Christianity - Religion of violence?
 

Why are Christians so intolerant?

Why do they bomb abortion clinics? Why did they commit genocide against hundreds of thousands of Bosnian Muslims? Why did they committ genocide on Lebanese Muslims? Why was I physically assaulted several times in my former hometown for not believing in God by these Christian people?

It seems these Christians are all about violence as the path to God, and intolerance.

I am an athiest myself. My path allows me to make my decisions based on my own ideas, intelligence etc. and is pro-peace, harmony, and anti-irrationality.

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Religion is the opium of the masses. Atheism:bows:

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I agree, 100%.

However I am posting this thread to demonstrate your stupidity in your "Islam - Religion of violence?" thread. It was simplistic and generalizing. Islam is no more violent or idiotic than any religion out there including Christianity which is why I made this thread.

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Thanks for your compliments. I was getting around making one for the Christianity, you beat me to it:D

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Will i do not know whats happened to you dead or what any "christians" have done to you, but god doesnt tell us to comit genocide or beat athiest till the believe in jesus. Actually it says that if someone doesnt share the same beliefs as you to show them gods love and accept them for who they are.

When you say that athiesm allows you to have your own decisions and what? Does a christain like me not use my intelligence to make decisions. I dont see why you think that someone who believes in god is just a zombie who walks around with a bible in thier pocket and takes it out everytime they are about to do something.

Let me ask you this are there no intollerant athiest?

Im sure my post wont change anything, its an aguement thats been had at it for too many years. Im sorry you've come across some bad apples. Some people claim to be christians but that doesnt mean they know jesus. There's a difference between a religion and a relationship with christ.

Anyways have a good night or day depending on when you read this.

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Sometimes you need a painkiller.


And I would say organized religion is the opium of the masses. But thas just me.

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I'm a Christian...I've never killled anyone. You must remember that all religions have extremists, they do not represent the majority.

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I have been a christian for 9 years. as far as I can remember I havn't blown up any abortion clinics or killed any jews or muslims.

People love to look and judge things by the extremes. These people need to realise that they're generalising millions of people by the actions of a few.

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Why did Turkish Muslisms kill 1.6 million Christian Armenians during World War 1 and nobody has been punished? That's a question I'd like answered. The Fuckers got away with fucking genocide. And all the jews get the attention :cort:

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What does it matter? It's not a competition to see who has had the worst acts committed against them. The people who committed these acts will all be old, in a few years they will all be dead, let time have it's way.

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if you really want to get back at vladtemplar make a thread titled

"JEDIISM-THE RELEGION OF FOOLS" :lol:

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Which nutcase bombed an abortion clinic? YOu can't say 'Protect the babies' and then blow up a building with doctors, mothers, and babies in it.

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Here, Ill quote myself from that thread:
"Jediism combines the best elements of many World Religions.

Its just as fictional as any other "holy" books- They are all written by mortals. I choose to follow Jedi code, you follow something else... Its the same"

As you can see, you can't really "get back" at me. Its not my religion

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my, my... you're always right aren't you?

Care to back up that the bible is infact a "fictional" story book? Sure, it was written by mortals, but does that make it any less true? if so, how? (don't be arrogant by saying something lame that the people who wrote it were bored and decided to go write a random story book.)

Do you know wether there is a god? (don't be arrogant by saying yes.)

Why are you always so much on the offense, belitteling other people's beliefs?

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I don't call those people christains who do not follow and represent true christains. Christianity is the best religion I ever found, but who follows it to every word or almost to every word are very hard to find of such people. I believe it is not by the religion to separate the bad from the good but it is by an each different individuals so don't judge that all Christains are bad, there are a few who are better people than me and you and yet they are christians because they follow the Bible. If you want to say most of the christians are bad, well fine I can't say anything to that except that those people are blind, they don't know what they are doing, most people seek love and peace but they are trusting and listening to the wrong people and leaders.

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Prove that it was written by god

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Like I said before, I posted this thread to mainly make a point about vlad's hate-mongering "Islam - religion of violence" thread.

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prove that it wasn't. (I've turned into sporky... NOOOOOOOO!!!11!!1oneonetwotwoeleven!11)

see how pointless this is?

you can't back up your claim, so don't say it's the truth.

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Im with stapler on this one.

If you cant back up your claim dont make it

Almost every religion has its extremist who are violent. There is no real most violent religion, as almost all have commited henious acts (or rather the extremists more commonly) at some time or another.

Its a shame that the acts of one, condemn the lives of the many.

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Well than why Christians and Muslims say that their "holy" books are written by God and are true. They can not prove it. So according to you, they should not go around making those claims

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If thread continues to be spammed up by incessant bickering, the punishment will be harsh.

I'm tired of this crap already.

OnT: Vlad, can you infact prove that the bible is fictional?

I am not asking people to back up the bible, rather unfounded claims like 'god is gay'. If you can find proof then fine, but if not, dont post it.

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First of all, I didnt say that god is gay. I dont know his/her sexual preference. Secondly, you have a double standard. Religious people can make claims without backing them up, like that God exists, and bible is written by him, yet I am required to provide proof of god's inexistence. You are biased sir

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Did I say that you said god was gay? I was using an obviously idiotic example.

Religous claims like 'god exists' i would say, are backed up by the bible, and miracles and other such artifacts etc.

If you can disprove this 'evidence' I.E. you have proof the bible is a story, then post it.

Consequently, if someone has evidence the bible is dead cert. 100% fact, then they post that as well.

Get the picture?

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probably not.

damn, I'm defending christianity. I must have sporky fever or something.

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Why do you need proof that it is real. Can't you just have faith? In reading all of these posts, this is my belief: True christians are not violent. Killing is against the bible and it is dumb for someone to kill because they don't like killing. We are taught that people can make their own decisions but we must tell them of God's truth. I do not, and we should not, force our beliefs on others but rather tell them about it and let them make up their own mind. We only try to save others because we care about them, not because we want to force everyone to act a certain way.

It takes only ONE thing to be a christian. You must accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, nothing else. We are not require to go to church, read the Bible, harass others with other beliefs, act a certain way, dress a certain way, cause terrorism because somebody is not doing what we like them to do, etc. We do what we do to honor God, and what I mean by this is the good things we do (what you would expect a christian to generally do). Those who kill and cause terorrism in the name of Christ are not honoring God in doing that and are not true Christians.

I tolerate any religion. We are taught to try to tell others the good news but not force them into it. I don't care what religion you are, you are a person to me. We are taught to love everyone, friends and enemies (and i am not implying that anyone of you are an enemy), believers and nonbelievers.

And yes we are not perfect! Nobody is! If we tried to be perfect, we would kill ourselves (everyone would)! We instead try to live a good and righteous life but we should not try to be perfect. Jesus died so we can live and be free of sin. You can do anything you want. This does not mean that you should accept christ and then be a mass murder or something. That is using God. Those people are not true christians.

I honestly believe that we believe in the same God too (except those that do not believe in God, which is ok), but we do it in a different way. Why fight! It is retarded. Just spread the truth and let others make up their own mind.

Christianity is NOT a violent religion, nor is any other religion. The reason people get violent about their religion is that they become intolerant and think that the only way to get others to convert is to scare them, or they can't stand these people and try to kill them. Passionate belief is good, but sometimes people express it in the wrong way. Christians that kill others for their belief are not martyrs, they are intolerant. Spread the word and be friends, even if they want to be enemies. Thats as far as it should go.

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but...but isn't that a good thing? :D :p


vlad: stop being ignorant, evey single religion in the world takes faith to believe. You cannot prove all christianities claims, yet you cannot disprove them. Christianity is a belief in whichthere is a supernatural being watching over earth, his creation. Can you prove that he is not there? No, so stop acting like it's a fact that he is not! Can we prove that he is there? Well this is where faith comes in. Remember, absense of proof is not proof of absense. ;)



Very good post Killer Kyle.

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This is quite good timing actually, recently in an RS lesson we were tlaking about Jesus being a (like a rebel outa star wars, i cant remember their names). But the main point was we were shown a picture of jesus with a hunting rifle over his back, and the analysis was that he would fight and kill for what he beleived was right. And also in the bible apparantly (although ive never read it) it says jesus went to a temple and there were gamblers and stiff out side and he started beating them up or somthing along those lines. So in a way chrisitinality is about violence as if god existed and he flooded everyone etc. dosent that show violence for what he beleives?


EDIT: and Kyle, isent it ironic that in your name you call yourself a killer?

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"Love you enemies, pray for those who persecute you, do good to those who spitefully use you." Sound like violence to you? "Thou shalt love the lord your God with all your heart soul and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself." Does that sound like violence?


didn't think so, those are two of the core messages in the Bible.

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in no way did i mean that christianity is about violence, im saying that in the bible there re references to youre saviour preforming violent acts and sometimes condoning it, sorry if it came across wrong.

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Oh that's quite alright, twas my bad really.

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It isn't violent. And it isn't ironic. I call myself Killer Kyle because it rhymes and sounds cool (i hope). It does not imply that I am violent. Just because I call myself Killer doesn't make me one. I just came in and wanted to answer your argument and hopefully not rekindle any argument between you two.

Jesus did get mad at the temple, but he did not beat anybody up (as far as I know). There is violence in the bible (lots in old testament as far as I know), but that does not mean that we are violent. Some of those were acts for God (unlike abortion clinic bombings/senseless violence) while others were the sins of others. And yes, biblical figure were violent for no reason or bad reasons. Again not everyone is perfect, and most biblical figures made a mess up or two (except Jesus).

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correct, any extremists from any religion is incompetent and uneducated. what people who are against abortion fail to understand is something so clearly simple. darwin's theory, which basicly states: "If your storng you live if your weak you die."

in other words: if that fetus cannot defend itself then it deserves to die

end of discussion

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'"If your strong you live if your weak you die."
in other words: if that fetus cannot defend itself then it deserves to die'

Might makes right, egh. So according to you it was right for Hitler to systematically exterminate the Jews, it was right for the terrorists on 9/11 to kill those people because they couldn’t defend themselves?

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this is the law of nature simple as that it doesnt matter if it is worng or right if the jews from the holocaust and victims of 9/11 could defend themselfs and win then we wouldnt be calling them victims now would we?

and btw what does the theory of evolution have to do with anything again im confused so I think I should start posting random images

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lol you might have Vladtemplar buying a bible, then posting violent verses.(if any)

No It Isnt Islam is! seriously you cant make such a claim. every one will say no my religion is better, and so on. a jewish will say no mine is better,a hindu will say no mine is better. etc, etc.

I am not trying to say that christians are violent but...

Why did Europeans kill 1,200,000+ Muslims and no one was punished(except getting pwn3d)?

Why did american/british christians slaughter(Genocide) 4 million+ Native americans?

The fuckers got away with fucking genocide. and americans still got all the attention.

Christians, Muslims, and jews(it gets diffent when you talk about region IE: Israel), have been violent but not in such a way as Hitler, or Stalin.


Note: im not saying christians are violent. i am saying that every one is. but not as violent as Vlad makes it sound.

note: this thread was made to show how stupid Vlad sounded when he was talking about islam. not to really make a point.

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good question

Because they believe abortion is a form of murder.

I dont kno, mabey because they were a different religion?

same reason as above

thats a narrow minded statement and also a stereotypical one

I too an am athiest, and personally, if it wernt so widly believed, I would think religion is just for insecure people who cant think for themselves. Basicially, in my eyes, religion was used hundreds of years ago to enforce morality and keep civilization civlized. Noone really knows if its true.

I just have trouble believing that there is 1 all powerful god controlling everything. too many questions and too few answers.

I do believe tho, that people should be free to express whatever religion they wish, and I also believe that they should not try to impress their beliefs on other people.

I think that religion can bring a sense of stability to people who need it or bring peace to those that seek it, even if I dont believe in it.

But I have heard of far more Muslim acts of violence 'in the name of Alliah' than Christian acts of violence. (one example: 9/11 was done in the name of the muslim god)...

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These 'radicals' act behind the name not for the name.
They could act using the name of Cadbury chocolate, this does not make all people who eat Cadburys bad.

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You've HEARD.

I only have to say that just because it was done by muslims dosent mean he did it ''in the name of allah''.

Dosent make it a better reason for ANY ONE.

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Ignorant means "not educated", when you call him ignorant, you just calling him a name.

Don't answer a question with a question.

I don't agree with religion, but I don't think any religion is violent, just the fanatics. I don't follow The Ten Commandments, I follow Virginia State Law. The Bible, The Qur'an, and The Torah were all written by people, they are all great pieces of literature, but I don't believe something I read. When I read Fight Club, I didn't start worshiping Tyler Durden and start fights with people. Look, you can't tell Atheists they are wrong, because you don't really know. I'm not an Athiest, I am not a Christian, I'm under the catagory None.

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Yes Christianity is a religion of violence, but isn't every religion? I would say simply that it is one of the most viloent but Islam is still more violent because it encourages the use of force to spread itself in the koran.

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QURAN Dosent tell us to spread with the sowrd or hoe ever your little anti-muslim friends tell you! its the fastest growing religion, and no muslim country is using brutal force right now!

Damn it people. prove it. please prove it! show me verses in the qu'ran that apply to this timeline! and lets not get off topic.

He is ignorant on some certain subjects.

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Yes Christianity is a religion of violence, but isn't every religion? I would say simply that it is one of the most viloent but Islam is still more violent because it encourages the use of force to spread itself in the koran.

My little anti-muslim friends are books of history. If you can't take criticsm then leave right now, because believe it or not Islam is the major reason why things are bad in todays world.

"No muslim country is using brutal force right"
Are you friggin kidding?
All of the Middle East is under heavy threat from terrorist trying to spread the shiite beliefs.

I am Atheist and incase you don't know anything about whats going on in the middle east maybe you should turn on the TV.

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That maybe true, I don't know, and I don't think you do either.

I'am am definatly not ignorant on the subject of religion. I have studied The Bible and other religious books, and I have made up my mind about it.

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Just because some people in a certain religion are violent does not make a religion violent. Most, if not all religions and beliefs seek peace, not violence, with others.

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So books are basicly telling you that muslims attacked the world trade center in the name of allah?


No i am not friggin kidding. the middle east isnt under threat from terrorists. AMERICA is.
and my point was arab COUNTRIES arent using brutal force, i wasnt talking about terrorists.


thats how most americans are...OH NOW MUSLIMS ATTACKED US THEY MUST ALL BE BAD THEN!

no no, i am middle eastern, i lived there nothing is bad there other then the President really...

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His posts make it obvious he is ignorant in this certain area.


That's the sum of everything right there...if only people would read it...:lookaround:

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When i saw this thread on the front page of Gaming Forums, i swear the god for a second there i thought Vladtemplar made this thread. but i found out dead made it. (he calimed his reasons for doing it)

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All this stereotypical crap makes me sad.

So, by your own reasoning, Atheists are pure evil becasue Adolf Hitler and Attilla the Hun believed in no God, and only used religion to control the masses. Nasty, exploitant slobs.

But really, the main argument for Atheism I see in the forums is that one religion demands all others are wrong, although you tend to ignore the similarities between many of the biggest and deny what I thought was obvious.

Did it ever strike you that being Atheist and saying that is extremely hippocritical?

We can find violence in every religion with more than two people in it. So, there is no violent religion, save Satanism, which happens to demand all sorts of nasty stuff. And maybe some ancient war god 'faiths'.

Put two people in a big box and they'll fight. Until there is only one person in the world, there will be violence; preachings of peace won't add to it.

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every relegion is violent , the fanatics are more vocal so we herar them more . to stop these the moderated should be more vocal in denouncing the atrocities of the fanatics,

just keeping silent and then telling that i've never murdered anyone will amount to encouraging them

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Some people keep saying that all the holy literature of the world was written by mortals, but dictionaries, encyclopedias, and every other book in existance are also written by mortals. Can we truely believe in them? What if all of a sudden every dictionary changed a word to mean something else? Everyone would believe in it because they trust the dictionary, not because they they have proof the word means something. Do you know anyone that questions a dictionary? The same thing could apply to ANY book. Civilizations throughout history have tried to rewrite history through burning all the old books and making the new ones to better themselves. How can you trust these? Through the study of language and the MANY copies of holy books throughout time, historians can see that they have barely changed, unlike most histroy books.

I hope you see my points.