Let me make some thing(s) clear.

[TheMirage]

Ged, the thing is, the church sees it as that it is always human. I mean, like I said, it can't really be anything else. Anyway, I'm only atating the churches view to clear up some misconceptions I've noticed.

[-Logic-Is-A-Virtue-]

I am trying to explain this without religion being involved. A man may marry a woman because he can have intent, meaning he wants to, to reproduce even if he can't physically do it. In a gay marraige you have no choice about whether you want to or not because you are both the same sex and the parts don't fit, at least like they are supposed to. Civil unoins would ahve the same legalities as marraige just a different name and you can marry someone else without getting a divorce though it would desolve the civil union.

[TheMirage]

I appreciate that, but this is the religion forum, and the thread was made for people to see the churches belifes, and ask questions. Please lets stck to that!

[-Logic-Is-A-Virtue-]

It is also a religious forum that is full fo atheist and you can't reason with atheist through religion, you have to play in there ball park. Besides the religous aspect is already clear.

[TheMirage]

good point. Still, I'd preferr questions to counter-explanations.

[D.Sporky!]

Originally Posted by Ged

Up until a certain point these are just biological machines.
That it is a ‘human’ life does not make it worth anymore than a carrots ‘life’ or a rabbits ‘life’.
When does something stop being a machine and become human?
The simple truth is that after all these years we still don’t know what it is to be human. One thing we can be sure of however is that so long as something remains purely a machine, biologically based or not, it cannot qualify as human.

Actually:

Milestones of human development begin early. For example the human heart beings to form 18 days after conception and exhibits a measurable heart beat at 21-24 days. The brain begins to form at this time and produces measurable brain waves at day 40. By examining abortion statistics, we can determine that all abortions occur after the fetal heart has begun to beat. The vast majority of abortions occur after fetal brain waves have begun. Contrary to the claims of pro-abortion advocates, the fetus at the point of abortion is not just a "blob of tissue" to be described in terms of small size or weight. Even in early abortions, the fetus has all the parts of a human being. The descriptions of those who have watched abortion procedures are quite revealing. Dr. David Brewer said "I opened the sock up and i put it on the towel and there were parts of a person. I'd taken anatomy; I was a medical student. I knew what I was looking at. there was a little scapula and there was an arm, and I saw some ribs and a chest, and i saw a little tiny hand...I checked it out and there were two arms and two legs and one head, etc., and I turned and said, I guess you got it all ... It was pretty awful that first time... it was like somebody put a hot poker into me."


It's life, the facts are there.