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Admiral Donutz October 15th, 2004 02:13 PM

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azh you are forgetting that you simple can not say "i won't fight" not only will it get you shot it won't matter too: you will be replaced in an instance. Hitlers generals who asked too many questions where simply fired and replaced by onces who supported hitler or simply didn't asked questions (well some did but they did not dare to question hitler in public fearing to be fired, court marschalled or shot). It is near impossible to let a whole army go on a strike and refuse to fight. It would also be very difficult who you could trust: some soldiers supported hitler (very fantically), others where indifferent/neautral and some hated hitler. All man had to fight however wether you supported hitler or not you where forced to serve your country, to serve hitler.

The only moment that the army could have refused to fight was when they invaded chechoslowakia (sp?) and later poland. Back then the war did not start yet (it did after the invasion of poland). BUT there where no concentrationscamps back in 1939. Yes the jews and other subhumans (untermenschen) where discrimiated and arrested but they where not send to concentrationcamps. Those appeared around 1940-1942, So in 1939 the army still suported hitler, they did not know that the jews would be sent to deathcamps. They where only asked to follow orders to invade their neighbours, and this was of course quite exiting. When the truth came to light about the deathcamps it was too late: the war was well on its way, the army was full of pupput officers and fanatic soldiers (although they rather joined the waffen SS) it was very hard to tell who you could trust and who you couldn't. Liek i said earlear: the only wat that they could have stopped the war after it was well on its way (1940's and alter) was too remove hitler. Amd again that they tried several times.

AzH October 15th, 2004 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Großadmiral Dönitz
azh you are forgetting that you simple can not say "i won't fight" not only will it get you shot it won't matter too: you will be replaced in an instance.

i'm not forgetting shit. i fully understand the implications of saying 'no', but i am also fully aware of the implications of supporting Hitler. 8 or so million Jews, unfortunately, are not...

Mihail October 15th, 2004 02:17 PM

Re: Rommel - 1891-1944
 
Czechoslovakia, they are now broken up are are known as the Czech republic and the republic of Slovakia.

Dreadnought[DK] October 15th, 2004 02:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Großadmiral Dönitz
Isn't it the job of the army to follow orders? [...]The army is ment to follow heir CiC even when they know tha it is wrong.

this is where i strongly disagree with you and thus critisise your adoration of dönitz (and rommel for that matter).

Mihail October 15th, 2004 02:33 PM

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I agree with donitz, You do as your told. And they make sure you do, because if you have a army full of greenhorns who don't listen worth jack you have a ineffective army. The first thing any army does in the world is they train you to listen to orders.

AzH October 15th, 2004 02:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mihail
if you have a army full of greenhorns who don't listen worth jack you have a ineffective army. The first thing any army does in the world is they train you to listen to orders.

...and that would have been preferable to an army which enabled Hitler to maintain control of Europe & persecute those who he wished.

Mihail October 15th, 2004 02:37 PM

Re: Rommel - 1891-1944
 
Hitler had the SS which enabled to allow hitler to maintain control. The SS were hand selected.

Dreadnought[DK] October 15th, 2004 02:55 PM

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perhaps but he didn't only use the SS to invade the whole of continental europe...

Mihail October 15th, 2004 02:59 PM

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True, but the SS were the Top of the Top, The Regular army had no control over the SS, even though the SS had control over the army.

Dreadnought[DK] October 15th, 2004 03:06 PM

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your point being?


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