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hey i was a little pissed when i wrote that, i just heard about the beheading. Im at work now, i've got a book at home that i'll get some info out of. I'll back myself up

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yes, you really need to back what you said up. your being prejudist/racist like Vlad. your blaming every muslim of being worthless.

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what?

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You have no right to call me racist:mad:

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He has a right to defend his faith. You called everyone ignorant when they all refused to become Jedi's. Before you accuse him of cruelty, take a good, long, thorough look at yourself.

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Dude I live in Malaysia is where Islam is the official religion. In here we live peacefully and harmony among 3 races, the Malay, the Chinese and the Indian. We face no problem .we still live in democracy elected parliament. If u guy ever have the chance to come over here check it out.Try penang

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Wanna quote me on this?

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How can you say Islam is a religion of violence, when it is one of the most peaceful religions in existence? I think you should do some research before making an outrageous claim like that.

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First of all you are 15, secondly, have you read the rest of the thread?
And, what kind of dream world do you live in?

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Yes, I did read the rest of the thread. And just because I'm 15 doesn't prevent me from keeping a close eye on current events. Those who kill in the Islam world are the RADICALS! They basically have their own belief system different from the real Islamic religion. In fact, did you know that Mohammed preached peace over war, and neighborly love over fighting? He was, oh I don't know, the equivalent to Jesus Christ? So, as you can see, I do know what I'm talking about. I respect your opinion, but I strongly disagree with it.

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No right, indeed, but he has reasons...

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jesus was the son of god/god himself
mohammed was a prophet

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Your the one thats akting like a baby here, not Halo. The age has nothing to do with maturity, which we have proof of here. I have never seen a person of the age of 26 akting like this, but as i said, maturity doesnt have anything to do with age. Which explains why a 26 year old acts like this :rolleyes:

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yeah but the muslims see jezus as a prophet aswell, not as the son of god.

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i was saying what the respective religions see them as.

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dreadnought did u some how revoke my ability to post threads? or maybe i'm just lost. I agree with you on how the Muslims see Jesus they see him as a great prophet just as the Jews do.

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And do you think this is wrong? alot of people are fine with it, eevry one does have there own beliefes/religion. so did anyone hear about Cat Steven? whats up with that? he is a respectable Singer, and he Turned to Islam, Does he need to be accused of Helping Terrorism because he left Christianity and joined Islam? By the way his name is Yusaf Islam now, has any one heard of his Albums? i like the Album called 'Tea for the tillerman'

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I'd love to.


Age doesn't have anything to do with maturity. I know a girl who is my age, 14, and is more mature than the teachers at my current school. Meaning, she knows when to be serious, when to joke, she always helps whoever needs it, never yells, etc.

Islam=Just another path to God.

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First of all, you are quoting me out of context. Secondly, We are here to talk about Islam, not flame each other personaly.
" You called everyone ignorant when they all refused to become Jedi's" is what you said about me. I have never said that. I simply stated that following a fake story about things that never happened ( People walking on water, coming back from the dead, etc), is just like being a Jedi and following Star Wars. Christians and Muslims are just as "nerdy" as any other religion followers

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Islam ain't violent. Also, you have said things you should have either held onto as private thoughts or rephrased.

Islam is not violent. Need it subliminal? .tneloiv ton si malsI. It's people who pray to God, who they know as Allah and to the prophet Mohammed. Nothing to violent about that.

Also, I heard in the paper the other day, a guy who followed the Jedi Code robbed someone, shot them, too. Does that mean all Jedi do that? Of course not. Now, take the religion, if you want it to be called that, it's fine by me, of Jediism and multiply it by about a hundred. There is a figure that's not even close to the total number of Islams. And, through that math problem, you have 100 trouble makers. If you keep doing that until you get to the actual size of the Islamic religion, that's a lot of trouble makers.

Peace out, all.

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i don't think so. do you experience any problems?

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Jediisim?WTF!

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don't ask. seriously.

oh I forgot, you just want to accuse muslims of being violant, uncivilised bastards in general.

there we go again....

I am right. I know everything. I think god doesn't excist, therefor he does not.

stop being so arrogant and stop insulting other people's beliefs, just because you think they're wrong.

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vlad 1st the stories in the bible, koran or the torrah are "based" one real events that happened. Not saying did or did not happen.

secondly star wars came out George Lucas and his friends imagination.

so really the point I want to say is that the religous books are from written accounts that happened. Star Wars came out of someones head!!

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I needed to answer one thing Vladtemplar asked on a diffrent Thread(it is closed now).

He asked: Why do muslims still support Jihad? well, because almost every one in the world is in a Jihad, even you Vladtemplar, Christians and jews and all religions...

Ex: vladtemplar your in a Jihad to lets say Get a promotion. or a raise.
Muslims are in a Jihad in not to Drink beer or have sex openly.
Christians are in a jihad to lets say keep praying to Jesus/god.

I hope you understand what Jihad means now.

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jihad

noun
1 {C or U} a holy war which is fought by Muslims against people who are a threat to the Islamic religion or who oppose its teachings

2 {C} a spiritual fight against the evil in yourself

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"There are different kinds of Jihad:
Jehad-bil-saaf (Armed struggle)
In this kind of Jihad, The Muslims organize themselves under an 'Ameir' (Leader) and start their struggle against the enemy. Enemies can be of different types i.e. Jehad-bil-saaf can be declared against an attacking enemy or it can be declared against an enemy state, which is either torching the Muslim populations in that country or trying to create trouble for an Islamic State. Jehad-bil-saaf is what others (Non-Muslims) know as 'The Holy War' of Muslims...

Jehad-e-Akbar (to prevent yourself from committing indecent acts)
Jehad-e-Akbar is the most difficult form of Jihad because in this form of Jihad, one must have to be very careful about his daily life deeds. Jehad-e-Akbar means 'The Biggest Jihad' (As 'Akbar' means big, great).

Jehad-bil-Elum (to tell others about right way who does not know it)
Jehad-bil-Elum means to spread the light of knowledge to others, to tell people about right and wrong, to tell people how to live their daily life and how to behave with other Muslims and Non-Muslims. This clearly shows how much Islam gives importance to Knowledge and its teacher. A teacher who is busy doing his job is considered to be involved in this pious and noble Jihad.

Jehad-bil-Mall (to spend your wealth for Allah, in the way of Allah)
Jehad-bil-Mall means that if a [person] for some reason cannot himself participate in the noble event like Jihad, he can contribute in Jihad by helping 'Mujahedien' (Muslim Soldiers). A person can also contribute with his money even if he himself [is not] taking [an] active part in Jihad."


Ged, i know your the worlds smartest man and you know every thing about Islam, but i speak Arabic, and i KNOW that i know more about this subject/language then you do... yes people do Consider the word meaning a "holy war" but notice the other 3 meanings...

If this was true there would have been wars aginst Christians, Jews, and all other Religions in the world, and it would have been done thousands of years ago...

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/me Struts up and down but walks into the wall by mistake

/me Senses sarcasm :uhm:

Yeah, sorry I'm tired I should have put a quote in.
I mostly meant how could the pursuit of a raise qualify as Jihad?

There were. You lost.

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Jihad Basicly means to Strugle or Strive to be better , so i just Put that he could be Struggling/striving to get a Raise...

You still think you know more then Muslims about Islam.

So you still thinks muslims had Mass wars aginst All religions and you still think they were forcing people into Islam after all ive told you? Fine.

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DarthMaul, thank you very much for posting that info. I respect you a lot more now.

Actually, us Christians only won the First Crusade. The Muslims beat us fair and square afterwords.

I just want to note that the First Crusade was the only one based on religious means, the others were either greed, or the defence of Edessa or something.

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No problem. And i repect EVERYONE that respects Islam.(i also repect other people's religions)

im open for any questions about islam, anytime. in this Forum i guess since there isnt any other Islam threads, and i dont want to start more... About the Crusades, i didnt like them people from both sides died, i hate war and i hate it when people die. i respect the life and worth and Rights of all human biengs...

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i just dont like radical islam. i dont like radical anything actually:uhm:

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yes um Dreadnought i am having trouble with posting threads. i can't seem to find the button that lets me do so. i've looked for it and could not find it the only reason i could some up with was that i was either to stupid and didnt look hard enough or someone reviked my right to post some how. i'm sry for posting a completly irelivent topic in tihs thread.

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try changing your style

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I'll admit I'm wrong even if it did take something rather nasty to make me see it.
There are things done in the name of Allah that I know very few people would ever do in the name of anything and that these people would do it even without Islam.
I was wrong and I apologise.

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Cool !, Everyone even muslims hate these terrorists for thier wrong doing! they are stupid, closed mined, retards, that tjink killing christians or jews will getting them into heaven, no they are wrong. i was just watching a movie called Executive Decisions. A movie about Muslim(no wait), Islamic Militians, who took over a plane and had a Decoy bomb, and a bomb and threatened to kill the people. i admitt the movie, was good, but America needs to stop using muslims in terrorist movies. use russians!, Use cubans, i dont care who they use, but they need ot cut down on there hate towards muslims.

Muslims dont like to kill in the name of allah. there is no such thibg as a muslimk terrorist is the elader of islam.

Ged is cool now, he understands.

(atleast i think he does).

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Well, the Islam religion actually believes in lots of bad virtues, such as all westerners are pigs.

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Islam a religion just like any other religion with lots of ignorant, stupid people like Christianity.

This gives me an idea...

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Where did you pull that from?

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Congratulations, you've been brainwashed by propaganda. go you.

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First off, i would like to congratulate you for reviving a 2 weeks old thread that was :0wned: .

Secondly, i congratulate you for not reading ALL the pages on this thread.

Thirdly, Are you Vladtemplar under disguise or something?

Fourth, Where DID you ge that from? (like colonel bob says)


Note: i thought this thread was dead already, never thought people would be searching for it, THEN reviving it.

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Its better to be revived, than a whole new thread and the person get flamed for the fact we already have one.

On this point though, make sure you actually have a worthwhile point when reviving the thread.

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ah!! another of vladtemplar's kin

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Care to back that up?

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I'm not sure it's the case with that one...

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Might as well see how it develops for a day.

Come on people, good posts, not spam.

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Doesnt Islam teach, that if you aren't a Muslim, you are an infadel, and if you can't be converted, you have to die?

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No.

Islam teaches that people cannot be converted by force, conversion must come from conviction not coercion.

Islam also believes in protecting Non-Muslim minorities in Islamic countries. It is the duty of governments in Islamic lands to protect the non-Muslim minorities.

This isn't always what happens in theory. Like any other religion, the egalitarian aspects of Islamic teachings are often shunned for hate. Christians do this all the time too though.

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No it dosent.

if what you say is true, arab countries would have been COMPLETELEY 100% Muslims.

And alot of fighting would be going on in the world.

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Here we go:

The curse of God on the infidels! 2:83

God is an enemy to infidels. 2:92

Whoever offers violence to you, offer you the like violence to him.
2:190

Men are a step above women. 2:228

Fight for the cause of God. 2:245

God loves no infidel. 2:276

God, you are our protector: give us victory therefore over the infidel
nations. 2:286

As for the infidels, their wealth, and their children, shall avail them
nothing against God. 3:8

Say to the infidels: you shall be worsen, and to Hell shall you be
gathered together; and wretched the couch! 3:10

Let not believers take infidels for their friends rather than believers:
whoso shall do this has nothing to hope from God. 3:27

God loves not the unbelievers.

Whoso desires any other religion than Islam, that religion shall
never be accepted from him, and in the next world he shall be
among the lost. 3:79

O ye who have believed! form not intimacies among others than
yourselves. They will not fail to corrupt you. They long for your
ruin. Hatred has already shown itself out of their mouths, but
more grievous is what their breasts conceal. 3:114

O you who have believed! If you obey the infidels, they will cause
you to turn upon your heels, and you will fall back into perdition.
3:142

And if you shall be slain or die on the path of God, then pardon
from God and mercy is better than all your amassings; For if
you die or be slain, verily unto God shall you be gathered. 3:151,2

And repute not those slain on God's path to be dead. Nay, alive
with their Lord, are they richly sustained. 3:163

And they who have fled their country and quitted their homes and
suffered in my cause, and have fought and fallen, I will blot out
their sins from them, and I will bring them into gardens beneath
whcih the streams do flow. 3:194

Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which
God has gifted the one above the other. 4:38

but if women are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against
them. 4:38

If you be sick, or on a journey, or have come from the unclean place
or have touched a woman, and you find not water, then rub pure
sand, and bathe your face and your hands with it. 4:46

Among the Jews are those who displace the words of their scriptures,
and say, We have heard, and we have not obeyed. Hear you, but as
one that hears not; and look at us; perplexing with their tongues, and
wounding the Faith by their revilings.
But if they would say, We have heard, and we obey; hear you, and
regard us; it were better for them, and more right. But God has
cursed them for their unbelief. Few only of them are believers.
4:48,9

Let those then fight on the path of God, who barter this present life
for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God's path, whether
he be slain or conquer, we will in the end give him a great reward. 4:77

They who believe, fight on the path of God; and they who believe not
fight on the path of Thagout: Fight therefore against the friends of
Satan. 4:78

God has assigned to those who contend earnestly with their persons
and with their substance, a rank above those who sit at home. Goodly
promises has He made to all. But God has assigned to the strenuous
a rich recompense, above those who sit still at home. 4:97

Verily, the infidels are your undoubted enemies! 4:102

O believers! Take not infidels for friends rather than believers. Would
you furnish God with clear right to punish you? 4:143

The male shall have the portion of two females. 4:175

And if you have become unclean, then purify yourselves. But if you
are sick, or on a journey, of if one of you come from the place of
retirement, of if you have touched women, and you find no water,
then take clean sand and rub your faces and you hands with it. 5:9

O Beleivers! Take not the Jews or Christians as friends. They are
but one another's friends. If any one of you takes them for his
friends, he surely is one of them! 5:56

Of all men you will certainly find the Jews, and those who join other
gods with God, to be the most intense in hatred of those who believe;
and you shall certainly find those to be nearest in affection to them
who say, We are Christians.' This, because some of them are priests
and monks, and because they are free from pride. 5:85

Fight then against them until strife be at an end, and the religion be all
of it God's. 8:40

And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods
with God wherever you shall find them; and seize them, besiege them,
and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall convert,
and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their
way. 9:5

Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as
believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God
and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the
truth. 9:29

But alms are only to be given to the poor and the needy, and those who
collect them, and to those whose hears are won to Islam. 9:60

O Prophet! Contend against the infidels and the hypocrites, and be rigorous
with them. 9:74

Never pray you over anyone of them who dies, or stand at his grave, because
they believed not in God and His Apostle, and died in their wickedness. 9:85

But the Apostle and those who share his faith, contend for the faith with purse
and person; and these! All good things await them: and these are they who shall
be happy. 9:89

Verily, of the faithful has God bought their persons and their substance, on
condition of Paradise for them in return: on the path of God shall they fight,
and slay, and be slain: a promise for this is pledged in the Law, and in the
Evangel, and in the Koran; and who more faithful to his engagement than
Rejoice, therefore, in the contract that you contracted: for this shall be the
great bliss. 9:112

Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbors, and let them find you rigorous. 9:124

God loves not the false, the Infidel. 22:39

Give not way therefore to the Infidels, but by means ot this Koran strive
against them with a mighty strife. 25:54

Be not you helpful to the unbelievers. 28:86


If you have time, read this essay:
http://www.uq.net.au/slsoc/manussa/tr05manu.htm

and this one:
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/juancole.htm

Islamic historians record Muhammad’s actual teachings and deeds: he denigrated and committed crimes against those that rejected him. The Quran does teach aggressive violence against others, including Jews and Christians, and not only against the Meccans or their pagan allies.