Islam- Religion of violence

[Aeroflot]

Originally Posted by vladtemplar

Dude, you need to look at the wider picture. Just because your family is non-violent, doesnt mean that all other Muslims are. Recent increase in violence have been definatly caused by Muslim extremists. And you say that you wasnt being rude to other religions- Not true you hipocrite. You insulted my religion in every post you made
I still dont hate you, because I am not like you. I dont respond with violence toward violence.

Look at it this way, because his family is non-violent, that means other could be too.

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

And yes A LOT of muslims families are non violent EXCEPT those who dont follow islam's teaching wisely.(Terrorists, Bin Laden, Etc.) yes, i do i hate them because it led to you and ged to thinking that islam is violent,

No, the Qur'an and history led me to find Islam violent.

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

and Ged, Yes, there were Offensive battles. So? that was centuries ago and it dosent count.

Yes centuries ago, when the Qur’an was being written and directly after.

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

Ged, every one is forced to pay taxes.

Mm, in my country you don’t have to pay a belief tax. Let me put this another way; should we ask people to pay an extra tax because of the colour of their skin? I think the answer is rather obviously: No. We should not ask people to pay a tax on their belief unless they choose to do so (not under duress) anymore than we should have them pay for their skin colour or anything else they cant really change that easily.

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

And Muslims pay an extra thing you of-course never heard of. It is called Zaka. the money you stored in a bank for over a year EVERY year you have to take out 2.5% of it and pay it to the poor.

An admirable thing to do; however they CHOOSE to do so.

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

and Muslims, love their religion so much, that no one ever leaves it(maybe 10-100 a year or even less), no one is forced in or out, or threatened in or out. An american girl just came to the mosque a couple of months ago and converted to Islam. A Muslim turned Athiest, and no one killed him, and he came back to Islam, a couple of months after.

A nice story no doubt; however, if the powers that be had followed Islamic law he would either be dead or would have taken up an offer of repentance and returned to Islamic ways.
An interesting point to note here is that Islamic law makes no distinction between people born into Islam and people who convert to Islam from another religion. Under the Islamic laws they would both have the same stark choices if they choose to leave Islamic ways.

[colonel_bob]

Originally Posted by Ged

An interesting point to note here is that Islamic law makes no distinction between people born into Islam and people who convert to Islam from another religion. Under the Islamic laws they would both have the same stark choices if they choose to leave Islamic ways.

That was in the past, as you can see (you just siad it in your post), they don't do that to people anymore. Islam is not the only religion to offer harsh punishments for those who leave the faith -- in the Spanish Inquisition, for instance, people were tortured if they would not confess to straying from the strict guidelines of the Church, wether they actually did or not.

And what about the Quaran makes you think it promotes violence? Some quotes would be nice...

[-DarthMaul-]

he already quoted some verses that did promote Violence BACK THEN. and about the extra taxes i already said, no one pays these anymore.

to add to the nice stories, a girl in america, was playing basketball in here team(she was muslim) and she had her scarff on, and they sued her for it , and she won the case. what the hell do the french and america want muslim girls to take there scarffs off? they want to have dignity and not walk around half naked.

Edit:

Originally Posted by USA1

Honest, I am seriously * <=this close to resorting to calling everyone an 'infidel' except for DarthMaul, who I would call something that you all know is a cruel thing to call Muslims.

Raghead? Terrorist? OSAMA?, i dont really care whatever you call me.

[El Hombre del Fuego]

Gah! NO VIOLENT RELIGIONS TODAY!

The last one was the Norse religion, long since dead. There is NO 'Religion of violence'. There is NO passage in the Koran or however you spell it, that states "The Jews, Christians, and Hindus all suck, so go kill them and then see me". There is NO central religious organization, ie the Vatican or it's equivalents, that tell the people to go kill everyone else, so why don't we all just be friggin happy and let the world collectively sleep in? Geez.


@ DarthMaul, I wasn't mad a YOU specifically, it probably seemed that way because the "Catholics in the Phillipenes' line is what finally made me think "This is just too much"

Before that, there was a ton of ignorance going on in the thread, and I tried to ignore it. If it seems unfair, I suppose I apologize.

[-DarthMaul-]

sorry if i was wrong or anything that i said was offensive. but you see what the conditions are here.

[El Hombre del Fuego]

Yes, and I am unsettled. I agree with you, most of the time, actually. Just my views on religion are seperate.

@ everyone: Try not to be brutal in attempting to disprove other people's ideas. Knock it off with the destructive reasoning, we don't need it. And would someone change the thread title? It's beginning to bug me.

[Count Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by USA1

Gah! NO VIOLENT RELIGIONS TODAY!

The last one was the Norse religion, long since dead. There is NO 'Religion of violence'. There is NO passage in the Koran or however you spell it, that states "The Jews, Christians, and Hindus all suck, so go kill them and then see me". There is NO central religious organization, ie the Vatican or it's equivalents, that tell the people to go kill everyone else, so why don't we all just be friggin happy and let the world collectively sleep in? Geez.


@ DarthMaul, I wasn't mad a YOU specifically, it probably seemed that way because the "Catholics in the Phillipenes' line is what finally made me think "This is just too much"

Before that, there was a ton of ignorance going on in the thread, and I tried to ignore it. If it seems unfair, I suppose I apologize.

Technically Shintoism as well.

The Vikings were not as bloodythirsty or sadistic as source [primarily Christian] portray them to be...

[DiGGeR]

What you gotta realise is- the Qur'an DOESNT promote violence. Many of those quotes are taken out of context and the entire meaning is changed. Its like the media, lets say someone says 'I dont feel as if I am promoting terrorism" or something and it is cut to 'I am promoting terrorism'. Or if they say 'It is ok to fight if its in self defense' and you change it to 'it is ok to fight' or whatever. Look at the whole picture- most of Muhammad (PBUH)'s wars were faught in self defence. Muslims are taught to forgive and forget, eg The Caliph Umar was originally a rival of the Prophet (PBUH) and Islam. You cannot just find an e-book of the Qur'an and quote randomly, that is biased and closed minded.

[-Logic-Is-A-Virtue-]

The Viking religion wasn't as violent as most think. It says taht brave warriors will go to Valhala but that doesn't nessisarily mean that they go to war just to get there. Being brave in the face of danger or in life is enough. They did conqueor most of Europe though. They pretty much had to because Norway couldn't support their growing populations.