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you bet you r ass it's a religion of violence. You may say how, and i say that they belive their religion o be supirior to others. Now i do know good muslims but that is because they live in america and come into contact with other religions all the time. but for instance in the middle east there is intolerance. the more i think about it they commit more atrocities aginst humanity. For example KILLING OVER 300 CHILDREN IN RUSSIA THE DAMN BASTARDS. TO THAT I SAY LET PUTIN SHOULD GO ON A RACIAL CLENSING IN CHECHNEY. it's things like that that piss me off, killing inoccent children. better yet just nuke them

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I see someones bent on giving Christians a good name...

Seriously, you can express your opinion, but please do so with more respect to Islam. It's a RELIGION for Christ's sake.

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i am not and so what if I am a christian. i just don't lke the extreamists.

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I am not a Christian, but I dont like violent Muslim extremists ether.
They have been killing my people. They will pay

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I'm Catholic myself. I'm just reccomending you respect other people's beliefs, it'll make you more popular here if you don't insult everything that moves.

Too many bombs is not a good thing. EXTREMISTS suck, but normal people who follow what they're being extreme about don't.

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Wow, you just lost all credibility, pal....

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is that your sincere opinion, mate, or would you like to rephrase it?

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If this ain't a racist statement, I would like to know what it is...

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"Arabs have always been a highly civilised, intelligent and scientific people. Most modern mathematics was either created or preserved by the Arabs after the Roman Empire dissolved. They are highly hospitable and courteous. For centuries the Arabs were the most advaned civilisation on the planet."

First of all learn to spell. Secondly If the Arabs are so damned intelligent then why do they still perform midevil acts of violence? Christ man, this is the 21st century and they are still chopping off heads. How many contributions to society have they made recently? As a previous poster eluded, they do not condemn the violence of their own religion. This is not good. Also there are not just a few radical followers. Try millions. This is a major problem folks. Once they get their hands on nukes it is all over WW3.

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First of all, don't tell people how to spell. I hate forum spell checker nazi's. Now, I do agree with you though, Muslums have not contributed anything really valuable to the modernized world recently in years. The only reason why the United States and other countries hasn't wiped them clean off the planet is because we are supposed to be civilized. I am sure in another universe the rest of the world would have fucked these people over the minute they started doing their terrorist bullshit. Would anyone really miss them? I sure as hell wouldn't. However I do recognize the fact that there are a lot more good people in the middle east then there are bad, even if they do cheer terrorist who attack America on. Still, if they weren't there, the world would be a better place. No one can deny that.

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Sadly however it is not over; nothing has been solved, all the hatred still remains.
War is but a symptom of something far nastier and more insidious, something that walks the streets in the guise of righteousness and good, something that twists all that was once pure and innocent into something unclean.

But that isn’t really the point and I’m finding myself getting sidetracked into a lecture on morality; this verse demonstrates a certain hatred for the disbelievers that is not limited to those who attack Islam.

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First learn to spell. Second, what is it that they do thats so "midevil (sic)" (bearing in mind that the medieval period was relatively peaceful compared to the Early Modern and Modern periods) compared to the rest of the world?

So? In Texas they give the lethal injection, in other places they shoot someone. Doesn't really matter about details... you're still dead at the end of it.

Oil

Eluded? Spelling is minor... malapropism is not. Don't use words which you don't understand.

I think you find that many do condemn the violence... you just don't notice it.

Because VVVVVVVVV

Where?

Funnily enough thats what Americans said of the Commies and vice versa....

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Pakistan has somewhere around 40-50 nuclear weapons and they are a strong ally of ours in the war on terror. In fact, they do more in bringing in terrorists in their country and by having skirmishes along their border with pro-Taliban tribes. They are the only nation that is aggressively pursuing Osama Bin Laden next to the United States.

:looks around for WW3:

Hmmmm... can't find it. I think you're wrong, man.

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"I do know good muslims but that is because they live in america and come into contact with other religions all the time." Hold on just a sec. I said i did know good muslims but they have had the chance to see other religions and not just their own. I have something against the EXTREAMESTS. In my opinion they give the rest of the muslim world a bad name. Now that's not fair to them nor the rest of the world. That's why i am so angry about what happened in Chechney. First reason they killed no slaughtered over 300 inocent children. Second reason there were Arab (forgive my spelling) mersinaries there that helped in the attack. It could be just a matter of time before something like that happens in the U.S., or somwhere else in the world. That is why i say Putin should go in to Chechney and get 300 to 350 of those muslims (men, wemen, or children) line them up infront of a fireing squad and shoot them. Retrobution must be paid thses people can not go unpunished. It is sad, because i have prayed for them but then thought to myself how can that work when they believe they are doing Gods work. Therefore i believe that in this case an eye for an eye or a hand for a hand is acceptable, because these extreamists will not reason and will not back down until the last drop of blood is spent. and this is not just for those people in Chechney but all over the world. Think about that for a little while.

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the war on terror is WWIII, every county has a part to play in bringging terriosts to justice . and a tru WWIII is right around the corner as soon as Iran has its nukes which it said it could have in 3 years.

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Do you think that isn't a reality already, Buddy? If you have the stomach, watch these videos:

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/video/

Chechnya is a hell hole. There is fighting on both sides. A dozen or so people die every single day. Russian atrocities have killed over 100,000 people in the past 5 years when fighting began again in 1999. And the terrorists aren't roses either. They constantly harrass and intimidate THEIR OWN PEOPLE, forcing them not to participate in elections and making them take up arms against Russians. Terrorists also make their own people give up their valuables so they can buy weapons. If they don't, they like to use the term "collaborator" when they unload an AK-47 magazine into a woman and her children.

Why do you think Russia has to pick a leader every time one dies in Chechnya? Because voter turnout is like ZERO! Nobody comes because they'll probably die. So for you to say that Putin should order the deaths of 350 innocents for payback isn't fair. These people have terrible lives and you'll never hear about it on CNN, MSNBC or Fox because if regular Americans found out what happens in Chechnya, the US government will find itself intervening in the near future. That's not what this government wants to do.

EDIT: And just to give a little perspective, Russa (along with Israel) has withdrawn itself from the International Court of Justice which is currently trying war criminal Slobodan Milosevic.

http://www.icj-cij.org/icjwww/icjhome.htm

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Err other than the UK, France, Russia, China, Japan and others :rolleyes:


erm... no

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Show me where those countries have made a valiant effort to capture Osama Bin Laden and other AL-Qaeda elements in Afghanistan. They are a peacekeeping force. Since Pakistan lives amongst the terrorists, it's their responsibility to bring in terrorists. And they're doing just that.

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You don't think the US people will call for peace and stability, especially when an ally (Russia) needs it most?

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By your reasoning then the US doesn't make a contribution either.

Your ignorance is insulting to those people not from America who risk their lives in Afghanistan and elsewhere participating in the War against Terror

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No I don't think that the US government would give a flying toss whether the Russians were brutal in Chechnya or not... unless its for their own gains [like in Afghanistan]

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I'll I'm asking you to do is show me evidence of where those nations have participated in missions which involved capturing Osama Bin Laden and attacking local tribes that have pro-Taliban elements within them. Oh and the US supplies Pakistan with the help. Pakistan is broke, they would be lost without American support.

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no tekk9 that is where you r wrong anywhere ther is terriosts action that is where the U.S. has business to go. not that we should get involved in someone's civil war/uncivil war but if they support terrorism then we have a reason to be there.

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alright every one, name one time ARABS or MUSLIMS as a whole went over to a country and attacked it. oh and you cant say the attack on the school was Religiously motivated.

:Censored:

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Warning for the next posters:
If this thread continues the way it is (I.E. flaming), it will be closed.

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I think we have a responsibility to promote peace and prosperity all over the world. That is not to say that we should take it upon ourselves to fix everyone's problems. But if we don't do something, hundreds of thousands of people will be in big trouble. Here's a little perspective on the matter....

- Bosnia was essentially a civil war amongst the various ethnicities (Bosnian, Serb and Croatian) It started in 1992 with an alliance between the Bosnian Muslims and the Orthodox Greek Croatians. The US didn't intervene until 3 years later in 1995. By that time, all three factions were at war with each other. Well over 300,000 people were killed. The most memorable massacre in the war in the town of Srebrenica (sreb-brunn-neesa). This city was supposed to be guarded by UN FORCES and was said to be a safe haven. Guess what happened? THE UN FORCES ABANDONED THEIR POSITIONS AFTER THE SERBS ARRIVED! 8,000 Muslim men and boys were killed and thrown into ditches. That's how worthless the UN is. After that incident, US forces intervened and ended the war in guess how much time? 6 days.

- Rwanda was a civil war in which two factions (the Hutus and the Tutsis) faught a war based on class. For 100 days, people were massacred all over the country. But not with tanks, planes and missles. They were killed by being stabbed, bludgeoned, butchered and lit on fire. Being shot was something of a rarity. 800,000 people were believed to have been killed in that incident. The UN did NOTHING to stop the conflict and they only came after the war was rumored to have been dying down. That peace treaty ended and little under 50 UN soldiers were killed by Rwandans. Guess what they did? THEY SPLIT! Half their soldiers were told to go home and make room for the invading US force. Pathetic.....

- Kosovo was also another major event in which people were killed based on race. The Serbs said they were fighting terrorism. :rolleyes: They killed men, women and children in masse in the city of Pristina, over 900 died their alone. All in all, about 12,000 people were killed there. Hardly any of them included KLA forces.

- E. Timor was another great example of revolutionaries being killed by state controled forces and other nationalists. Without US intervention in that conflict, it would still be raging on and people would be killed just for speaking out. Today, the world recognizes East Timor as a sovereign nation.

Now I'm not lashing out, this is a perfectly reasonable debate. I'm asking, how is it not crucial to have US intervention? Do you not care for these people? If you turn a blind eye to a conflict that is so stupid as to being about race or religion, then you've basically sentenced those people to death. It's important to help when you can.

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We can't. I am just saying that most major terrorist groups nowadays are muslum or Arab or whatever you would like to call them. Greece has excepted this fact already publicly, I wish the rest of them would as well. The more countries that shun their religion because of extremist, the better chance we have at getting rid of them. If they know that they have no support, what will motivate them to fight?

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i only said R****d you didnt have to take out the whole sentence.


to X-C, freedom.

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This is an article by MSNBC, these are sentiments of Arabs that are fed up with terrorists trying to destroy their religion's image.....

This was my favorite line from the reading.....

They know the reputation they have. They know that things need to be changed. Don't think for a minute that all Muslims are terrorists. They are not. And a lot are fed up with being called terrorists all the time. The people above are very prominent members of their societies.

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I dunno if this has been said or not.

Islam ain't a violent power. Take a look back in history before people carried around small bombs to blow themselves up. Take a look at the Islamic Empire. It spanned from Spain to the Middle East.

http://img21.exs.cx/img21/3603/Arab_Empire.gif

Now if the Arabs are violent uncivilised people, how in the world did they get that. I'm sure it wasn't from uncoordinated suicide charges. They needed to be advanced, intelligent and resourceful.

I'm sure their religion helped them make their empire. Now you can't say it's a violent religion then. Because you see other empires with less "Violent" religions guiding them.

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(i know this is a couple of days old but i just noticed it.)
Explain. i already told ged what that vers meant and he sadly dosent understand. look at americans(not religiously motivated) but they are the ones getting drunk, beating up thier wives/girl friends and going to prison. they are the ones rapping women. (i heard that every 60 seconds a woman is rapped/beaten in the united states), my dad never beat my mom, or sisters.

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I ripped this from another site. It basically speaks of the importance of some women including the wife of their prophet. Read this.....

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Hmmm....

The recent incident in Chechnya (I can't spell Russian/Middle Eastern names, just ask my Indian friends, :lol: ) was in response to the Russian government. The attackers just happened to be Muslim. You can't use people like them to stereotype a whole religion.

In Iraq, they're people defending their homes using bad methods. Elsewhere, the terrorists are fighting for their own greedy desires, and using religion to gain recruits.

If you want to stereotype the Islamic religion, at least have the respect to choose a half good person, ie Saladin.


EDIT: Nice info, Tekk. Thanks for posting :)

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how was he half good? he was a great man. he didnt kill richard the lionheart, and he sent his own doctors to help richard. you cant say thats half good.

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He had 100s of wives and 100s of Concubines.

He was also at the other end of the crusades so of course Christians (from that time) are told stories of how bad he was (true or not).

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Oh, dear... You misunderstood me. I meant at LEAST half-good. He was a great man, and a great leader. Indeed, he was the Rommel of his day.

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ok, lol (there was a thread exactly like this a long time ago)

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Link?

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Now, I'm with you on the Arabs being civilized, howver: uncivilized people have, in the ancient world, when technology wasn't that important, taken over large area's of land. Just think of the Mongols. And just like the Muslims, the Arabs had the advantage of fast troops, riding on horses or camels, capable of destroying more conventional armies (at least in open areas, in France they ran into some trouble).

However, there religion did help. Unlike others, the Arabs didn't force Christians or Jews to follow their religion. In fact THEY PROTECTED THEM! The only thing they had to do in return, was to pay taxes. Of course, many (FREELY) converted to the religion of the conquerors.

After conquering many areas of the ancient, Roman world, the Arabs came into contact with the Greek civilization. They helped save lots of old works (Aristotle), and developed new ideas and philosophies themselves.

And yes, Saladin was very civilized, especially when compared with us western barbarians. Not one person was killed when he reconquered Jerusalem. He was one of the few that were admired in the west.

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this is the second time you speak in support of genocide/war crimes/general atrocities. whatever you political and/or religous beliefs are, this is unacceptable. next time it happens, you will be banned!

the eye for an eye concept is a funny idea because it works both ways. you propose punishing killers of men, women and children by killing other men women and children. but remember that following this line of thought, september 11th can be justified this way.


and before this turns into a thread about the terrorist incident in russia, such a thread already exists here.

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I was think about King Solomon when I said 100s of wifes and concubines, my bad.;)

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(King Solomon and his father King David are recognized as prophits in islam, all the prophits recognized by islam are to be jewish prophits, except mohamed for islam, and jesus and mary were for christianity)ill start with the david, i think he is the one that is know with having 100's of wives. it was known that he was so strong that he bent steel very easily(with his hands) that he made armour for his own guards, and soliders. and he killed Golaith (i think he is the one he killed with a slinger and a stone), it is known that he and solomon were kings of palastine(i think it had a diffrent name that time[leave the palastinian and israeli conflict out of this because it has its own thread]). David is known to have found the Torah, and the coffin of moses.

King Solomon, son of david, was given the power/miracle to talk to every living thing, he also had the power to order the wind to blow which ever direction he wanted(with permission of god). and he built the Dome on the rock/Al-Aqsa.

(just a bit of history :D :) )

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Eh???
Wtf does that have to do with anything. Jesus, you people get way too deep into this. Stop being so touchy about your friccin religion. It might just be fake anyway. And lets stop blaming Muslims for Terrorism. Lets just all lighten up. I mean, if these fanatics didn't take it so seriously. We'd have a better world.

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it was some histroy. your religion isnt being attacked all the time! wouldnt you be "touchy" about your religion too if some one kept blaming your religion for terrorism?

sadly if tried to stop them from saying any thing, but they just keep comign up with verses and other things that they THINK means terror or violence.

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All your religions are the same. They all lead back to Abraham. If my history serves me correctly, I think there was some banishment or seperation of the two brothers, Isaac and Ishmael (Ishaq and Ismail in Arabic). Isaac was sent to what is believed to be Jerusalem and Ishmael was sent to the Arab Penisula (i.e. Mecca or Medina in Saudi Arabia). The two brothers came together when their father, Abraham, died in Hebron which is a city in the West Bank in Palestine/Israel, whatever you wanna call it.

http://www.e-greenstar.com/Hebron/Hebron%20Mosque.jpg



Oh, here's something interesting. There is a mosque in Petra, Syria called the Omayyad Mosque. Guess whose tomb that is? If you guessed John the Baptist, you'd be correct!

http://www.clevelandmemory.org/arabs/P032-03.jpg


So if you think you're different than another religion, you're wrong. Most of you are from cousin tribes and you don't even know it. The bickering between the Palestinians and the Israelis is, essentially, a family feud. There is no holy text in the Quran that says you must make war with Jews. That is completely false. Muslims, Christians and Jews are all members of a similar strain. You're more alike than you think......

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christianity and islam are jewish sects, but they are reluctant to admit it.

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I have a problem wih bench sitters. The only reason I had said Putin should take 250 men wemon or children was because I am tired of countries not taking a strong ENOUGH stand aginst terrism. I think that the only way to win this entire terrism mess is through war, and I would like to hear if someone else could think of a way other than this. War and killing is a terrible thing but it is a neccary evil that haunts the world. This my frinds is WWIII the war on terrior, every country has a part to play and needs to play it. TO bring this menace of society "terrism" to justice.

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by lining men, women and children up and executing them?!?

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thats sick if thats what he(buddy) means...

you can never win terrorism. you will kill them, innocents because terrorists did this. they dont deserve to die, the government didnt order them to do this. i would say, give them freedom, why would they attack you if you dont them? why would they attack you if the have freedom? see, think about it.

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NO NO NO. not what I ment. If Putin did something of that nature it would be a horrific thing. what i menat by "Brining this menace of society " terrism" to justice" was that every country has a part to play in this struggle we are fighting right now. Putin said he had failed his people by not cracking down enough on terrism. So his part to play in this is to make terrorism his #1 priority. other countries need to come aroiund a see that denouncing terrorism is not the same as getting out there and doing something. These countries are not helping at all. We all as in every country needs to take a stronger stand. Ex. some countries especially the ones with the money to do this should form special poliece forces to go and find terrists and kill them or imprison them. If need be theses coiuntries need to go to war with other nations that support terrorism. If this is done i'm not saying that a democratic gov shoud be in place( for all those out there that hate the U.S.) but a more peaceful gov. should be put in place. You know i was looking at another thread on here and it said How do you think WWII will start. I thought to myself and said you know what it already has, and it is the war on terror. Do not take me as someone who wishes death to all Muslims because I am not. i know for a fact that most of them are very peaceful people all except for the extreamists. But the nub of this is if you are a country who denounces terrorism but do nothing about it you do not help things you are like a simple bystander. So open your minds to what I just said.