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Kerry...make up ur mind So Kerry's vietnam service is questioned, and he runs to the president, wanting him to condemn it and make it go away. Yet Kerry attacks Bush's military record, And now Cheney's! http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ign_kerry_dc_3 Why cant he make up his mind? |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind Why can't John Kerry fight back? If someone punches you, you punch them back. |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind You see, John Kerry is always up for debate on any issue. With himself. |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind John Kerry is a joke. He is not fit to be our commander in chief. |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind How so? Because of conflicting reports he has said he did while in vietnam? I can barely remember what I did last week fully let alone 10 years ago in kerry's case 30+ years. They have a bunch of grumpy vietnam vets who feel like they got the short end of the stick after the vietnam war, they did not come home as heroes. And they are pissed. It's amazing how 240 or however many of the smear boat guys were some how always aware of what kerry was doing at all times in their stories, and yet they still have major conflicts in their stories. "In fact, additional evidence has emerged, in reporting by The Post's Michael Dobbs and in other papers, that further discredits the group's claims. The Post reported that Larry Thurlow, who accused Mr. Kerry of lying about being under enemy fire when he rescued Jim Rassmann, earned a Bronze Star in the same episode -- for his heroism, according to the citation, "despite enemy bullets flying about him." Two crewmen on other boats have also said that Mr. Kerry and his crew mates were being fired on. " That's funny, is it a chance they are lying about kerry lying Or all of these swift boat guys even kerry just a bunch of liars? Or could this whole swift boat thing just be a ploy by the republicans to try to poke holes in a man who has served his country unlike someone else that is also currently running for 2004 presidental elections. ""It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me," McCain said in an interview with The Associated Press, comparing the anti-Kerry ad to tactics in his bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush" |
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Re: Kerry...make up ur mind I don't care about his war record, I am talking about the disgraceful shit he did after the war to demoralize our troops along with the rest of the manic protestors, his voting record, his indecisiveness, and his poor leadership. Like I said, he is not fit to be commander and chief of the armed forces. |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind Im talking about the fact that he wants Bush to denounce the ads agianst his vietnam service and now bashes Cheney for a lack of record. If he is sensitive about his record, why does he call others on theirs? |
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Mind you, I am in the US Army unlike most people on this forum, i have a right to talk about someone else's military record. Have you served? Have you spilled your own or someone else's blood for your country? Than shut the f_k up you coward. Wanna talk about Kerry"s record? Go volunteer to Iraq! Then talk |
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Kerry will not be elected president. If he does it will only prove how stupid Americans truly are. |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind Wait another year, join the military. Volunteer to combat zone, do 4 months. After you come back, you have a right to questioned what John Kerry or any other veteran did. |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind http://www.azcentral.com/news/electi...4-edwards.html Hmmm... Edwards war record none... according to that profile, Edwards should of been 18 in 1971. Thats the age when you get drafted, yet the war goes on for more years and he doesn't get any service time.... |
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The following country's intel agencies said Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction: Russia Jordan Britian Egypt United States CIA Now, they turned out be wrong, yes. And the way we went about the war was a mess, but the fact remains: Bush had an obligation to act as the Commander-in-Chief. If it turned out that Iraq had the weapons, and Bush had the same intel and didnt act...thats an impeachable offence....and you would be here critizing him for not acting when he had so many people saying we need to act... In the interest of National Security, he had a duty to act. Quote:
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You dont have a right to stop our critizisms just because we are not in uniform. The same constitution you swore to defend with your life garentees Freedom of Speech. You pride yourself on being the only Serviceman in these forums, yet you strike down our freedom of speech, which is what you are supposed to defend at all costs. Not only do I already have plans to join the Marines (which I think are better than the Army), but I will critize Kerry any time I want, or really I will critize anyone who I feel deserves it, nomatter occupation, race, religion, or anything. |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind Its like Olympics. Imagine is the judges were just people off the street. Then it wouldnt work. The people judging Olympics are athletes themselves, they been there, have experience. What do you know about figurescating or high jump? Just what you see on tv. Same goes for someone's military record. What you know is from internet, tv and media. You have no idea what it is like to be under enemy fire. How can you say 4 months in a war is a joke? Its still risking your life! I dont judge someone on something I know nothing about first hand, and I reccomend same for you I believe in Free Speech too. Thats why we are here talking about it. But I wasnt there in Vietnam 35 years ago, and you wasnt too. |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind Ugh, striker, it doesnt help your case when you dissect a paragraph and snidely reply in a manner that is COMPLETELY out of context. |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind bush has a military record?!?! ~ |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind OK, here's the difference: John Kerry has pages of documents from the Vietnam War that back his story, as well as all but one of his boatmates. The SBVT guys have a good number of individuals who disagree with the official story, some of whom (5 or 10) served with Kerry during the disputed incidents. However, their disagreement is presented by saying that all the proof, plus Kerry, is wrong 'cause they say so. It's pretty shoddy evidence, being only rumor and testimony, the least reliable proof (which a good attorney or prosecutor could nullify with ease), and it uses the evidence to paint Kerry as another lying liberal America-hater. Sen. McCain, who backs Bush, has alreasy condemned the ads as "baseless" and "unfair", which they are. Cheney, on the other hand, has documented proof from the Vietnam War wihch says that he didn't go, due to various deferments. Kerry feels that Cheney's lack of service makes him less qualified to question Kerry's patriotism. I admit, I am a Kerry fan, but I've tried to be objective about this. |
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Re: Kerry...make up ur mind who the hell cares about military service? not me i care abou a strong leader and that is bush |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind Military service is good, so it should be cared about, but it's not important. I have to agree with mAsTeRcHiEf117. |
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Re: Kerry...make up ur mind This whole election is a joke... as my sig states |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind Na ga da it. Wouldn't be prudent. I sincerely believe that my original vote for Mr. Bush was a mistake; he is leading this country in the wrong direction domestically and internationally. |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind where would u lead it? |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind The Federal Budget submitted by President moof, FY2006 Spending ($2557.52 billion: increased $293.35 billion) Military Spending ($434.8 billion: increased $35.12 billion) $108.85 billion .... Military personnel Increased $9.89 bil. from base of $98.956 bil.( 10%) $146.56 billion .... Operation and maintenance Increased $13.32 bil. from base of $133.235 bil.( 10%) $74.4 billion ...... Procurement (No Change) $68.01 billion ..... Research, development, test and evaluation Increased $6.18 bil. from base of $61.827 bil.( 10%) $13.47 billion ..... Military Construction, Family Housing and Other Increased $2.25 bil. from base of $11.221 bil.( 20%) $20.76 billion ..... Atomic Energy Defense Activities Increased $3.46 bil. from base of $17.296 bil.( 20%) $2.75 billion ...... Defense Related activities (No Change) Iraq War ($100 billion: increased $50 billion) $100 billion ......... Iraq War (+100%) Veterans and Military Retirement ($109.85 billion: increased $12.86 billion) $38.97 billion ..... Military retirement pensions Increased $3.54 bil. from base of $35.431 bil.( 10%) $38.01 billion ..... Pensions & Income security for veterans Increased $6.34 bil. from base of $31.674 bil.( 20%) $2.62 billion ...... Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation Increased $0.24 bil. from base of $2.381 bil.( 10%) $28.85 billion ..... Hospital and medical care for veterans Increased $2.62 bil. from base of $26.228 bil.( 10%) $1.4 billion ....... Housing and other veterans benefits and services Increased $0.13 bil. from base of $1.273 bil.( 10%) International affairs ($32.92 billion: increased $9.13 billion) $15.84 billion ..... International development aid and financial programs Increased $7.92 bil. from base of $7.920 bil.( 100%) $0 billion ......... International military aid Cut $7.32 bil. from base of $7.334 bil.(-100%) $15.09 billion... Conduct of Foreign Affairs Increased $7.55 bil. from base of $7.544 bil.( 100%) $1.99 billion ...... Foreign information and exchange activities Increased $1 bil. from base of $.993 bil.( 100%) General science, space, and technology ($46.95 billion: increased $23.48 billion) $10.83 billion ..... National Science Foundation programs Increased $5.42 bil. from base of $5.413 bil.( 100%) $7.17 billion ...... Department of Energy & Homeland Security general science programs Increased $3.59 bil. from base of $3.584 bil.( 100%) $28.95 billion ..... Space flight, research, and supporting activities Increased $14.47 bil. from base of $14.476 bil.( 100%) Non-Defense Energy Spending ($1.41 billion) $1.05 billion ...... Energy supply and conservation Increased $0.53 bil. from base of $.524 bil.( 100%) $0.36 billion ...... Energy information, preparedness, & regulation (No Change) Natural resources and environment ($40.75 billion: increased $10.35 billion) $5.75 billion ...... Water resources Increased $0.96 bil. from base of $4.795 bil.( 20%) $11.54 billion ..... Forest Service, Conservation and land management Increased $1.05 bil. from base of $10.493 bil.( 10%) $3.33 billion ...... Recreational & Park resources Increased $0.3 bil. from base of $3.029 bil.( 10%) $15.19 billion ..... Pollution control and abatement Increased $7.6 bil. from base of $7.593 bil.( 100%) $4.94 billion ...... Other natural resources Increased $0.45 bil. from base of $4.490 bil.( 10%) Agriculture ($24.95 billion: increased $3.81 billion) $20.38 billion ..... Farm income stabilization & crop insurance Increased $3.39 bil. from base of $16.985 bil.( 20%) $4.57 billion ...... Agricultural research and services Increased $0.42 bil. from base of $4.154 bil.( 10%) Commerce and housing credit ($8.7 billion) $-0.18 billion ..... Mortgage credit (No Change) $0.06 billion ...... Postal service (No Change) $0 billion ......... Deposit insurance (No Change) $8.82 billion ...... Other advancement of commerce (No Change) Transportation ($71.05 billion: increased $7.22 billion) $31.25 billion ..... Highways & Highway safety (No Change) $14.45 billion ..... Mass transit Increased $7.22 bil. from base of $7.226 bil.( 100%) $1.09 billion ...... Railroads (No Change) $17.37 billion ..... Air Transportation (No Change) $6.48 billion ...... Water transportation (No Change) $0.41 billion ...... Other transportation (No Change) Community and regional development ($15.56 billion: increased $1.97 billion) $5.69 billion ...... Community development Increased $0.52 bil. from base of $5.170 bil.( 10%) $2.62 billion ...... Area and regional development Increased $0.24 bil. from base of $2.378 bil.( 10%) $7.25 billion ...... Disaster relief and insurance Increased $1.21 bil. from base of $6.045 bil.( 20%) Education, training, employment, and social services ($116.2 billion: increased $34.4 billion) $42.9 billion ...... Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education Increased $7.15 bil. from base of $35.754 bil.( 20%) $45.13 billion ..... Higher education Increased $22.57 bil. from base of $22.563 bil.( 100%) $3.47 billion ...... Research and general education aids Increased $0.58 bil. from base of $2.891 bil.( 20%) $8.52 billion ...... Training and employment Increased $1.42 bil. from base of $7.099 bil.( 20%) $3.6 billion ....... Rehabilitation services Increased $0.6 bil. from base of $3.003 bil.( 20%) $12.58 billion ..... Other social and family services Increased $2.09 bil. from base of $10.487 bil.( 20%) Non-Medicare Health Spending ($271.37 billion: increased $25.58 billion) $200.8 billion ..... Medicaid grants Increased $18.26 bil. from base of $182.542 bil.( 10%) $1.48 billion ...... State Children's Health Insurance Increased $0.74 billion from base of $0.74 billion (100%) $8.17 billion ...... Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits Increased $0.74 bil. from base of $7.430 bil.( 10%) $3.18 billion ...... Indian health Increased $0.29 bil. from base of $2.889 bil.( 10%) $4.07 billion ...... Substance abuse and mental health services Increased $0.68 bil. from base of $3.393 bil.( 20%) $37.03 billion ..... Health research, training and disease control Increased $3.37 bil. from base of $33.663 bil.( 10%) $3.16 billion ...... Consumer and occupational health and safety Increased $0.28 bil. from base of $2.876 bil.( 10%) $13.48 billion ..... Other health care services Increased $1.23 bil. from base of $12.254 bil.( 10%) Medicare ($284.5 billion: increased $25.86 billion) $176.51 billion .... Hospital insurance (HI) Increased $16.04 bil. from base of $160.468 bil.( 10%) $101.39 billion .... Supplementary medical insurance (SMI) Increased $9.22 bil. from base of $92.174 bil.( 10%) $6.6 billion ....... Medicare modernization (proposed) Increased $0.6 bil. from base of $6.000 bil.( 10%) Non-SS Retirement and Unemployment ($106.53 billion: increased $9.68 billion) $0 billion ......... General retirement and disability insurance (excluding social security) Increased $0 bil. from base of $ bil.( 10%) $59.09 billion ..... Civilian retirement and disability programs Increased $5.37 bil. from base of $53.718 bil.( 10%) $47.44 billion ..... Unemployment compensation Increased $4.31 bil. from base of $43.128 bil.( 10%) Social Welfare Spending ($182.51 billion) $30.12 billion ..... Housing assistance (No Change) $27.73 billion ..... Food stamps (No Change) $17.83 billion ..... Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches) (No Change) $33.47 billion ..... Supplemental security income (SSI) (No Change) $17.69 billion ..... Family support payments (No Change) $31.38 billion ..... Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) (No Change) $2 billion ......... Low income home energy assistance (No Change) $4.82 billion ...... Child care funds (No Change) $17.47 billion ..... Other family and child support (No Change) Social security ($640.44 billion: increased $141.6 billion) $543.73 billion .... Old-age and survivors insurance(OASI) Increased $125.48 bil. from base of $418.251 bil.( 30%) $96.71 billion ..... Disability insurance (DI) Increased $16.12 bil. from base of $80.593 bil.( 20%) Administration of justice ($40.44 billion: increased $1.68 billion) $18.57 billion ..... Federal Law Enforcement Increased $1.69 bil. from base of $16.882 bil.( 10%) $9.9 billion ....... Federal litigation and judicial activities (No Change) $5.91 billion ...... Federal prison activities (No Change) $6.06 billion ...... Criminal justice assistance (No Change) General government administration ($19.48 billion) $3.37 billion ...... Legislative functions (No Change) $0.66 billion ...... Executive Office programs (No Change) $11.29 billion ..... Collection of taxes & fiscal operations (No Change) $0.84 billion ...... General property and records management (No Change) $2.33 billion ...... General purpose fiscal assistance (DC, Puerto Rico, etc.) (No Change) $0.99 billion ...... Other general government (No Change) Net interest ($162.75 billion) $352.34 billion .... Interest paid on national public debt (No Change) $-38.71 billion .... Civil Service retirement/disability surplus (No Change) $-13.69 billion .... Military retirement surplus (No Change) $-17.31 billion .... Medicare surplus (No Change) $-88.69 billion .... Social Security trust fund surpluses (No Change) $-31.19 billion .... Other interest surpluses (No Change) Undistributed offsetting receipts ($-53.64 billion) $-49.47 billion .... Employer share, employee retirement (off-budget) (No Change) $-3.98 billion ..... Rents and royalties on the Outer Continental Shelf (No Change) $-0.19 billion ..... Spectrum Auction (No Change) Tax Expenditures and 2001 Tax Cut ($702.58 billion: cut $284.73 billion) Corporate Tax Breaks ($0 billion: cut $78.84 billion) $0 billion ......... Accelerated Depreciation Cut $14.13 bil. from base of $14.14 bil.(-100%) $6.65 billion ......... Tax Free Bonds (No Change) $0 billion ......... Insurance Companies Cut $6.18 bil. from base of $6.190 bil.(-100%) $0 billion ......... Multinational Corporations Breaks Cut $32.16 bil. from base of $16.08 bil.(-200%) $0 billion ......... R&D Tax Breaks Cut $7.74 bil. from base of $7.75 bil.(-100%) $0 billion ......... Other Business & Investment Cut $18.6 bil. from base of $18.61 bil.(-100%) Personal Business & Investment Benefits ($24.79 billion: cut $111.81 billion) $0 billion ......... Capital gains (except homes) Cut $84.37 bil. from base of $84.380 bil.(-100%) $0 billion ......... Accelerated Depreciation Cut $8.52 bil. from base of $8.53 bil.(-100%) $24.79 billion ......... Tax-Free Bonds (No Change) $0 billion ......... Exemption of tax on insurance interest Cut $18.9 bil. from base of $18.91 bil.(-100%) Pension & Retirement Deductions ($155.69 billion) $69.66 billion ......... Tax-free on Employer-paid Pensions Cut $69.65 bil. from base of $ bil. $23.13 billion ......... IRAs (No Change) $62.906 billion ......... 401Ks & Keogh plans (No Change) Employer-paid Health Insurance ($0 billion: cut $120.15 billion) $0 billion ......... Employer-paid Health Insurance Cut $120.15 bil. from base of $120.16 bil.(-100%) Itemized Deductions ($116.04 billion: increased 3.54 billion) $6.8 billion ......... Mortgage Interest (No Change) $33.93 billion ..... State and local taxes (w/o home property) (No Change) $17.73 billion ..... Property Taxes (homes) (No Change) $40.47 billion ..... Charitable Contributions (No Change) $10.03 billion ..... Medical Expenses (No Change) $7.08 billion ...... Higher education deductions Increased $3.54 bil. from base of $3.54 bil.( 100%) Other personal tax expenditures ($118.52 billion: increased $22.53 billion) $26.64 billion ..... Untaxed Social Security benefits (No Change) $20.86 billion ..... Capital gains on homes (No Change) $0 billion ......... Miscellaneous fringe benefits Cut $3.42 bil. from base of $3.43 bil.(-100%) $6.46 billion ...... Workmen's comp etc (No Change) $11.28 billion ..... Soldiers and veterans Increased $5.64 bil. from base of $5.64 bil.( 100%) $37.92 billion ..... Child credits Increased $12.64 bil. from base of $25.28 bil.( 50%) $15.36 billion ..... Education Credits & Deductions Increased $7.68 bil. from base of $7.68 bil.( 100%) ************************************************** **************************************** Main changes in programs: Full college scholarships for top 20% of high school grads: $19.2 billion Social Security solvency until 2056: $141 billion Progressive Consumption Tax and Estate Tax reinstatement: -$1558.48 billion Payroll Tax Elimination: $707.38 billion Iraqi War: $50 billion Total spending increases: $292.61 billion Total revenue increases: $654.31 billion Grand Total: $4.7 billion surplus :0wned: This is my proposed budget. It consists of elimination of the payroll tax, a progressive consumption tax, reinstatement of the estate tax, and a roughly $300 billion spending increase, as well as budget and Social Security solvency. How the Progressive Consumption Tax works: It is levied not on individual purchases but on total personal spending, as measured by the difference between total personal earnings and total personal savings. It might work like this: no tax at all on the first $40,000 spent, a 20 percent tax on spending from 40,000 to 100,000, and a 50 percent tax on all spending above $100,000. In effect, basic necessities would not be taxed, and luxuries would be taxed at higher rates. This plan would be simple to execute. Each year, taxpayers calculate their total income from wages, investment income, and other sources, just as they do now. But then they would take a second step, subtracting the value of all their savings that year--such as savings accrued in a bank account, in a 401(k) plan, or through an investment fund (all of which are easily tracked, meaning that it would be hard to escape detection)-- from their total income. The resulting figure would apply, at progressive rates. The less you spend, the lower your tax rate will be. Lower-income earners would be taxed less onerously, since they spend less; and middle- and high-income earners would be encouraged to save their money, preparing for retirement, which would lessen the Social Security and Medicare loads over time and bolster the country's long-term economic prospects. A national progressive consumption tax would recoup revenues lost from the elimination of the regressive payroll tax and pay down the deficit, as well as making the system less onerous and hurtful for the economy and more progressive. EDIT: The extra spending on the Iraq war is meant to be used on Iraqi infrastructure and training, and to launch a massive propaganda campaign. |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind Dang, can't edit again. I would also begin a massive project to force a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and work hard to patch broken bonds abroad. Domestically, I would put less emphasis on policy stimulation of the economy and more on combat of corruption and damaging greed. The economy needs to be pruned, not sculpted. I would drastically increase higher education speding in order to ensure that the top 100,000 of high schoold grads who didn't get scholarships would get free rides through college as long as they kept their average GPA above 2.8. Also, students could pay for their college by enlisting in a service corps or the military. America could become the management and skilled/educated services capitol of the world. I would reorganize the military to emphasize specialized strike units and specialized garrison units for use as peacekeepers. This time, our peacekeepers will be trained to keep the peace. |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind Wow...Nitestryker, I would just like to say that you got served/owned/bitchslapped by moof. http://gamingforums.com/images/smilies/pwned.gif |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind yea...even I agree with u there Zab...I got bitch slapped... bastard actually came up with the numbers for his presendicy budget...damn...im too tired to check them numbers http://server5.uploadit.org/files/ni...rebagowned.jpg |
Re: Kerry...make up ur mind :) Happy to be of service. |
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