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Islam- Religion of violence? Why does Islam religion supports, teaches and nurishes violence? Why hasn't it progressed into the modern times with the rest of religions, and is stuck in medieval times? What is wrong with the whole Middle East? Doesnt anyone there sees that their religion is going into wrong direction? In my opinion, the Islam is religion that proclames violence as the best way to God. I am a Jedi Knight myself. My religion is pro Peace, Harmony The Jedi Code There is no emotion; there is peace. There is no ignorance; there is knowledge. There is no passion; there is serenity. There is no death; there is the Force. We need more followers of the Force, not Islam |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence That is a stereotype of Islam. Islam is in fact a very peaceful religion, it is the small number of radical and fundamentalist Islamists that have given Islam a bad name in Western society. I know a good number of Muslims and they are not violent or taught hate or violence, they are very peaceful, almost pacifist. Western media portrays most Muslims as terrorists or radicals and does not embrace what Islam is, a peaceful religion that once united much of the known world and moved a lot further both culturally and technologically than Christian societies of the Middle Ages. A little fact, Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet. More people are converting to Islam now than Christianity. Christianity is a dying religion in my eyes, many of the former Christians I know [which is much of my school] no longer believe in Jesus, God and those other figures. I watched a report on the news that a diocese in France that is asking the Vatican to allow women priests and marriage for priests because of the diminishing popularity of priesthood and the church in general, and that is quite consistent with many Western countries these days, including my own. Following the Force? Who is your leader? George Lucas? I know that 20,000 people said they were Jedi on the last Canadian census, but for the most part it was all for fun and jokes, I dont think many of the people take it seriously as you do. I myself, am an Atheist, I abide by own rules and morales, I have no need for a god[s] or such fiction. |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence I don't really know much about the islamic religion, but I've heard that it's a peaceful religion. Like I always say, people will take thing way to an extreme... I should probably read the korahn.. |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence Muslims are really nice people, if you meet the right people. I think it's just that they love their god so much that they would die for him/her/it. I dunno anything about Islam, ut maybe it teaches something really awe inspiring. Just like some soldiers are so dedicated and patriotic that they would die for their country, some Muslims die for their religion. |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence If Islam is so peaceful, why so many Muslims and other islam followers commit so many crimes against the humanity and terrorist acts? Why have the rest of the Islamic religious population have not condemed such acts, and gave up the terrorists to the authorities? Is it not because they harbour Islamic militants because they are of the same faith?How many Christians, Buddists, Shintoists or even Satanists have you heard of that are as violent as Muslims? And I dont mean in past history. I mean in this and past century. Islam has caused much chaos and disturbance in the Force For more info go to http://www.jediism.org/ |
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. And whether you like it or not, the amount of atrocities commited by christians far outweighs the number commited by muslims. In 'past history' as you put it, we have the Inquisition, the Crusades (millions of Muslims were slaughtered, entire cities were destroyed and their entire populations executed, down to the last child), The wars over protestantism, the witch hunts, etc. Arabs have always been a highly civilised, intelligent and scientific people. Most modern mathematics was either created or preserved by the Arabs after the Roman Empire dissolved. They are highly hospitable and courteous. For centuries the Arabs were the most advaned civilisation on the planet. And if you'd been paying attention instead of reading Star Wars fan fiction and making a lightsaber out of bits of old pipe, you'd know the terrorists have been roundly condemned by the entire muslim world. You should really check your facts before insulting one of the largest religions on Earth. |
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Re: Islam- Religion of violence Reven, the edit button is your friend. But anyway... Has it occured to anyone that maybe they don't want democracy? The Arab world, like Oriental and African cultures, is funamentally different in many many ways from Western culture. They've developed their own systems, which have worked for them for thousands of years. You can't just force a Western system of thought on a totally different culture. It will not work. That's why Africa is torn apart by war. We forced Western systems on them, and the systems collapsed because they didn't work in that culture. Oh, as for thinking the 'Western World' is trying to get rid of them, it's not like they have no reason to think it, the attempt has been made in the past. |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence I agree. Muslims behind September 11th terror attacks, suicide bombings in European and American capitals etc. The thing wrong with the middle east is that they believe so blindly that we westerners are trying to get rid of them. We are actually helping their countries to become democracy. We are enforcing basic human rights. What do we get in return? Well about 10 000 dead and one massive pile of rubble in downtown Manhatten. Why do we bother? ------------------------------ I agree. Christians behind Crusades, slaughter of innocents in Africa, Asia, South America etc. The thing wrong with Christians is that they believe so blindly that every other religion promotes death and destruction because they are too stuck up their own asses to see past the end of their noses. Islam is a peaceful religion. It promotes understanding between all men and has done since before Christendom first came into contact with them. What do they get in return? Well more than 1,000,000 dead during a Crusades and one massive pile of dead bodies in the so called Holy Lands. Why did they bother trying to reason with the Christian butchers? |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence Technically Islam is Christianity reformed... just as Christianity is Judaism reformed [and Judaism is Semitic Paganism reformed]. One can't deny that Islam was born out of the sword... but then at least their religious leader didn't get nailed to a plank of wood :\. Tit for tat I suppose |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence A few of those extremists that give the entire relgion of serveral 100million people a bad rep. Most of them don't even harbor any hatred against any country. If i was to say if one set of relgious people were to go to heaven. I'd say the Islamic people. They pray 5 time a day. I know catholics usuallly pray one a day or one a week. |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence True, most Anti-semites seem to forget that Christianity is basically a Jewish sect. |
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Always amuses me when people scream out "anti-semite racism", forgetting the other aspect of it... |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence islamic fundamentalists are for islam what the KKK is for christianity. is christianity too a religion preaching violence in your eyes because of them? |
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Re: Islam- Religion of violence If you think about it, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are very violent religions. Granted Jesus was more hippy happy but his words were completely twisted by his disciples. Basically the Torah, Bible and Koran contain numerous references to smiting one's foe in particularly brutal ways. Yummah |
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Re: Islam- Religion of violence What happened in Middle Ages is irrevelent. I stated that earlier. People were different then. What my point is that while Arabs brought things like algebra, they are still stuck in the Medieval philosophy and mindset. The rest of the world has progressed, they have not. Its 21 century, last time I checked. We are not barbarians. Fundumentalist Muslims and most people from the region do not act civilized ( Like Israel and Palestine for example) . Its time to enlighten and progress people!!!By the way, I dont make lightsaber out of pipes and such. Jediism is a philosophy |
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Here is a KKK history http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/kkk.htm Get your facts straight please |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence Why should we push our values onto them? I find the death penalty to be very inhumane, plus the percentage of error is very high and likely alot of innocent people have died for nothing. But that does not mean we will force america to stop doing it because we respect them to have their own way with dealing with things, different goverments, etc etc. Just because they are not as modern in their values as some would like does not mean a new crusade should be started. |
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Re: Islam- Religion of violence Islamism??????? |
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If you want to see an example of Islamism, check out your local Hamas dealership |
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I am not defending the Klan, just pointing out that just because they are bunch of white guys, it doesnt mean they are Christians. "Islamism" as you call it is part of Islam:rolleyes: |
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Re: Islam- Religion of violence I dont think America has any buisness over there with any Crusades, it just fuels the Islamists (followers of Islam) to commit more terrorists acts, like the hundreds of Russian kids taken hostage today, or mass killings of hostages in Iraq. Muslim extremists need to realize that they are following a wrong path. One that leads to bloodshed. They have to come to that concusion themselves. |
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Re: Islam- Religion of violence IRA was active 20-30 years ago, even they learned to live in peace and adapt. And they were not fighting for same reasons Jihadists are. |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence But they were still killing people using terrorist tactics,.. or whatever. |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence Jihadists are killing people for their Allah, to get to Paradise with 70 virgins or whatever. The IRA fought for independance and freedom. |
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Re: Islam- Religion of violence Heh, I saw something on the IRA earlier up. I dont think I should lecture you on it, because the topic passed, so I wont unless you ask. The one thing I will say is that they are no saints. At first, they were semi-good, semi-bad soldiers (borderline thugs with a cause) but in time they got bomb happy. There are many orginizations claiming to be IRA, just ask and I'll tell ya about them. Anyways, there are no bad religions, just bad people. I'm Catholic and dont believe the Inquisition was good. (Of course, I am no saint, I'll be the first to say so, but better people than me fiercely denounce this and actions like it) Witchcraft was because of paranoia. Athiests have been just as violent as religious folks. Hitler was one, does that mean AzH is like him? No, it does not. Hussien is not Muslim, he exploits his peoples religion. He, too, is an Athiest (or maybe just extremely secular...) but that doesnt mean JP(NL) is like him. Certain British leaders were downright nasty, like the Oliver Lord Protector guy or whatever his name was (I forgot cuz I studied him two years ago) oppressed anyone none-Protestant. Is Darth Sporky like him? No, of course not. Some popes did some pretty dumb-ass things like the Inquisiton and a few of the Crusades (some of them had a good reason). I do not think that I am like them. So, using these examples, why would the Muslim extremists shape your view of the entirity of Islam? |
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Islam does preach violence tho...the Koran, so I have heard, promotes very unethical and inhumane treatment of girls. But also, the christian bible says you can sell your children to slavery, as long as they are in the same tribe, so I dunno |
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Re: Islam- Religion of violence This is why I need to write my book on my beliefs. If the Jedi can catch on I am sure mine will influence some people, which is enough. All violence is stupid. I am SURE that neither Jesus nor Mohammad said that any part of doing evil was OK. Most of the stories from religious text comes way after the time the "son's of god" arrived. A lot of the stuff is just someone that wants to go down in history as a part of a religion, so they made it up.:deal: |
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Perhaps you should reassess the superficiality of your views... Quote:
1 "Now these are the ordinances which you are to set before them: 2 "If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment. 3 "If he comes alone, he shall go out alone; if he is the husband of a wife, then his wife shall go out with him. 4 "If his master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and he shall go out alone. 5 "But if the slave plainly says, 'I love my master, my wife and my children; I will not go out as a free man,' 6 then his master shall bring him to God, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently. 7 "If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do. 8 "If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her. 9 "If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. 10 "If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights. 11 "If he will not do these three {things} for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without {payment of} money. http://www.searchgodsword.org/desk/?...sr=1&sc=1&l=en Please read your Bible |
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Christian theology is based on Plato (4th century BC), Plotinus (neo-Platonist), St. Augustinus (5th century AD, reading 'De civitate Dei' now), Thomas of Aquino,... So if they are stuck in the Middle Ages, what about the Christians? Ow, but maybe our mindset has changed? Maybe we westerners have become more 'civilized' (what an empty word!) and 'humane'? Maybe we have a better understanding of how to treat other people? Maybe our technology helped us to become better? I'm afraid not, technology has never made anyone better (or worse for that matter). We have changed preciously little since we first started to paint horsies on caves. We have the same intellectual abilities as the first Cro-Magnon men. The only thing that has helped us to 'advance', is our ability to pass on what we learned in writings, our nature as curious mammals. And still, people with no regard for others are rewarded by our culture, by our society. Have you already forgotten what we've done in the last 2000 years of history? Is your memory that short? But you don't think things that happened only 1000 years ago (a short history in time and human history) matter. Of course not, it's not like our western CHRISTIAN culture was formed after the fall of the Roman empire. We don't carry that part of history with us, do we? Than just consider our last 100 years of history (or is that irrelevant as well?). We westerners (yes, Hitler was part of 'our' culture) killed millions of jews, engaged in a war that claimed tens of millions of other lives as well. The Muslims had nothing to do with all that. We civilized people killed eachother by the thousands. Innocent people, like you and me... But maybe you don't want to except this, calling Hitler and Stalin atheïsts (even though Hitler was close to the pope). Fine! Truman who dropped the atom bomb. Was he an atheist?* Can you call everyone who's responsible for the death of people in the last 100 years an exception or an atheist? We all realise that what happened at 9/11 was terrible. Innocent people died, which can't be excused. But you CAN'T call Islam a violent religion because some fanatics decided 'hey, why don't we get some planes', and a the same time call Christianity peacefull. Read the Koran. Quote:
*: I realise that dropping the nuke was - probably - a necessary step in order to force Japan into surrender. An invasion would've been to costly. Still, the fact remains, thousands died. |
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You didn't have much in the way of Wars of Religion [The Civil War was more of a war to ensure stability and control a rowdy King (Charles wasn't a bad or weak King per say... he was just lousy in the art of Kingship)]. In fact the only serious burningfest which occured was under "Bloody Mary" who killed at a rate greater than any other country at any time on the Continent at that time... and even so she died after a short reign. If teh English Reformation was so repressive why are there still families in Yorkshire who have been Catholics, still are Catholics and always will be Catholics. Generally English reformations was about spin, the odd persecution but most importantly the struggle to find some sort of religious stability by ensuring conformity [or more to the point to remove political hostility]. As Eddie Izzard once said... the Church of England's Reformation could be neatly summed up in the following phrase: "Cake or Death!!" |
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Re: Islam- Religion of violence Islam isn't a violent religion. But I am afraid to say that a lot of it causes war. And it does make you wonder. Is it really worth it? Killing for a God that no-one is sure exists? Not all muslims are violent, but in the middle east, I think the violence is surely spirralling out of control. And these people aren't with the modern times. But Islam is a violent religion, is not true. It is interpreted by radical followers that way. But in truth it is not. However the guy who came out with "Christianity isd more violent than Islam" is talking through his arse. Do we have groups of followers who go around killing people for Jesus? Quote:
Qu'ran mate, Qu'ran. EDIT: The guy in that thread is giving off thye image that islam is a violent religion. And it does prove, there are Muslims like him. But there not all like that.. |
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And do you think there are groups of followers who go round killing people for Mohammed? Quote:
Given that the proper way of saying "Koran"/"Qu'ran" is written in arabic, which cannot be easily emulated on these forums BOTH spellings can be said to be wrong... |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence Islam is not a violent religon on the whole, but I have found a quote (or made it up possibly) that sums up the whole kind of situation. ''The acts of the one outweigh the views of the many'' Basically means that if someone blows something up, then the religion/faction/GF Staff group that did so will be labelled as people who blow stuff up, even if everybody else's views in that group are contrary. |
Re: Islam- Religion of violence Not sure what to say about Islamics......the bad Islamics are very bad, but the good ones are very good. |
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