I stated that earlier. People were different then. What my point is that while Arabs brought things like algebra, they are still stuck in the Medieval philosophy and mindset.
And Christians are not? They base their belief on a much older book than the Koran, which just like it, hasn't changed (since it's the 'unchangeable' word of God). Strange things happen in the Bible: David calling himself the son of God, Salomon having multiple wives, slavery being accepted,...
Christian theology is based on Plato (4th century BC), Plotinus (neo-Platonist), St. Augustinus (5th century AD, reading 'De civitate Dei' now), Thomas of Aquino,...
So if they are stuck in the Middle Ages, what about the Christians?
Ow, but maybe our mindset has changed? Maybe we westerners have become more 'civilized' (what an empty word!) and 'humane'? Maybe we have a better understanding of how to treat other people? Maybe our technology helped us to become better? I'm afraid not, technology has never made anyone better (or worse for that matter). We have changed preciously little since we first started to paint horsies on caves. We have the same intellectual abilities as the first Cro-Magnon men. The only thing that has helped us to 'advance', is our ability to pass on what we learned in writings, our nature as curious mammals.
And still, people with no regard for others are rewarded by our culture, by our society. Have you already forgotten what we've done in the last 2000 years of history? Is your memory that short? But you don't think things that happened only 1000 years ago (a short history in time and human history) matter. Of course not, it's not like our western CHRISTIAN culture was formed after the fall of the Roman empire. We don't carry that part of history with us, do we?
Than just consider our last 100 years of history (or is that irrelevant as well?). We westerners (yes, Hitler was part of 'our' culture) killed millions of jews, engaged in a war that claimed tens of millions of other lives as well. The Muslims had nothing to do with all that. We civilized people killed eachother by the thousands. Innocent people, like you and me...
But maybe you don't want to except this, calling Hitler and Stalin atheïsts (even though Hitler was close to the pope). Fine! Truman who dropped the atom bomb. Was he an atheist?* Can you call everyone who's responsible for the death of people in the last 100 years an exception or an atheist?
We all realise that what happened at 9/11 was terrible. Innocent people died, which can't be excused. But you CAN'T call Islam a violent religion because some fanatics decided 'hey, why don't we get some planes', and a the same time call Christianity peacefull.
Read the Koran.
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Originally Posted by vladtemplar
The rest of the world has progressed, they have not. Its 21 century, last time I checked. We are not barbarians.
Civlization is ever so thin a layer.
*: I realise that dropping the nuke was - probably - a necessary step in order to force Japan into surrender. An invasion would've been to costly. Still, the fact remains, thousands died.
"Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."
Certain British leaders were downright nasty, like the Oliver Lord Protector guy or whatever his name was (I forgot cuz I studied him two years ago) oppressed anyone none-Protestant. Is Darth Sporky like him? No, of course not.
Certain British leaders were downright nasty, like the Oliver Lord Protector guy or whatever his name was (I forgot cuz I studied him two years ago) oppressed anyone none-Protestant. Is Darth Sporky like him? No, of course not.
Britain's Reformation actually was very mild, especially compared to the Continent
You didn't have much in the way of Wars of Religion [The Civil War was more of a war to ensure stability and control a rowdy King (Charles wasn't a bad or weak King per say... he was just lousy in the art of Kingship)].
In fact the only serious burningfest which occured was under "Bloody Mary" who killed at a rate greater than any other country at any time on the Continent at that time... and even so she died after a short reign.
If teh English Reformation was so repressive why are there still families in Yorkshire who have been Catholics, still are Catholics and always will be Catholics.
Generally English reformations was about spin, the odd persecution but most importantly the struggle to find some sort of religious stability by ensuring conformity [or more to the point to remove political hostility].
As Eddie Izzard once said... the Church of England's Reformation could be neatly summed up in the following phrase:
"Cake or Death!!"
"The voice of the people is the cry from Hell"
Francis Atterbury (1662-1732), Bishop of Rochester
Islam isn't a violent religion. But I am afraid to say that a lot of it causes war. And it does make you wonder. Is it really worth it? Killing for a God that no-one is sure exists? Not all muslims are violent, but in the middle east, I think the violence is surely spirralling out of control. And these people aren't with the modern times. But Islam is a violent religion, is not true. It is interpreted by radical followers that way. But in truth it is not. However the guy who came out with "Christianity isd more violent than Islam" is talking through his arse. Do we have groups of followers who go around killing people for Jesus?
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Koran
Lmfao
Qu'ran mate, Qu'ran.
EDIT: The guy in that thread is giving off thye image that islam is a violent religion. And it does prove, there are Muslims like him. But there not all like that..
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However the guy who came out with "Christianity isd more violent than Islam" is talking through his arse. Do we have groups of followers who go around killing people for Jesus?
Reread what I said
And do you think there are groups of followers who go round killing people for Mohammed?
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Lmfao
Qu'ran mate, Qu'ran.
Both spellings are acceptable since they emulate the pronounciations correctly.
Given that the proper way of saying "Koran"/"Qu'ran" is written in arabic, which cannot be easily emulated on these forums BOTH spellings can be said to be wrong...
"The voice of the people is the cry from Hell"
Francis Atterbury (1662-1732), Bishop of Rochester
Islam is not a violent religon on the whole, but I have found a quote (or made it up possibly) that sums up the whole kind of situation.
''The acts of the one outweigh the views of the many''
Basically means that if someone blows something up, then the religion/faction/GF Staff group that did so will be labelled as people who blow stuff up, even if everybody else's views in that group are contrary.
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