the terrorists...

Big {Daddy} June 4th, 2005 06:38 PM
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Most of the world doesn't have governments employing "politics of fear", and if they do, the population is generally concious enough to see through it.

GreatGrizzly June 4th, 2005 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SpiderGoat
Every system can evolve into a tyranny, as history shows, which is why you shouldn't treat things like giving presidents extra power lightly.
Bush's reign proves that.

Nordicvs June 4th, 2005 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Big {Daddy}
Most of the world doesn't have governments employing "politics of fear", and if they do, the population is generally concious enough to see through it.
Exactly. It's almost like a society of fear, or culture of fear, easily exploited to achieve political aims.

Blood n Guts June 4th, 2005 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SpiderGoat
Easy Pethegreat...

Every system can evolve into a tyranny, as history shows, which is why you shouldn't treat things like giving presidents extra power lightly. I thought you Americans said: "The price for freedom is eternal vigilance." (Jefferson)

Edit: I hope I'm not going to get "Well it can't happen to us as a responce."
No you won't. You'll get a history lesson though. Thomas Jefferson was somewhat of a hypocrite. He ran on a platform of strict adherence to the constitution, promising to stay soundly inside the box of Presidential powers. He even started his own party, the anifederalists on this platform. This quote is from before he was president (or maybe after, he made a serious flip flop) Of course, once he entered the presidency, he found his own beliefs impractical, stretching his powers to the extreme. For that, he is remembered as one of our best presidents. All of our great presidents toed the line of presidential powers. It is our worst presidents that did nothing, watching incompetence and corruption fester around them.

Of Tyranny. Lincoln was considered a tyrant by his enemies. After all, he suspended due process of law (habeas corpus), even declared marshal law in several states. Of course we find this view to be fallacy, as after the Civil War, we find Lincoln opposed to military occupation of the South. His "tyrannical" policies most probably saved the Union by preventing the Border States from seceding.

Of Constant Vigilance. People thought that Andrew Jackson would end the Republic when he entered office. He even ignored two direct Supreme Court rulings. But did Democracy end: no, and it most certainly was not constant vigilance on the account of his opposition that prevented democracy from falling. It is a common misconception today that the people opposite to you in the political spectrum will destroy the country, and sentiments like “constant vigilance” perpetuate the misconception.

It's not a it can't happen to us response, its a political enemies always view each other with blind malice, and the Thomas Jefferson quote has proven incorrect response.

Agentlaidlaw June 4th, 2005 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by -DarthMaul-
what are you talking about? China is boosting its technological progress and has alot of fairly good military equipment that could actually finally put a fight aginst the invincible american soldier.

anyhow, I dont agree that china is a threat.. h epropably said that because someone will bitch slap america around. a country that will put america in its place atleast when it comes to asian afairs.
Yeah they now got to 1980's, 1990's technology lol....

Strelok16 June 5th, 2005 12:16 AM
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we'll be good as long as we keep our first few ammendments, especially the first and second.

time to start worryin is when they start arresting people for saying stuff against the president and trying to take our guns.

Bush's reign lol

if it was a liberal/democrat president in office and he was doing the same thing, which odds are he would be, id like to see what youd say then.

SpiderGoat June 5th, 2005 08:01 AM
Re: Seems Im not the only one worried about China.
 
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Originally Posted by Blood n Guts
[color=black][color=black]No you won't. You'll get a history lesson though. Thomas Jefferson was somewhat of a hypocrite. He ran on a platform of strict adherence to the constitution, promising to stay soundly inside the box of Presidential powers. He even started his own party, the anifederalists on this platform. This quote is from before he was president (or maybe after, he made a serious flip flop) Of course, once he entered the presidency, he found his own beliefs impractical, stretching his powers to the extreme.
And? Seneca minor is still quoted, though he was an unbelievable hypocrite, which is why he said "Live after my teachings, not my life." (Leef naar mijn leer, niet naar mijn leven.) Quotes can be taken (and used) out of context, something that happens all the time.

Also, I merely used the quote to illustrate my point. I've heard several Americans use it on this forum, so I thought I'd make it easier to understand, since my post was directed towards Americans.


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