Islam- Religion of violence

[D.Sporky!]

Oh... and is it really his place to judge? And what exactly IS "killing for the hell of it"... killing is killing... the motive is irrelevant.

Perhaps you should reassess the superficiality of your views...

I'm sorry to put it bluntly, but, you are wrong. If killing is killing, then according to your logic, murdering someone for no reason, and protecting you country or family is exactly the same, both wrong. You are wrong there also.

[Grimme]

Originally Posted by Count Nosferatu

Given that the proper way of saying "Koran"/"Qu'ran" is written in arabic, which cannot be easily emulated on these forums BOTH spellings can be said to be wrong...

No it's Qu'ran, Koran is a curry I think......

[Master of Reality]

wow..this belongs in the melee

EDIT: no, koran is just the american way of spelling it. not a curry :lol:

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[Count Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by DarthSporky

I'm sorry to put it bluntly, but, you are wrong. If killing is killing, then according to your logic, murdering someone for no reason, and protecting you country or family is exactly the same, both wrong. You are wrong there also.

I am wrong?

Proof?


Lets follow your jingoistic and paranoid logic then:

Ok so by your reasoning you justify killing, whatever the means whatever the ends. Since any end can be manipulated to the ultimate one of "self defense". Fair enough.

But may I remind you that the Nazis genuinely believed that Jews and Soviets constituted a "threat" to their families and society.

So if 6 million Jews and 25 million Russians along with countless other Germans is a valid argument for protecting your country... good for you.


And tell me... how did Sodom and Gomorrah constitute a "threat" to a supposedly omnipotent and omnipresent entity.

Second how does any creator who calls themself good kills his own creations, made in his own image [granted allowing people to die is one thing... killing them is another]


And you still can't deny the fact that the Old Testament is fundamentally about smiting and unforgiveness. The fact that you are debating about God's intention to kill further demonstrates this...

Originally Posted by Grim_Grom

No it's Qu'ran, Koran is a curry I think......

Koran and Qu'ran are accepted spellings for the same word, just as Offence and Offense, Specialisation and Specialization, Manoeuver and Manoeuvre are accepted spellings for the same word.

Quod Erat Demonstratum.

[Biggus Dickus]

Originally Posted by mAsTeR.oF.rEaLiTy

wow..this belongs in the melee

Why?

[-DarthMaul-]

Vladtemplar(out numbered unless someone i dont want to mention joins this thread)
you need to talk to muslims or read from a reliable site befor talking about them like that.
ok ill start a thread(not yet), any one that has questions about islam ill answer them...

[vladtemplar]

I haven't read any proof so far in this thread that MODERN Islam is not promoting violence in some people's views. MODERN Christianity/Buddism/Whatever do not motivate people to kill for their God like Islam does.

[-DarthMaul-]

and when did msulims kill for allah?
and please name some reasonable time, why do you have so much hatred for islam and muslims? is there some Jewish( i dont care what you say they hate us too), fueling you with lies and propaganda? have you been reading Chick Tracts latley? have you ever heard of me running around killing for allah?

Edit: i forgot to add a thanks for the people that defended islam on this thread.

[D.Sporky!]

Lets follow your jingoistic and paranoid logic then:

Ok so by your reasoning you justify killing, whatever the means whatever the ends. Since any end can be manipulated to the ultimate one of "self defense". Fair enough.

But may I remind you that the Nazis genuinely believed that Jews and Soviets constituted a "threat" to their families and society.

So if 6 million Jews and 25 million Russians along with countless other Germans is a valid argument for protecting your country... good for you.


And tell me... how did Sodom and Gomorrah constitute a "threat" to a supposedly omnipotent and omnipresent entity.

Second how does any creator who calls themself good kills his own creations, made in his own image [granted allowing people to die is one thing... killing them is another]


And you still can't deny the fact that the Old Testament is fundamentally about smiting and unforgiveness. The fact that you are debating about God's intention to kill further demonstrates this...

Ok, and according to your very twisted "logic" you'd think it wrong to fight against the nazis, condemning the world to the rule of hitler.

In the old testatment God commands the people of the earth to obey him, read the 10 commandments, that sums it all up nicely. the people of soddom and gomorrah were breaking every single one of these commandments over and over and over and over every day. So God was going to judge them, and justly so. However, a man talked with God and asked him to spare the city for the sake of 10 rightous, and God agreed! 10 rightous in 2 very large citys, and God would have spared it. That proves that he is not a lunitic out to kill us all.

Once again, before you go condemning the teachings of the Bible, why don't you go and read it.

This discussion is over. (this section of it anyway )

[Count Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by DarthSporky

Ok, and according to your very twisted "logic" you'd think it wrong to fight against the nazis, condemning the world to the rule of hitler.

Actually I'm all for business...

It's not your logic so much as your hypocrisy I'm questioning.

In the old testatment God commands the people of the earth to obey him, read the 10 commandments, that sums it all up nicely.

10 Commandments had nothing to do with Sodom and Gomorrah.

And "Thou shalt not Kill" was strictly mentioned by god. Point being he broke his own rule.

the people of soddom and gomorrah were breaking every single one of these commandments over and over and over and over every day.

Proof?

Explanation?

So God was going to judge them, and justly so. However, a man talked with God and asked him to spare the city for the sake of 10 rightous, and God agreed! 10 rightous in 2 very large citys, and God would have spared it. That proves that he is not a lunitic out to kill us all.

Righteous by [i]his[i] standards. Meaning that if you weren't divine and you didn't curry special favour you were f*cked. And that still doesn't detract from the fact that they were smited. Whatever Sodom and Gomorrah's sins he still killed them thus breaking his own cardinal rule - Thou shalt not Kill. Not "Thou shalt not kill unless thou wishest to deal Righteous Judgement"... "Thou shalt NOT Kill"

Quod erat demonstratum.

Thus you still can't deny the fact that the Bible among others is about smiting and punishment rather than guidance and forgiveness [Jesus was about that but his disciples tended to twist that].



And if you want to be particularly pedantic about "God's Laws"

Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality, who dispenses advice to people who call in to her Radio show. On her radio show recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination, according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.
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>The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as thought-provoking.
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>Dear Dr. Laura:
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>Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination...End of debate.
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>I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.
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>1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
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>2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
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>3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
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>4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
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>5. I have a neighbours who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
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>6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
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>7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
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>8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
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>9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
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>10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.
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>Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
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>I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
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>Your adoring fan,