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High School Drop Out Kids Do you think that kids should be allowed to drop out of high school? What about kids who really don't do anything in school (as in, they've got like a .3 GPA and don't care) should they be kicked out? I think that they should, but the problem is, what stops them from being criminals later in life, due to the lack of education, and crappy outlook on life? We can't exactly kill off the supid people either. :D |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids Let them do what they want, it's their life they are fucking up. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids :agreed what would be the point in not letting them drop out of school, they would just do something that would get themselves expelled anyways; like jhawk says-let them ruin their own lives! then, when they're 50-ish, living in a box with a grade whatever education, and no experience for any type of employment, no money, and no social life, have them come back and talk to future students! |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids I'd say if they have anything below a %40 and exibit no effort in learing then they should be kicked out. The only problem is that my school would only have 500 people in, down from the 1100 in there now:p. I'm glad the bad ones drop out after 10th grade though, but high school though 12 grade should be mandatoy. I have met some people who have a %14 in my honors english class. They are too lazy to drop out and are having to make up their grade now. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids Yes, but wouldn't it create more crime, and other issues if so many people (and I'm guessing it's ALOT) just dropped out? The best jobs they could hope for would be working at a gas station or something. I'm looking forward to the dropout year, because hopefully it will get rid of many of the dumber and more...obnoxious, students. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids i agree let them fuck up there lives......... |
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Re: High School Drop Out Kids we dont have an "leerplicht" ("learning duty") till your 18 for nothing, you HAVE to go to school by law till that age. And no drop outs should not be allowed, just chose a lower educational level, if you cant finish highschool at the lowest level you belong in a house for mentally ill). Besides if they dont finish their education they most likly will never get a job and thus have to live of our money, live on the streets or turn criminal. And i wouldn't like to finance people who arent willing to work for their education to secure a decent job. the other options arent nice either. |
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Re: High School Drop Out Kids i say u take all the failing kids in each grade and make a dumb class for ever grade............100 in a class? |
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Re: High School Drop Out Kids Kids are not mature enough to know what is good for them, therefore allowing them to drop out of school before the age of 17 or whatever would be stupid. But i would like more people to get kicked out of non-compulsary education. There are some real retards on my course, who do no work, but for some reason still stay. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids well in my district all the kids who ussually would drop out go to a secondary and much easier school. I am guessing dropouts in washington state are going to increase dramitically thought. Starting next year so anyone who is a freshman now. You will have to pass a test called the WASL to graduate highschool. I will be taking this test for two week starting tomorrow. But being a sophomore I do not have to pass. I hear only about 60% of people pass it but you get 4 chances. You also have to take it in 4th 7th and 8th grade. But you dont have to pass those. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids Yes, we have the High School Exit Exams here in California, you have to pass them as a Sophomore, or else you can't graduate. Right now, as a freshman, we're starting S.T.A.R.S testing (similiar to Massachusettes MCAS). All my threads are so popular lately, lol. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids They should make it a law to have to pass highschool. If you can't pass the first time you have the rest of your life to try. Question: Do drop-outs (and facilities where drop-outs live/eat) take out of our tax dollars? |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids Since kids are legally required to stay in school until 18 years of age, I think we should be more focused on improving the public education system as it is. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids I don't know, probably. The issue is comparing how much it costs to keep a kid in school who isn't worth it, and paying for him while he's in prison after becoming a criminal. |
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If a kid is too stupid to realize he needs to stay in school he deserves whatever life gives him. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids I always feel tempted to walk up to those kids and ask "What's it like to totally screw up your life, and not know you're doing it?" |
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Re: High School Drop Out Kids Exactly, that's what I meant. Yes, it would be simpler to just let them go, but then that leaves a high risk of them becoming criminals, where they'll screw up more than their own lives. Too bad there's no way we can just get rid of them. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids I believe that, even though they aren't succeeding, children should be kept in school. Perhaps something will sink in. It seems worth it, even if all they learn is addition. |
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Re: High School Drop Out Kids Is it a certainty that they will become criminals though? What about children out in the countryside that recieve little to no education? (I'm speaking of children who are seriously out there, in the bush.) |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids Well, the kids that usually don't care about school, or their grades, usually have parents who don't care either, right? The kids are never really taught morals, or proper behavior, they just do what they feel like, when they feel like it. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids All of that has a firm grounding, yes. But I was inquiring as to the status of country children. These children are very moral and ethical, but the recieve little schooling. However, they do work more around the home and at jobs that other children. I propose that a job, with chores at home, can provide a much better enviroment for morality than school. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids Well, it's a combination of both that would truly be better then either alone, right? You need school to increase your knowledge, and home to teach you morals and values. A sort of overlooked fact on school is that it teaches you social skills, tolerance, and common sense, as well as conventional education. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids I wonder what the cost is of keeping a failing student in school is compared to what it costs o keep them in prision. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids with a decent re-integration program, pocket money, prison running costs, services etc. i think they wouldn't be too far apart. And besides i rather pay a little more to prevent somebody from ennding up as a criminal and perhaps do some really sick stuff then to to things afterwards (emprisonment). |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids Does it matter? In think that a man in prison will always cost more than a child in school, if you get my little philosophical meaning here. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids Yes, it can be prevented beforehand by good parenting, and good eductaion. |
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Re: High School Drop Out Kids I see at least three reasons why kids shouldn't be allowed to make such a dramatic decision by themselves. Man, I hate the term 'kids'. Makes me sound old and patronising, which really isn't what I intend to come off as. But children sounds even more so, and calling them 'My Precious Ones' just sounds bloody creepy. Anyway. First off, ignorance. Kids are, I'm afraid to say, largely in the dark when it comes to the 'outside world'. Take it from someone who only left full-time education a couple of years ago; when they kick you out the doors and tell you where to shove the certificates you just spent more than a decade earning, you learn a few things. Firstly, obviously, you learn how to remove rolled-up certificates from where the sun rarely shines. Secondly you learn how to clean those certificates so that you can still use them. And thirdly, you learn about employment, taxation, various laws and customs you were never aware of but are now completely exposed to, a sense of responsibility more powerful than you ever experienced while in school, and, most importantly of all, what employers want. I'm sorry to say that if you want a job in a better place than McDonalds, you need a wad of certificates glowing with institutionalised qualifications. That's not to say that McDonalds isn't a decent place to work -- it's better than claiming benefits, and I bet it's a lot of fun to spit in the burgers and watch all those fools mistake it for mayonnaise. But if you have any sort of ambition, or self-respect, you don't want to spend your life working in a fast-food restaurant. School's dull; everyone knows it. Anyone interested in learning hates that it's institutionalised. Anyone interested in socialising hates that you get homework, and aren't really allowed to do much talking while you're in there. Anyone interested in gaming just hates the fact that you have to do anything other than gaming, or even waking up in the morning. Anyone interested in frogs hates that the government doesn't let you kill them anymore. But it's important, and leaving on a whim isn't the smart thing to do. If you have a plan, great. If you're that smart and that organised, you would probably save that plan until school's over anyway. You might need those certificates if your plan falls on its face and gets run over by a juggernought. Regardless of your plans, you need to have school qualifications as a back-up plan if nothing else. They're very important to your future. And I don't think many kids understand just how important they are. It's only after a few years of experience and industrial qualifications that you're likely to get away with not having any school qualifications, but of course, you won't likely get any of this without having those school qualifications to start with. Secondly, tax burden. People pay a lot of money to keep schools up and running, in the UK and Europe at least. I personally think of it as repaying the education system for all the time I spent there, rather than paying to educate other people's kids, though whatever. For kids to leave school, claim unemployment benefits, claim the time of social workers and possibly the attentions of the police just doesn't seem fair on the tax payer, in my opinion. My status as an actual tax payer might make me slightly biased on that front, but, meh. The last thing society needs is irresponsible, short-sighted and ignorant kids leaving school early because it's boring and taking up the profession of professional bum instead. That's not to say that all kids would end up being criminals on benefits. I'm sure a handful of them may have legitimate, honest reasons to quit. But if they had legitimate, honest reasons to quit -- they could make their case with the support of their parents! The majority of people won't likely have a very good reason. Finally, it's more than likely that a kid leaving school is going to be doing so on a whim, or because of something specific which only has short-term effects. One day, something might happen which makes them stand up and say "To hell with this place and its affiliation with penguins, I'm out!". Well, the last thing you want to give impulsive kids is the right to completely mess up their lives over some social disagreement they may have had, or just finding school 'boring'. I felt like walking out of school many times for various petty things, and I'm glad that doing so would have been illegal. Frankly speaking, I don't think the majority of kids are responsible enough to handle that sort of power. It's the same reason why I disagree with the idea of lowering the voting age. There may be a handful of kids who are responsible enough, likely a few people from this very forum, but even so they would probably still fall under the first point I made -- a lack of worldly experience. In Britain, you are legally required to attend full time education until the age of 16. College and university is entirely optional. I used to be in favour of the idea of making college (thus, up to the age of 18 or so) mandatory too. However, I had a quick realisation not too long ago -- the economy would completely collapse if there weren't people filling unskilled jobs and the like. So that idea isn't too hot. But you won't even get one of those jobs if you don't have the two most basic qualifications -- English and Maths. And so high school qualifications at least should be mandatory -- and they already are, so I'm not really sure what I'm getting so worked up about. If anything, I think that compulsory education should be enforced even more strictly. At the moment, kids who skip school get to witness their parents being punished. I think they should receive a little punishment of their own. Slap an ASBO on their ass or something to start with, at least. I'm usually the sort of person who waves his hand in dismissal and says 'do what you want, just don't expect us to pick up the pieces'. But this is something completely different IMO -- it's certainly not something which can be easily corrected. This is your entire future. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids Nice posting Mr. Matt. I agree, having people drop out is usually due to shortsightedness and blindness towards the future. It may seem like a great idea to dump school so you can sleep in, and hang out with friends more, but in the long run, you're just screwing yourself over. As a student though, I hate seeing kids not doing anything (like refusing to take a test because they don't feel like it, don't laugh, I've seen it happen) , it just seems like such a waste of time, effort, money, and life. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids We recently took the HSGQE. The administration had to offer money and free periods in order to get other children to show up. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids Yeah, they're doing the same here for S.T.A.R.S testing, they're offering all sorts or incentives to make kids show up. If 95% of the school shows up for a testing, next week's Friday is a minimum day for students and teachers (Teachers were adamant about us coming in that case), and there are pizza parties offered for the top 10 classes with the highest attendence. It's pretty bad that some kids even need bribes to show up for a state test. Our school is new, so this test will determine whether we are a high mark school or a low mark school. It sucks to put something that can influence what college I get into into the hands of irresponsible kids. |
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http://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/eekx.gif :uhm: WTF?! something is serious messed up, bribe kids so they come to school? thats just... sad, very sad. And i thought we were screwed over here, but that? *sigh* No way a school should ever bribe their students to come to school... Track them down and drag them back to school by their hairs and have talks with the parents and tell them "less they seriously want to screw up the lives of their children they must sent their kids during classes, besides the parents are wasting money for paying school bills their kids to no attent". |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids This just goes along with kids that really have no aptitutde in school, and don't care. I'd show up for the testing even if there weren't bribes invloved (although I'd expect a halfday still, 4 hours of testing each day for 4 days is a lot). |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids Kid taking bribes to come to school...one example of the corruption in the world.....if this spread across the world........ |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids It already has, politics anyone? I've got to go to school in a few minutes, so I bet I'll get to see the like 300 (out of over a thousand I think) people that showed up for testing today. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids I think a few places here offer financial aid to students taking on further education, but only for 6th form/college, which of course I never got, certainly not high school. They should be working on ways to get kids to stay in school of their own volition, though the chances of that ever happening are so unbelievably small that you're more likely to get a badger to stand still. Even so, bribing them to come is better than them not coming at all... |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids Yeah, I was in another school district for a swim meet and I saw a little poster on the wall that offered kids 5 grade points on their semester grade if the passed the TAKS test (Texas Assesment of Knowledge Skills). This is really sad, because if you don't pass the exam, that pretty much qualifies you as a certified dumbass. (For example, one of the 'harder' questions is "During World War II, Germany, Japan, and Itally made up the ______ powers. Its multiple choice, too.) I also heard that the same distric is thinking about passing a law (or whatever you call it when it affects a school... you know what I mean) that says if you take an AP exam and score a three or higher, you get $300. I wish our school district would do that, because I could have an extra $600 right now, and another $900 by the end of the year... :cort: |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids Wow, I wish we had a law like that. Is it out of a total of 6 or 7? We just had our first day of STAR testing, suprisingly a lot of people showed up, tommorow will probably be a diffrent story though. Who knows what you call something that affects schools, an ordinance, a law? It shows how much education has slipped when we have to be bribed to show up for school. |
Re: High School Drop Out Kids we have star testing next week |
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