Celsius 41.11
 

Anyone hear about this movie?

I heard its the truth to the issues discussed in Farenheit 9/11.

Celsius 41.11 is supposedly when the brain tissue dies.

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Nothing wrong with this.

Fahrenheit may be biased, but of course it is, its a political film. I respect the filmmaker's right here to make this film completely. I'm not going to make a stink over this like the Cons did over Fahrenheit 9/11. And they accuse LIBERALS in the media of tring to suppress free speech..

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The only major impacts that Farhenheit 9/11 was the part when he asked the people to put their childer into the army, the interview with the mother, the footage from Iraq, and the moral "The people that put us into war are the rich people yet the only people brave enough to stand up and risk their lives for it are the poor people."

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the part where one by one comes and says there is no signature of a senator
and the part where bush just sits and then continues reading.

when is 41.11 being released?

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Im not sure, I just saw a small preview for it, 'coming soon'....

Hopefully it will actually be the truth and not mere propoganda that farenheit was...

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isnt it a bit late? for propaganda i.e, the elections are just around

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Well there was indeed the little incident of John Kerry & Company trying to suppress the Swifties.

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I kinda heard a little about this movie on the radio... I might look into it more, i dunno.

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If it turns out to be true, I will go see it but I dont want to go see propoganda

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Its nice to see that fat ass moore getting butchered.

But of course this movie will be biased as well. Hopeful not as much as the horible movie, but we can only hope.

Id like to see moore run for president, imagine all the crap they could dig up on him.

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It's all BS.

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Sorry, but you have not seen the movie yet, so I don't think you have a right to call it bullshit. If the movie shows a lot of things about John Kerry and his military record, I will not watch it because frankly, I respect John Kerry for fighting in Vietnam even if he was only in there for three months. I also could not care less that Bush didn't fight, it was his choice and people should lay off it.

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People really dont care what happened 30 years ago....they care what they have said in the past 30 days

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there is nothing wrong with freedom of speech but making a film about your oppinion and calling it truth is wrong. I dont care if he makes a movie he has every right to do that but to say that is is all the truth and then to say that bush was responsible for 9/11 when he had only been in office for a few months is just a load of bullshit

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agreed...

Micheal Moore, ironicly, says Bush lied about WMD's, yet Moore lies every heartbeat in Farenheit 9/11

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if any president should be blamed for 9/11 it would have to be clinton. the world trade centers had already been attacked during his term and yet he did nothing and there werent any movies that came out about him being responsible and like i said in my other post Bush had just come into office a few months before 9/11 a few months is barely enough time to get used to living in a new house it takes more than just a few moths to completly change the leadership of a country

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^couldn't have said it better myself
Celsuis 41.11 saw the trailer great looks great
Farenhype911 looks better though they got Zell Miller in on it!

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After the first first trade center attack Clinton had an unmanned aircraft with hellfire missiles on it looking at Bin Laden with its camera. The general had the damn thing locked on to Bin Laden's head when he called Clinton to ask for permision to kill Bin Laden. Clinton said no even though he had an executive assassination order out on him. What an indecisive idiot. His mistakes have cost our country thousands of lives.

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^source that
i dont think its true...
though he did let bin laden slip through our fingers 3 times!

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My bad. I looked it up and the drones weren't armed, but they could have used the built in laser system to guide a cruise missile which is actually better than a hellfire. A cruise missile would definately kill the SoB. I couldn't find the video were the camera zoomed in real close.

While looking at these different sites they all make a big deal at how the Bush administaration failed to kill Osama with unmanned drones but barely even talk about how Clinton could have killed him three times. What a bunch of baised bastards.

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I wouldn't be so down on Bush if he wasn't in bed with Christian Reconstructionists.

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F 9/11 was about truth and wanting the world to know, while C 4/11 or whatever is about propaganda.

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Both of the movies have political biased agenda, as much as I liked F9/11 I know it wasnt a documentary

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While I do not support Bush, F 9/11 had a little too much propaganda in it to be called a truthful video. Although some points, like Bush and his ties to the Saudi royal family were good. I think the part showing Bush's reaction to the twin towers hitting the building was distasteful.

A lot of "exagerated" claims were made in the film. I have looked up many sources on the internet to find out if some claims made in the movie were false or not. Turns out most of the ones that are said to be false are just exagerated.

This C 41.11 is looking out to be just as propaganda filled.

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Dear god mihial your joking right?

F 9/11 was MICHEAL MOORE'S VERSION of the truth...not the real truth.

C 41.11 is supposedly the counter-arguments. If it is not propoganda, I will go see it. If it is propoganda, it gets tacked next to moore's movie.

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Wtf is 'the real truth'?

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The real truth is just like getting sworn in at a court. The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. In other words don't lie, don't leave parts out, don't put a few false statements in with the true statements, and don't exagerrate.

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Like it or not, michael moores movie was politically driven, but it's no were near the "lies and half truths" as the republican elite want you to think it was. F 9/11 had alot of vailed points that are true and not bullshit as most republicans swear it is. This is not me just trying to stand up for michael moore, I could care less about him, but This is the same information I'v been saying on here since I'v joined.

I found the movie to be much more truthful then one day of listening to republican radio, rush limbaugh and sean hannity.

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http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm

Read the so called "lies the leftists don't want you to hear". http://www.gamingforums.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif

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So you're implying that there's a 'universal truth'? Damn, I go off-topic so easily...

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Thats so untrue you make me want to believe OJ is spending the rest of life finding the real killer!!!
F 9/11 was Moore's version of the truth,....what he believes is the truth. It was pure propoganda and nothing less.

No it didnt. I didnt waste the time to watch it but I have heard so many analysists talking about it and nearly half the movie's clamins can be proven false easily.

Uh-huh.... :rolleyes:

Well thats why...Rush limbaugh? You expected something useful from him? :lol:

You want the truth listen to O'Reilly. *And do not call him a conservitive unless you have complete and unquestionable proof that he is or you are just spreading defmation and I will call you on it*

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Yeah keep telling yourself, and while your at it, also tell yourself that Saddam had connections with the Killers of 3000 americans.


:o you did not even see the movie and your talking about it? Yeah umm your opinions are now void about F 9/11.


Indeed, thanks for agreeing with me. after all I am correct.


I have listened to O'reilly and his so called Factor, and his "no spin zone" but really, Bush Limbaugh and O'reilly are no different, they spew the same information and the same SPIN your repeating now after listening to him.

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How about
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/...ves/000482.php

OR

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/fahre...raqalqaeda.htm

OR

http://www.intelmessages.org/Hack/ZA...tacks%2003.htm

There are many other links to be found within these. You should Check em' out too.:deal:

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C'mone logic, give me my answer. Is truth universal? Give me something! :p

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havnt seen it yet

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What exactly do you mean by "universal" truth? There is only one truth to any situation but there are an infinite amount of lies. I guess that is why our justice system sucks. There is also one best way to do something. It is a matter of opinion of whether to you it is the best. Best being defined as the fasted, easiest, least costly, and results in the geatest ratio of outcome (I.E. it is effecient).

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So you say there is ONE truth. I'm in court, and I call my opponent an idiot, why saying that I'm not. He says I'm the idiot, and he's not. Who is lying?

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What is thruth?

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Well, yeah, that kinda is my point.

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The third option to that question is that you are both lieing, which can be the truth, and yes there is always one truth to any situation.

Truth is pure fact of what happened, what is, or what will happen with no opiniations, deletion of some aspects, or additions in anyway, shape, or form.

BTW is opiniations a word? If it isn't it should be.

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I think that in most cases, 'pure fact', as you state, does not exist, since it is influenced by the subject, as Shopenhauer showed us. I do think that 'pure fact' exists in mathematics: 3+3=6. Is there anyone who thinks 3+3=8?

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Anyone that thinks that 3+3=8 is wrong and is therefor believeing in a lie. If you changed the definition of three in a way that it equaled four then 3+3=8 would become true. There is a truth that says whoever makes the definition has the power. Definitions in general are what the majority of people think they are. If you educate these people to believe in your definition then you control the definition and therefor you control the people that believe the definition because you are influencing truth. I hope that wasn't too complicated.

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:confused:
:wtf:


I havent seen it all the way thru, I have just seen clips, and I will never see that "movie". I got fed up with what I was watchng so I just watched Band of Brothers for the 316th time.

And a bit cocky, dont ya think?

Ok well I see no proof that you have offered so go look for some, k? Either prove O'Reilly is the conservitive you think he is *even tho you are automaticially wrong because he is a registered independent*, so go search in a futile effort to save some of your credibility.

And get your personal facts straight Mihial..I dont listen to Limbaugh unless O'Reilly takes the day off, then I listen to a local guy, Rodger Hedgecock, and if hes out them I may listen to Limbaugh.

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Ah, but - ergo - the definitions 'makes' the truth, and as definitions differ, truth differs. Two different 'truths' could infact be opposites!

I just watched some foxnews stuff - the horror! In the first thing I found, they were talking about Kerry's campaign, and were bashing him. Saying he was a liar, had no evidence, and just got all his criticism from a newspaper. (Not that, even IF this would all be true, a reporter should remain objective, simply stating the facts.)

O'Reilly: "I really don't understand why so many people hate Bush, he has faced more problems than any other American president has ever faced. [...]"
"(About terrorism) Many nations are simply too cowardly [...]"

The next piece I watched was entirely dedicated to bashing the New York Times.

In the mean time, I could watch adds: 'Vets expose Kelly', 'Kerry: "Stop this film.", "Support Bush for another Republican victory." Great...

Now I get where this thing about all media being 'liberal' and 'anti-Bush'. Fox constantly accuses them of these things.

They defend Bush (in 3 different pieces!) from the stolen explosives incident.

"At this point, when there are barbarians at the gate [...]"

I'm gonna stop now.

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Nearly all News stations are extremely liberal. Fox news saw that the republican market wasn't being satisfied, the perfect opportunity to make money. Even though they are somewhat conservative they are still closer to the middle than the other stations. They normally have a two people in there discussions, a democrat and repbulican. Hannity and Colmes is the opposite, one person to be interviewed and two anchors, one democrat/socialist the other a conservative. Fox news also shows both Kerry and Bush speeches often even when you can find them on the other stations. They make the attempt to be balanced while others do not.

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Nice spin there, you didnt mention they (who is they 'they' anyhow, u musta been watching some commentators) also critize Bush just as much. They point out what both canidates should and should not do as far as what would help them.

[QUOTE=SpiderGoat]AhSaying he was a liar, had no evidence, and just got all his criticism from a newspaper. (Not that, even IF this would all be true, a reporter should remain objective, simply stating the facts.)
Well if Kerry WAS LIEING, you cant be mad at them for calling him on it.

That is true dude....France wont fight, Canada wont, and many others, because they dont want their own 9/11 attacks.

Im not suprised after the attacks the Times dishes out.

They run ads but they run them equelly.

And they are right.

Because Bush had nothing to do with that! He didnt say 'steal them weapons!'...

So just because they defend the President from wrongfull critizism, they are conservitive?

Last part made no sense.


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Thats it right there, well said Logic. :bows:

O'Reilly always has a pro & con people in an interview about what ever, and he moderates the discussion.

You people *wrongfully* think hes consevitive because he doesnt follow mainstream media tactics and bash conservitives.

And some of you may kno that O'Reilly interviewed President Bush. He offered an interview to Kerry numerous times, which under Kerry's own fault, refused to happen. I believe if he had come on, he would have gotten a few voters, but he has cut himself off from the media. So O'Reilly went out of his way to get a Kerry interview, and finially interviewed people close to him.

A Conservitive person wouldnt have given a flying sh*t....O'Reilly did.

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politics today have gotten out of hand im not going to see celsius 41.1 for the same reason why i will not see farenheight 9/11

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not a bad idea....see movies based on fun and enjoyment, not politics