Christianity - Religion of violence?

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by Bloodjunky213

Ok have you read my first two posts? Second i'm not comparing the time span. No crap hitler lived a lot shorter period. I figured that would be a given

Thus per year Christianity has caused less deaths than Hitler.
It isnt really fair to compare a religion that has been around for thousands upon thousands of years to a short burst of intensive violence. Over time any religions death toll is going to build up.

Originally Posted by Bloodjunky213

Second The point you so readily missed was In my veiw the christian religon HAS been responsible for killing people the argument was that it hassen't. This was a form of backing up my statement.

Sadly however that was never made clear by you.

Originally Posted by Bloodjunky213

Here's examples since you missed them:

Originally Posted by Bloodjunky213

Holy Wars,

My, so many holy wars.
Now holly wars are invariably waged behind the name of religion, they are not waged by the religion. You cannot fight a religion, it has no armies to kill, no countries to conquer, Likewise it has no weapons to wage war with, only people do that.
Religion is nothing but words on the wind, do words hurt you?

Originally Posted by Bloodjunky213

Salem Witch Burnings,

Now the Salem witch burning were not as many people think bought about purely at random, it was not a case of pick these women and burn them.
In the situation a couple of young girls accused these people of being witches due to a civil dispute. While true that the system of the time allowed for the accusation to be leveled against the women it is equally true that any offence could have been leveled at them. For instance if the girls had accused them of indecent acts it could very easily have found them burning without Christianity being involved at all. The girls who did the accusing simply used what was available to them, if it had not been available another means would have been used.

Originally Posted by Bloodjunky213

Massacre of native americans,

Here we come to one of the strangest ideas, that Christianity was responsible for the massacre of native Americans. Now in the time of the colonisation of the Americas the great powers of the day, were intent upon conquering the Americas not because of some misguided ideal to 'purify it' or for any other religious reason. These acts were motivated by politics rather than religion

Originally Posted by Bloodjunky213

Massacre of pageans.

This one I've not yet had a chance to look into. I'll see to it latter.

[yod@]

i think the massacre of native americans had nothing to do with relegion, though relegion played a minor part in it. it was justa colonoial expansion

[Bloodjunky213]

Those are nice opinons Ged. Let me point out that the women in the salem trails
would have never been accused if the law back then wasn't run by the christian religon. You are 100 % wrong on your statment. This was just the most popular of the witch burnings. There where countless more bunings hangings etc.

Holy wars were in fact caused by religon. I don't know what you said really, i know you can't fight a religon But it WAS caused by it. Wich in turn caused people to loose their lives.


Native americans were slaughtered Because they were in the eyes of white european christians"godless savages".

You need to get some correct information before you spout out very vauge arguments. Every response you have given is very pointless and i consider it spam. I will not answer agian untill a rational argument is made.

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by Bloodjunky213

Those are nice opinons Ged. Let me point out that the women in the salem trails
would have never been accused if the law back then wasn't run by the Christian religon. You are 100 % wrong on your statement. This was just the most popular of the witch burnings. There where countless more bunings hangings etc.

Here's another opinion; you've watched one to many bad films.
But wait I can back this up with your own words:

2. Salem witch burnings didn't do any research just grabbed four women and burned them because they where differant. This is blind violence

Considering the wild inaccuracies of this post I am forced to conclude you don't know what you're talking about. Especially considering how quickly your opinion changed from 'just grabbed four women and burned them because they where differant.' To 'the women in the Salem trails would have never been accused'
I suggest you practice what you preach and come up with a 'rational argument'
One where you don't end up contradicting yourself.

Originally Posted by Bloodjunky213

Holy wars were in fact caused by religon. I don't know what you said really, i know you can't fight a religon But it WAS caused by it. Wich in turn caused people to loose their lives.

*Sigh* That you take somethings name does not mean you become that thing. Religion does not cause wars, men cause wars. Men use religion to justify their wars in some cases, yes. But as I have pointed out for you they just take the name of the religion not the religion itself.

Originally Posted by Bloodjunky213

Native americans were slaughtered Because they were in the eyes of white european christians"godless savages".

Lets see, do I really need to explain this one?
Native Americans were slaughtered because they were in the way.
The great powers of the time were all rushing to America; Britain, Spain, everyone was in it for all they could get. God did not enter the argument other than as a weak excuse to justify their political end. This was a war about power and politics. the native Americans were caught in the middle.

Originally Posted by Bloodjunky213

You need to get some correct information before you spout out very vauge arguments.

You need actually to sit down with a good history book for a few months before you call others arguments 'vauge'. i should also point out you offer no evidence to disprove any of what I had posted considering how 'vauge' it is and your apparent disdain for opinion one must ask the question why not?

Originally Posted by Bloodjunky213

Every response you have given is very pointless and i consider it spam. I will not answer agian untill a rational argument is made.

As it is not rational perhaps you would indulge someone like me by posting a rational argument that counters my points. Oh dang, that's right I'm not 'rational' so you cant respond

[yod@]

here is the link that says god has nothing to do with the massacre

[Ferret Messiah]

I will honestly admit that I did not read all the post in this thread, but I did read the first one and I did not like what I read.

Christianity does not teach violence. I know it does not, because I have studied it, and I worship God and Jesus. They do not teach violence, nor do they teach suffering. However, in the past there have been people throughout history who were Christians that took part in despicable acts of barbaracy. Does that mean they reflect on the teachings of Christianity, just because they were Christians? I do not think so. I learned that the KKK, the radical racist group that lives in North America, are Christians. Just because they do not like black people though, does that mean all Christians hate black people? No way!

Face it, you have radicals from all religions, maybe more in some religions then others. I know for a fact that the religion I believe in has had its fair share of nutballs and sadistic people, but those who really follow Christianity are not that way.

[El Hombre del Fuego]

Originally Posted by -DarthMaul-

I thought Catholic Christians were the only christians that said every one goes to hell Except Catholics...

Nope, your wrong for the first time here. We think everyone gets a shot. For instance, it's pretty obvious Ghandi did not do anything against God. So why would he be put away from Heaven?

(How many times must I explain Hell is merely distance from God? Seems no one sees these statements)

You're thinking of Puritans, I guess. In which case, there are other denominations that feel the same way.

You can say 'Gee, I though in the blah blah Vatican rulebook blah blah is said blah' but the truth is, I've been to four seperate churches, all Catholic, all seperated by at least five hundred mile, two on the east coast this distance, two more on the west, with more than a thousend between, and they all said what I did. Not to mention the Freshman Faith Development course at my Jesuit school.

[yod@]

isnt it blckmailling? believe me or go to hell?

[-Logic-Is-A-Virtue-]

No it is not blackmail. Blackmail is when you threaten to expose something unless you do what they want. This is extortion. Extortion is threating to do something to you if you don't do what they want.

[NiteStryker]

Originally Posted by Interloper

So, by your own reasoning, Atheists are pure evil becasue Adolf Hitler and Attilla the Hun believed in no God, and only used religion to control the masses. Nasty, exploitant slobs.

That seems to be the attitude. Most religions are very intolerant, if not violent, toward other religions. Its a 'my god or no god' phliosphy

Originally Posted by Interloper

But really, the main argument for Atheism I see in the forums is that one religion demands all others are wrong, although you tend to ignore the similarities between many of the biggest and deny what I thought was obvious.

Athesism is also for those who seek answers. Religion leavs too many answers to an unreliable variable. (a god). I seek answers that religion cant answer, because its based on just believing, which I dont do. I dont use blind faith. I use truth.

Originally Posted by Interloper

We can find violence in every religion with more than two people in it. So, there is no violent religion, save Satanism, which happens to demand all sorts of nasty stuff. And maybe some ancient war god 'faiths'.

Agreed. All super-fanatics of any religion, down to the worship of penguins, would get violent and deem it ok 'in the name of our god'

Originally Posted by Interloper

Put two people in a big box and they'll fight. Until there is only one person in the world, there will be violence; preachings of peace won't add to it.

Well said.

Violence in the name of religion is pointless. THese missionaries go to Africa to convert poor starving peoople and just bother them.

I hate people with a passion who try to force their beliefs on other people. I respect other peoples beliefs and I expect them to do the same. I dont try to convert people to athiesim, I merly bring up my points in a religious discussion.