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Looking at your post I am reminded of another sad era in history, a time when people went around wearing a uniform with two lightning bolts on the collar. And were given free reign to root out traitors and saboteurs.
Be careful with what weapons you choose to fight terrorism, for if you follow your course through to conclusion the only difference between them and you will be in the name.

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Responding with violence will only create a never ending cycle of death.
Examples: Israel and Palestine, Great Britain and Ireland, USA and Iraq

Have any of you watched "Tough Crowd" show last night? They were talking about Islam and violence. Pretty interesting.
There was also a documentary on HBO about 3 Palestinian boys helping Muslim militants. Their teacher was teaching them a violent poem about anger and killing Jews. That little boy said he wanted to be a Martyr, to die for God
There was also a little 3 year old girl interviewed, and she called Jews " Sons of dogs"
Kids are being tought violence and hatered by their parents, teachers, religious leaders. So sad

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Brtain has a force in Afghanistan, France has offered her special forces which are looking for him in the mountains.

Britain
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...fghanistan.stm

France [old article but they acted on their intentions]
http://www.info-france-usa.org/news/...ghan061102.asp


Germany [even on request on the US]
http://www.worldpress.org/Europe/274.cfm



I'm sick and tired of US pseudo-racist supremecists saying that they do all and everyone else are good for nothing scum.



What like Iran?

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you find indoctrination in every level of every society.

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Trust me, I know first hand. We were issued gas masks in second grade, my school had a shooting range on the top floor, were we assamble and dissasemble AK-47s. For Phys Ed class we threw dummy grenades. I was brainwashed about the history of my country, and was made believe that America was the enemy. There was also a fallout shelter outside my school.
I hope the kids in Palestine and other Arab countries open their eyes and realize they are being thought lies by the people around them.

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Oh and Count Nosferatu, you can add Denmark to that list (see here).
and Tekk9, please pay special attention to the lines saying 'Earlier this year, Denmark had the largest force in Afghanistan relative to the population of the country' and 'During the height of the fighting around the cave complexes in Tora Bora in Afghanistan, Danish special ops units hunted for and battled Al Qaeda forces'.
though you obviously like to present it that way, uncle sam is not doing all the work. and the list is not up-to-date; we have troops in iraq too...

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I recently heard about this cool videogame - Jihad. It a sort of Max Paine type of game except the hero of the game is a young Arab who's been oppressed by the American soldiers and who has lost his family to US miliraty operations in the Middle East. Apparently it starts out where you do some minor violent opperations against US soldiers stationed in the Holy Land and work your way up to bringing down Wall Street and the US economic and political infrastructure.

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but you also know In israel they do the exact same thing and worse? and this was shown once on a documentary...

Vladtemplar, what would you do if you were in any palastinian's place?

Edit: What video game is that?

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I was in their place. My country was occupied by Russians since 1940. We had a revolution in 1991 and they left. I saw people getting run over by tanks....

The game is called Jihad. I think its banned in US

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but i mean in Thier place, being a palastinian, in thier current situations, and problems.

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I would not want to be a martyr, thats for sure. I feel sorry for them, but I believe violence only leads to violence. There has to be a peaceful solution.

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but the whole world thinks of you(being a palastinian) of being a terrorist. and there is no hope for your freedom(i dont think they will ever get freedom), then what would you do? peace wouldnt lead to anything would it?

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If every single Palestinian gave up their weapons, started to teach their children to be tolerant to other religions, realise that Israel is not going away, start rebuilding government infrastructure, ask UN for humanitarian help, stop blowing themselves up, become an independant Republic separeted from religion, then it will all work out

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^ that will happen when israel pulls out.

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You still didnt answer my question this is what needs to be done from palastinians, not what you have done of you were one.

-palastinians dont have weapons, if they did they wouldnt be blowing them selves up.
-Palastinians are already tolerent to other religions except judism because of what israelies do(christian and muslim palastinians face the same problems).other religions also need to teach thier children to be tolerent to other religions.
-they propably know israel isnt gowing away since the most powerful nation in the world 100% backs it up.
-they cant build government infastractue they're having thier own haouses demolished by tanks, and AMERICAN apaches every day.
-when ever palastine or any arab country asks for help in the UN america Vetos and no one can do anything about it.
-again, all they have is bombs to use. if you give them weapons then they would propably get thier lands back.
-what do you mean by independent republic state.

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Here's a little factoid. Israel is a very mixed nation. They already have an Arab Knesset which helps establish policies for Israel. Here's the fact. In the year 2025, the Arab/Christian/Muslim/Palestinian population of Israel will multiply several times over. It'll be a small wonder that one day, an Arab would like to run for Prime Minister of Israel. If this would ever happen, the Jewish state of Israel probably won't stay Jewish for very long. Muslims as well as Christians could rise up and start deciding policy for Israel. With the growing population, these candidates will have a better chance at winning the election. Smart Israelis realize this and that is why they want to make peace so the Arabs/Christians/Muslims/Palestinians have a nation they can call their own. But sadly, its the stupid Israelis from the Likud party running the show....

If someone from say, the Labor party rose up, there might be a better chance at brokering a peace deal. For now, the war will ravage both sides of the conflict.

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1. Explosives, grenades and AK-47s are weapons. Palestinians have them
2. They need to be tolerant to ALL religions, escpecialy Judaism
3. They believe that they can destroy the country of Israel and get their land back from Israel
4. The reason the terrorist's houses are being demolished, because they went to Israel to kill innocent civilians. It Israel's policy to destroy terrorist's houses
5. They need to be a secular democratic republic.
Being an extremist Muslim supporting terrorism is not helping them

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-yes they do have them but how many do? 10-30 militians thats all.
-they ARE tolrent to ALLreligions, but jews hate them, why would palastinians love the jews if they hate them? jews arent tolerant to islam, so why would we respect them? i might say more but i better shut up befor some one calls me a preecher or a terrorist or soemthing...
-no they dont, who can destroy a country backed up by a super super world power?
-no they dont know who terrorists are or else they would have kille dthem, they are destroying EVERYONE's houses ecspecially in a city called, Rafah . Israel also does terrorist acts aginst Civilians. and if you want to speak of palastine/israel please go here:http://www.gamingforums.com/showthread.php?t=142899 .
-they canyt run a government! no one can support them right now! you will never know this! i dont think russia shows what happens in palastine every day, in america thy dont.
how can they be deocratic when they have two world powers aginst them?

Btw: are you calling me that?

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dreadnought u need to go run up a friggin tree. Stop getting hung up on what I said putin shoud do. Lose the one track and open it up.

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Actually Palastinians have millions of AKs and such but isreal has better assualt rifles, tanks, planes, helicopters, more troops, an organized army, better training, better supplies, more supplies, and have the back up of world powers if they get in trouble. Palasinians started using suicide bombers because conventional weapons weren't working. Now they use terror. They use suicide bombings because it scares people more because they know that that the enemy hates them so much they are willing to die in order to kill them.

BTW I back Palastinians although I disagree at how they are going about it.

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but this dosent mean israel dosent use terror. if you live in america(like me) you will never see on TV what happens every day over there.

btw: if you live in europe you propably get some of the things that happen there on TV.

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It's time for me to jump in again.

Lets see.... where to start.... AH! There.

Palistine and Isreal are both wrong. They have been at it for so long they just can't see that the first side to say, "That's enough!" will get a ton of respect among the world powers. I mean, when are the leaders going to see that all the land in the world is not worth such a river of blood as they are providing?

The Jewish people say that they are entitled to that land because of the Bible. Wrong. The land was set aside for them a long time ago, when the righteous were in danger of dieing out. Now, as soon as they stop it with their childish fighting, they will see that that land is capable of housing two major religions, and a third if the Christians decide to return in large numbers. And a fourth if someone else wishes to join the party.

Both Isreal and Palestine are acting like this now-overused word 'terrorists'. Isreali helocopters blow up buildings, killing civilians; as propaganda-fueled Palestinians blow themselves up in bus stations. The only difference between the two is how it's done.

I, for one, can not tell if someone is Palestinian or Isreali by looking at them. Can you?

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1. Explosives, grenades and AK-47s are weapons. Palestinians have them

ofcourse, ak-47's are great weapons to use against high tech aircraft and heavily armored tanks. oh and let's not forget cruise missiles.

2. They need to be tolerant to ALL religions, escpecialy Judaism

agreed. so should the jews.

3. They believe that they can destroy the country of Israel and get their land back from Israel

agreed, so do the jews. but they think they can claim the palestinian terroritories as their own.

4. The reason the terrorist's houses are being demolished, because they went to Israel to kill innocent civilians. It Israel's policy to destroy terrorist's houses

yeah... brilliant tactic. but wait, isn't israel killing innocent civilians aswell? more so than the palestinian terrorists?

5. They need to be a secular democratic republic.

there you go again forcing your beliefs onto them. who the hell are you to tell them how to live? how the hell are you to condemn their religion and say it's wrong? just because it does not fit your standards does not make it wrong.

Being an extremist Muslim supporting terrorism is not helping them

being someone that kills innocent civilians "for world peace" isn't that great either.

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I think that someone should give the Palastinians nukes. That way they will launch them at each other and there will be no more war. After the dust settles and everyone learns there lessons then they can resettle the area. Sure a lot of people would die but it would better in the long run.

I am talking about non-radioactive hydrogen bombs, not radioactive plutonium/uranium bombs.

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so killing millions all at once with horrific weaponsof mass destruction is better than a few random terrorists killing only a few people a month...? I seriously hope you're kidding.

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Islam is actually a very peaceful religion.It doesn't nurish violence.Just because some of the terrorists are just Muslims doesn't mean that Islam is a violent religion.What if the Terrorists were Christians?Would you have called Christianity a violent Religion.I myself is a muslim.I think it is prejudice.Osama Bin Laden may have caused destruction in the USA but that doesn't mean that there would be a crusade.As for why we are (the muslims)behind the times?Are you judging only the Middle-East Muslims or the Muslims of the whole world?We muslims of Bangladesh have progressed very much and around 30 to 40 percent people I know have become westerned.Bangladeshis are breaking a hecka lot of Muslim codes that's why Bangladeshis have progrssed ,while Middle -east Muslims mainly Palestine can't progress because they were plagued by wars with Israel who are getting help from USA.(I have proof)

Also The names of Jesus christ and Moses are mentioned in Holy Quran ,I heard rumuors which I quite belive.

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I wouldn't go this far but I think America should just change the way we look at Israel, saying that they can do no wrong. Israel often times ignores everything the US does. I vaguely remember after the Sabra and Shatilla massacres when Ariel Sharon (then tank commander) said on Army Radio that the world cannot teach the Jews humanity. And that they can teach us humanity. What he was responding to was the massacres in the Sabra and Shatilla camps which Israel denies to taking part in.

Basically, we should stop blindly following Israel and become more critical of their actions. Not say that they must check in before retaliating. But that when we see a dividing wall is very offensive to some, they should make an effort to consider the other side. Israel hardly considers the Palestinian requests. A major request is the right of return. Palestinians want to go back to the homes that they lost. But by allowing the Palestinians to do that, the Muslim/Christian population of Israel would probably reach 30-40%. This isn't what Israel wants but it has made no effort to consider the Palestinian side. That's what makes the Palestinians so angry.....

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They aren't just a few terrorist killings. There are terrorist attacks almost every week. 1000's die. Besides the conflict there destabalizes the entire region and could escalate into a major conflict fairly easily. Millions of deaths now are better than billions of the course of centuries.

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saying to kill everyone in israel and palestine now instead of letting a very small percentage of the population get killed by terrorists is retarded at best.

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nah what do yo mean by thousands? and i dont agree with either israel or palastine getting nukes.

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Ok from a Bangladeshi's point of view couldn't the US have search Iraq for Saddam.They destroyed the whole country ,well almost the whole country ,and I guess a lot of people died.There were thousands of jokes made about Bush and the US.

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In the long run having millions die is better than having a 1000 (or more) years of war and people living in terror. Of course Isreal could also kill all Muslims and end the war too. Or vise-versa. The point is that it is better to finish now with a mass demonstration of the stupidity of war than to continue for 100's of generations. It is also better to end it now when we have less powerful weapons to kill ourselves with. I would want them to have a war and literally blow the world up; at least in a nuclear holocaust there is some chance for life left (maybe not human life but it is better than nothing).

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dude, seriously, shut up.

israel will fall in the next 5-6 decades or so when america loses it's superpower status. america will stop backing israel, and then israel will wither and die.

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i think what JP(NL) said will happen, but i think it could be less time. i still wouldnt want a war, i would want a peaceful solution, like force them to move out of palastine, and let them live WITH another country, or just strip them of thier weapons, and rebuild palastine, and let them LIVE with palastinians, in the nation of palastine under the flag of palastine.

you people do know the jews live in egypt, and other arab countries right? same goes to christians.

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Err no... IIRC the bus bombs were the first time Israel saw a bombing for ages

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US isn't going to lose its superpower status anytime soon.

They didn't start suicide bombings that long ago, I know, but they have been doing a lot of them sense then. They do things other than suicide bombings as well.

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Like move, respire, sense, grow, reproduce, excrete and nourish

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No I mean launch mortars, plant bombs then detonate them, and drive by shootings. It is pretty bad when you have to explain simple things that common sense can figure out.

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Too pretty much some-up my thoughts which have been said, I want to say to those few who are not "informed"......Islam, which has been mentioned is a pacifist religion, anyone remembers Ghandi? Its only violent when certain individulals take it to the "next" level. Also, to those few, again, the other religions of the world have been just as violent. Take Christianity for example, does anyone remember the Crusades???
and as small note, I don't take anyone serious if they follow the 'Force' as the religion.

For me, as in what faith I follow, I'm Taoist!

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Warrior monk or pacifistic monk?

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I don't want any war,just peace.I hate Crusades.

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both sides lose, ecspecially the attackers. but i dont think there should be any reason to tell uninformed people about what israel does, or what other people did.ill tell you guys the truth: Muslims can be violent, but only when they are attacked. muslims NEED to defend themselves and all other religions need to defend themselves. we can sit and see muslims die everyday and NOT do anything about it because some one is oging to call muslims violent.

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a bit of column 'A' and a bit of column 'B'....simply I'm not a violent person but if you want to start a fight with me, I'll give you fight

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So basically Israel is gonna fall and the rest of the Middle East will be unchanged... ok.... I don't think so. Everything is gonna change. You're thinking of the future of some things, without looking what will happen to other.

Israel could fall, and the other countries could get even poorer.

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Umm ok Islam is a religion of violence, but so is any other religion.
If you guys are all like, man Christianity is peacful, you are more wong then your are right. Infact the only reason why you don't have religious wars in the US is because of government. All religions are violent because it requires you to praise and devote yourself to one thing, if someone disagrees then someone is gonna get pissed off and be violent.


"Any thinking man is Atheist"

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Umm... Why hasnt the Pope declared any sort of religious military action for centuries then? The closest thing any recent Pope did was challenge Hitler. Later, he challenged Stalin. Not militarily, peacefully.

I don't agree with this 'Islam=violent' bull. It's all crap.


"Any loving man has faith."

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Well, the Vatican has almost no military power to speak of, so...

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Damn, bob was first.

The pope has no military power anymore. He used to control Rome, its surroundings, and have a lot of Italian dukes, lords,... as his allies. Apart from that, he could (and I'm speaking of the Middle Ages) excommunicate kings (worked pretty well, since - back then - almost everyone was religious), give financial support, pressure people,...

Oh, and the pope was a friend of Hitler. After the terrible things that had been done by Hitler were discovered, the Vatican tried to cover that up (I'm not saying they had anything to do with that, no, the pope wasn't THAT evil ;)).

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Just an add on, the Vatican does have ceremonial Swiss guards :P

I wouldn't be surprised if they were undercover SAS or something...