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-DarthMaul- October 17th, 2004 08:51 AM

Re: Islam- Religion of violence
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakarious
Well, the Islam religion actually believes in lots of bad virtues, such as all westerners are pigs.


First off, i would like to congratulate you for reviving a 2 weeks old thread that was :0wned: .

Secondly, i congratulate you for not reading ALL the pages on this thread.

Thirdly, Are you Vladtemplar under disguise or something?

Fourth, Where DID you ge that from? (like colonel bob says)


Note: i thought this thread was dead already, never thought people would be searching for it, THEN reviving it.

DavetheFo October 17th, 2004 08:57 AM

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Its better to be revived, than a whole new thread and the person get flamed for the fact we already have one.

On this point though, make sure you actually have a worthwhile point when reviving the thread.

yod@ October 17th, 2004 09:04 AM

Re: Islam- Religion of violence
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakarious
Well, the Islam religion actually believes in lots of bad virtues, such as all westerners are pigs.


ah!! another of vladtemplar's kin

Nemmerle October 17th, 2004 09:35 AM

Re: Islam- Religion of violence
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakarious
Well, the Islam religion actually believes in lots of bad virtues, such as all westerners are pigs.

Care to back that up?

Biggus Dickus October 17th, 2004 10:30 AM

Re: Islam- Religion of violence
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Dave
On this point though, make sure you actually have a worthwhile point when reviving the thread.

I'm not sure it's the case with that one...

DavetheFo October 17th, 2004 10:32 AM

Re: Islam- Religion of violence
 
Might as well see how it develops for a day.

Come on people, good posts, not spam.

vladtemplar October 17th, 2004 10:46 AM

Re: Islam- Religion of violence
 
Doesnt Islam teach, that if you aren't a Muslim, you are an infadel, and if you can't be converted, you have to die?

DeaditeDan October 17th, 2004 11:02 AM

Re: Islam- Religion of violence
 
No.

Islam teaches that people cannot be converted by force, conversion must come from conviction not coercion.

Islam also believes in protecting Non-Muslim minorities in Islamic countries. It is the duty of governments in Islamic lands to protect the non-Muslim minorities.

This isn't always what happens in theory. Like any other religion, the egalitarian aspects of Islamic teachings are often shunned for hate. Christians do this all the time too though.

-DarthMaul- October 17th, 2004 11:12 AM

Re: Islam- Religion of violence
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vladtemplar
Doesnt Islam teach, that if you aren't a Muslim, you are an infadel, and if you can't be converted, you have to die?

No it dosent.

if what you say is true, arab countries would have been COMPLETELEY 100% Muslims.

And alot of fighting would be going on in the world.

vladtemplar October 17th, 2004 11:15 AM

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Here we go:

The curse of God on the infidels! 2:83

God is an enemy to infidels. 2:92

Whoever offers violence to you, offer you the like violence to him.
2:190

Men are a step above women. 2:228

Fight for the cause of God. 2:245

God loves no infidel. 2:276

God, you are our protector: give us victory therefore over the infidel
nations. 2:286

As for the infidels, their wealth, and their children, shall avail them
nothing against God. 3:8

Say to the infidels: you shall be worsen, and to Hell shall you be
gathered together; and wretched the couch! 3:10

Let not believers take infidels for their friends rather than believers:
whoso shall do this has nothing to hope from God. 3:27

God loves not the unbelievers.

Whoso desires any other religion than Islam, that religion shall
never be accepted from him, and in the next world he shall be
among the lost. 3:79

O ye who have believed! form not intimacies among others than
yourselves. They will not fail to corrupt you. They long for your
ruin. Hatred has already shown itself out of their mouths, but
more grievous is what their breasts conceal. 3:114

O you who have believed! If you obey the infidels, they will cause
you to turn upon your heels, and you will fall back into perdition.
3:142

And if you shall be slain or die on the path of God, then pardon
from God and mercy is better than all your amassings; For if
you die or be slain, verily unto God shall you be gathered. 3:151,2

And repute not those slain on God's path to be dead. Nay, alive
with their Lord, are they richly sustained. 3:163

And they who have fled their country and quitted their homes and
suffered in my cause, and have fought and fallen, I will blot out
their sins from them, and I will bring them into gardens beneath
whcih the streams do flow. 3:194

Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which
God has gifted the one above the other. 4:38

but if women are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against
them. 4:38

If you be sick, or on a journey, or have come from the unclean place
or have touched a woman, and you find not water, then rub pure
sand, and bathe your face and your hands with it. 4:46

Among the Jews are those who displace the words of their scriptures,
and say, We have heard, and we have not obeyed. Hear you, but as
one that hears not; and look at us; perplexing with their tongues, and
wounding the Faith by their revilings.
But if they would say, We have heard, and we obey; hear you, and
regard us; it were better for them, and more right. But God has
cursed them for their unbelief. Few only of them are believers.
4:48,9

Let those then fight on the path of God, who barter this present life
for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God's path, whether
he be slain or conquer, we will in the end give him a great reward. 4:77

They who believe, fight on the path of God; and they who believe not
fight on the path of Thagout: Fight therefore against the friends of
Satan. 4:78

God has assigned to those who contend earnestly with their persons
and with their substance, a rank above those who sit at home. Goodly
promises has He made to all. But God has assigned to the strenuous
a rich recompense, above those who sit still at home. 4:97

Verily, the infidels are your undoubted enemies! 4:102

O believers! Take not infidels for friends rather than believers. Would
you furnish God with clear right to punish you? 4:143

The male shall have the portion of two females. 4:175

And if you have become unclean, then purify yourselves. But if you
are sick, or on a journey, of if one of you come from the place of
retirement, of if you have touched women, and you find no water,
then take clean sand and rub your faces and you hands with it. 5:9

O Beleivers! Take not the Jews or Christians as friends. They are
but one another's friends. If any one of you takes them for his
friends, he surely is one of them! 5:56

Of all men you will certainly find the Jews, and those who join other
gods with God, to be the most intense in hatred of those who believe;
and you shall certainly find those to be nearest in affection to them
who say, We are Christians.' This, because some of them are priests
and monks, and because they are free from pride. 5:85

Fight then against them until strife be at an end, and the religion be all
of it God's. 8:40

And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods
with God wherever you shall find them; and seize them, besiege them,
and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall convert,
and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their
way. 9:5

Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as
believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God
and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the
truth. 9:29

But alms are only to be given to the poor and the needy, and those who
collect them, and to those whose hears are won to Islam. 9:60

O Prophet! Contend against the infidels and the hypocrites, and be rigorous
with them. 9:74

Never pray you over anyone of them who dies, or stand at his grave, because
they believed not in God and His Apostle, and died in their wickedness. 9:85

But the Apostle and those who share his faith, contend for the faith with purse
and person; and these! All good things await them: and these are they who shall
be happy. 9:89

Verily, of the faithful has God bought their persons and their substance, on
condition of Paradise for them in return: on the path of God shall they fight,
and slay, and be slain: a promise for this is pledged in the Law, and in the
Evangel, and in the Koran; and who more faithful to his engagement than
Rejoice, therefore, in the contract that you contracted: for this shall be the
great bliss. 9:112

Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbors, and let them find you rigorous. 9:124

God loves not the false, the Infidel. 22:39

Give not way therefore to the Infidels, but by means ot this Koran strive
against them with a mighty strife. 25:54

Be not you helpful to the unbelievers. 28:86


If you have time, read this essay:
http://www.uq.net.au/slsoc/manussa/tr05manu.htm

and this one:
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/juancole.htm

Islamic historians record Muhammad’s actual teachings and deeds: he denigrated and committed crimes against those that rejected him. The Quran does teach aggressive violence against others, including Jews and Christians, and not only against the Meccans or their pagan allies.


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