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Napoleon burnt the greatest library in the world.

he was a very violent man.

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"He who controls the present controls the past; he who controls the past, controls the future."

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sorry i cant quite see what that has to do with violence?

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Changing History in books.

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so in a sense you are following the relegions you keep denouncing

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:0wned:

Anyway, I think the only religion I see any value in for me personally is Wicca. The Wiccan rede is short, simple, and logical. It basically says do what you will, as long as you don't harm or intentionally manipulate another person.

Plus, I like that it's brand of spirituality is more based around nature and the universe than moral codes, legends(noah's ark, adam and eve etc.), and deities. Although, there are 'deities' in a sense in Wicca, the God and the Goddess. Really these beings are more allegorical and represent the duality of nature, order and chaos, masculine and femine(hence God and Goddess), etc.

Their holiday's are really structured around the seasons. The solstices(sp?), and the equinoxes.

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Nepoleon did NOT burn down the Library of Alexandria. It was destroyed even before Christ was born by Julius Ceasar or some of his troops accidentally set the fire during a war.

Go here http://www.bede.org.uk/Library2.htm

I don't know why you would think Nepoleon did it.

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You can't argue that he was a fiesty little bastard, though.

Also Atheist, although that had absolutely nothing to do with anything, so I don't know why I typed it.

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Christians have been responsible for more murding in history of life than hitler.

1. Pageans they sought out all pegeans that believed differantly,and when they wouldn't switch faith they killed all of them. That is intolerance.

2. Salem witch burnings didn't do any research just grabbed four women and burned them because they where differant. This is blind violence

3. The massacre of indians becouse they where "savages". And in the christian veiw needed god.

This is very dangerous statement,does any one really need god? Religon has been the ignition key for so many wars,murding etc.


In england when the christian religon first started,it was a form of control. The church,and kings put these commandments in place to control the actions of there subjects. God did not come down from the heaven and give them to moses.

Jesus did not perform miracles he was a conman that's why he was crusified. Think about it if he did all these miracles and could prove he was the son of god whay was he punished? Simple he wasn't.

To some up my veiws. All religons are belifs everybody is intitled to there belif,but it has also caused more harm than good. Too deny that statement is just , plain niave.

Think for yourself.

PLease take my staements open mindedly,don't wanna piss anyone off,these are just my opinions.

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Call me "niave" if you want, but that statement is just plain wrong. No where in the bible does it say that people that don't believe have to be killed. Christianity is a religion based on forgiveness and on love for your feloow humans. Some people exploit religion, but that does not mean it's the religions fault.
Maybe you should read the bible once, cause you obviously have no clue what religion is all about.

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d.sporky has stated that all non christians go to hell ;)

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So? That's what my religion says...

well put sir, very well put indeed. :nodding:

Like mr. lightening said, try reading the Bible, you might just understand a little of what you're talking about. Jesus came to the world to die, that was his purpose. He did perform miracles, the pharasies (sp?) didn't want their power and authority taken away from them so they killed him.

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maybe quran is like that , every relegious book in the world is abused by fanatics

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I thought Catholic Christians were the only christians that said every one goes to hell Except Catholics...

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Ok i HAVE read the bible. It's a story book nothing more,fantasy make believe.

And i will call you naive sir. This is generlized statment. NO other religon feels they should push there veiws on people, like christanity. This same attitude caused deaths of many innocent people through out the ages. There's no dening that. It's fact. I should point out i don't think all christians are bad. I respect what you believe. I was raised in the christian faith. So i know what all the story's are.

The bible has been twisted and distored by the hand of man. If you could read some of the REAL hebrew text, you'd think differant.

But if you believe it or not the christian religon was founded totally on fear.

Do you believe in god? No. Boom

Do you believe in god? Yes. Do you belive in MY god? No Boom

This is why the christian religon is the most practiced FEAR.

This was the topic of this thread so any argument you have needs to prove to me how these statements are false.



Agian don't wanna get anyone red,just a debate i'll take your statemnets openly. Iask you do the same for me as well.:)

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Adolph Hitler 1889-1945
History of life 4599997996 BC - present

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Ged my point being that two murders is too many. For what the christians believe. Make valid statements please.

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If you wish points made to be valid in relationship to your argument, then you must structure said argument in such a way as your meaning becomes readily apparent.
Please be more precise.

Coming back to my above point; which two murders in specific?

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Ok have you read my first two posts? Second i'm not comparing the time span. No crap hitler lived a lot shorter period. I figured that would be a given:rolleyes:


Second The point you so readily missed was In my veiw the christian religon HAS been responsible for killing people the argument was that it hassen't. This was a form of backing up my statement.


Here's examples since you missed them: Holy Wars,Salem Witch Burnings,Massacre of native americans,Massacre of pageans.

I'm sure you'll have ?'s I'll be here

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Unfortunately, just because it seems good does not make it the truth.

I tolerate your decision, but be warned, the evil one decieves.

This does not mean I do not tolerate Wicca or any religion like that (nor that you are a devil worshiper). Just be wary of things that are too good to be true.

In brutally honest truth, Satan will do anything to decieve you, including good. All he wants is your soul though. Again, I am not calling Wicca satanism, but just be wary! I was taught and learned that Satan uses avenues like these to take your soul. Be wary of lies, examine it before you believe. And again I am not saying that you belief is bad, believe whatever you want! Just make sure it is the truth.

We are taught to fear God, but not in the way you think of fear. When we fear God, we respect him, not cower in some hole afraid to get struck by lightning. In other words, when we mean we fear God, we mean to respect him and recognise who and what he is and what he does and is doing.


Yes, religion does instill fear in others (real fear) and has probably used as a tool of fear. And yes, evil has been done in the name of christianity. But, this is due to human nature and falliability, not our religion or belief. Again, nobody is perfect.

It is our core beliefs that define our belief, not our actions. This is true for ANY religion or belief.

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Thus per year Christianity has caused less deaths than Hitler.
It isnt really fair to compare a religion that has been around for thousands upon thousands of years to a short burst of intensive violence. Over time any religions death toll is going to build up.
Sadly however that was never made clear by you.
My, so many holy wars.
Now holly wars are invariably waged behind the name of religion, they are not waged by the religion. You cannot fight a religion, it has no armies to kill, no countries to conquer, Likewise it has no weapons to wage war with, only people do that.
Religion is nothing but words on the wind, do words hurt you?
Now the Salem witch burning were not as many people think bought about purely at random, it was not a case of pick these women and burn them.
In the situation a couple of young girls accused these people of being witches due to a civil dispute. While true that the system of the time allowed for the accusation to be leveled against the women it is equally true that any offence could have been leveled at them. For instance if the girls had accused them of indecent acts it could very easily have found them burning without Christianity being involved at all. The girls who did the accusing simply used what was available to them, if it had not been available another means would have been used.
Here we come to one of the strangest ideas, that Christianity was responsible for the massacre of native Americans. Now in the time of the colonisation of the Americas the great powers of the day, were intent upon conquering the Americas not because of some misguided ideal to 'purify it' or for any other religious reason. These acts were motivated by politics rather than religion
This one I've not yet had a chance to look into. I'll see to it latter.

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i think the massacre of native americans had nothing to do with relegion, though relegion played a minor part in it. it was justa colonoial expansion

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Those are nice opinons Ged. Let me point out that the women in the salem trails
would have never been accused if the law back then wasn't run by the christian religon. You are 100 % wrong on your statment. This was just the most popular of the witch burnings. There where countless more bunings hangings etc.

Holy wars were in fact caused by religon. I don't know what you said really, i know you can't fight a religon:rolleyes: But it WAS caused by it. Wich in turn caused people to loose their lives.


Native americans were slaughtered Because they were in the eyes of white european christians"godless savages".

You need to get some correct information before you spout out very vauge arguments. Every response you have given is very pointless and i consider it spam. I will not answer agian untill a rational argument is made.

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Here's another opinion; you've watched one to many bad films.
But wait I can back this up with your own words:
Considering the wild inaccuracies of this post I am forced to conclude you don't know what you're talking about. Especially considering how quickly your opinion changed from 'just grabbed four women and burned them because they where differant.' To 'the women in the Salem trails would have never been accused'
I suggest you practice what you preach and come up with a 'rational argument'
One where you don't end up contradicting yourself.
*Sigh* That you take somethings name does not mean you become that thing. Religion does not cause wars, men cause wars. Men use religion to justify their wars in some cases, yes. But as I have pointed out for you they just take the name of the religion not the religion itself.
Lets see, do I really need to explain this one?
Native Americans were slaughtered because they were in the way.
The great powers of the time were all rushing to America; Britain, Spain, everyone was in it for all they could get. God did not enter the argument other than as a weak excuse to justify their political end. This was a war about power and politics. the native Americans were caught in the middle.
You need actually to sit down with a good history book for a few months before you call others arguments 'vauge'. i should also point out you offer no evidence to disprove any of what I had posted considering how 'vauge' it is and your apparent disdain for opinion one must ask the question why not?
As it is not rational perhaps you would indulge someone like me by posting a rational argument that counters my points. Oh dang, that's right I'm not 'rational' so you cant respond :uhm:

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here is the link that says god has nothing to do with the massacre

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I will honestly admit that I did not read all the post in this thread, but I did read the first one and I did not like what I read.

Christianity does not teach violence. I know it does not, because I have studied it, and I worship God and Jesus. They do not teach violence, nor do they teach suffering. However, in the past there have been people throughout history who were Christians that took part in despicable acts of barbaracy. Does that mean they reflect on the teachings of Christianity, just because they were Christians? I do not think so. I learned that the KKK, the radical racist group that lives in North America, are Christians. Just because they do not like black people though, does that mean all Christians hate black people? No way!

Face it, you have radicals from all religions, maybe more in some religions then others. I know for a fact that the religion I believe in has had its fair share of nutballs and sadistic people, but those who really follow Christianity are not that way.

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Nope, your wrong for the first time here. We think everyone gets a shot. For instance, it's pretty obvious Ghandi did not do anything against God. So why would he be put away from Heaven?

(How many times must I explain Hell is merely distance from God? Seems no one sees these statements)

You're thinking of Puritans, I guess. In which case, there are other denominations that feel the same way.

You can say 'Gee, I though in the blah blah Vatican rulebook blah blah is said blah' but the truth is, I've been to four seperate churches, all Catholic, all seperated by at least five hundred mile, two on the east coast this distance, two more on the west, with more than a thousend between, and they all said what I did. Not to mention the Freshman Faith Development course at my Jesuit school.

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isnt it blckmailling? believe me or go to hell?

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No it is not blackmail. Blackmail is when you threaten to expose something unless you do what they want. This is extortion. Extortion is threating to do something to you if you don't do what they want.:deal:

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That seems to be the attitude. Most religions are very intolerant, if not violent, toward other religions. Its a 'my god or no god' phliosphy

Athesism is also for those who seek answers. Religion leavs too many answers to an unreliable variable. (a god). I seek answers that religion cant answer, because its based on just believing, which I dont do. I dont use blind faith. I use truth.

Agreed. All super-fanatics of any religion, down to the worship of penguins, would get violent and deem it ok 'in the name of our god'

:nodding:
Well said.

Violence in the name of religion is pointless. THese missionaries go to Africa to convert poor starving peoople and just bother them.

I hate people with a passion who try to force their beliefs on other people. I respect other peoples beliefs and I expect them to do the same. I dont try to convert people to athiesim, I merly bring up my points in a religious discussion.

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I do think if you asked for the natives opinions they'd tell you otherwise. ;)

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Still, using aid to lure people into your religion is just wrong.

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exactly my point...they go to Africa and are like 'if you accept Jesus...you get food!'

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It does depend how theyre health and how much food they have, and faith. example: the rec ross gets converts in Sudan, but i want to know if it would even have one in Egypt.