Religion is not violent. The corrupt followers are.
People CAN know stuff about Islam without being Islamic. What you said, my dear friend, is very offensive and mean.
For instance, I know some stuff about Hindu from knowing a bunch of Hindu people (Anyone see a mean Hindu girl? I haven't, I think it's a conspiricy...) So, someone can learn about Islam without being Muslim.
And I see you are quick to blame the Christians for everything...so Goddamned typical. Just because your a friggin Muslim doesn't mean your a Goddamned do-gooder. I am VERY pissed off now, thank you very much. If your so tolerant and perfect and good, please explain to us, who are so unworthy of life, why you are being strangley hippocritical now!
It's unfair. It's rude. Whenever anything goes wrong nowadays, Christians get to be the scapegoat. Unless it's America, than we blame either Bush or Muslims, and the circle of scapegoatism goes around and around until we all hate each other. If your all so great, show me your worthy of any ounce of respect I can muster and make peace with the other side.
Getting hard to tell which side to be on here... on one side, I have a dog pile on a reletively peaceful religion that I know has respectable and kind people from meeting them, and on the other side, a stereotype against my own beliefs.
Oh, and about the 'they weren't forced to be Muslims' arguement, perhaps you are right, BUT if those same guys converted away from Islam, be a man and admit you'd say differently.
Honest, I am seriously * <=this close to resorting to calling everyone an 'infidel' except for DarthMaul, who I would call something that you all know is a cruel thing to call Muslims.
Ignorance is everywhere, but if it's bliss, why the Hell are we all so depressed?
Last edited by USA1; September 14th, 2004 at 09:55 PM.
Hitlers Nazi's were in all of Egypt. They didn't get supplies so they were didn't have many battles. They had to play it defencively and use the enemies supplies. They ingraved swasticas and other Nazi propaganda into the ancient ruins in order to make the 3rd Riech look like it was around for centuries. They used the Sphinx and the Great pyramid for target practice before they were short on supplies; when they though that they were the greatest thing ever. There are still pictures of the Giza platue intact (including primitive motion pictures). They didn't have cameras during Napoleons time.
Muslims fight between themselves. Different Clans kill each other, different sects kill each other, different Muslim races kill each other, different ethnicities kill each other; why do you think it is so hard for Muslims to kill people who are not Muslim, do not have a clan, is not even a sect, is a different race, and a different ethnicity? As I said before all of the three major world religions forced others to join there religion. It has also been said that "liberators" is the definition victors give themselves to make them look less bad. Remember whoever makes the definition has the power. Definition becomes reality even if it is false.
I have respect for the religion of Islam and its teaching but it is fact there is violence in every religion with the end result of spreading it (even as conqueors not liberators). Denying it is just showing how blind people can be. Every nation that has power seeks more power simple as that. If the nation is based on Islam all the nations they conqueor will be based on Islam as well.
ok, so we shouldve left the christians and jews of the middle east at that time, to be thrown to lions, and killed right? (yes, romans did throw christians to lions for entertainment)
Ow my dear boy... Muslims entered the scene of history in the 7th century AD. A lot had happened since Nero (54-68) had lighted up christians.
First: the Western Roman Empire had fallen. It was seperated from the Eastern Part in 395 AD, and Romulus Augustulus was removed from the throne in 476 by the barbarian Odoaker.
Second: THE ROMANS WERE CHRISTIANS. Constantijn began, with the declaration that christianity was the official state religion (313, after his victory in 312). After him, Theodosius, declared it to be THE only religion of the empire in 390 AD. So, according to you, the Christians were throwing fellow believers into the pit in the 7th century?
Third: the Romans didn't throw jews for the lions, except when they were christians. Though they dispised the nature of their religion (one God), and destroyed Jerusalem, they were not thrown to the beasts. In fact, after Massada (a jewish fortress, besieged and conquered by the Romans), one Flavius Josephus - one of the few survivors - became a favorite of the emperor, and went of to write several historical works. He didn't end up in the Colosseum, now did he?
"Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."
There have been survivors at Massada? I thought they all died in a collective suicide.
Most of the surviving zelots killed themselves before the Romans broke through, yes, but Josephus and a few of his friends eventually decided not to do it.
"Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."
My parents dont own a gun.
we dont own an assult rifel.
we dont have bombs.
they never taught me to kill.
they never told me to be violent.
they told me to stay ourt of violence and trouble.
oh and all you guys kept on saying the crusaders were back in time. well you know what? same as what you say the muslims did. it was even befor the crusades, so i guess this is out-of-picture like you all said.
USA1: i wasnt the one going around makign fun of christians or spreading lies or hating them. it is you and other people that started a thread aginst my religion(well not really you, buy you said i made yo ulook bad or something aginst your rleigion), Logic when did muslims kill each other? and did you forget the catholics killed christians too?
Conclusion:
I wasnt being Rude towards anyone religion.
It is other people that made this thread agint my religion Islam, and we are called Muslims ,not Islamists.
I try and try to tell you the truth about the muslims that live NOW. and you wont learn(Ged), you still believe that we all are violent, and you wont listen.
I didnt say anythign about Muslims being so peacful, and christians, or other religions being violent. most of what you people did was Make it look like muslims and Islam are the ONLY violent people and religion on earth.
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USA1 i dont know why are you made when you arent muslim. i dont know why you are made when there isnt a thread called "Christianity- Religion of Violence". no one here said anything about christianity hat would make you mad.
there were no 8 christians in egypt that were imprisoned, or had ot be executed, we live with christians normally. but here in america peopel think of you diffrently and wrongfully if you are a muslim. and you go to prison for no reason, with no trial for over 2 years.(*Guatnamo Bay)
(I am typing this from the English/Arabic Qur'an i have)
Surah 109. Al Kafirun
In the Name of allah the most Gracious and Merciful
1. O Ye the Reject Faith.
2. I worship not that Ye worship.
3. Nor will ye worship That which i worship
4. And i will not worship That which ye have been wont worship.
5. Nor will ye worship that which i worship.
6. To be your way, and to be mine.
even look in the qur'an you have. what this Verse means, is that you have your own religion, and i have my own(no one is being forced into islam here).
and to study/read the Qur'an you need to know arabic. because when the Qur'an is translated into a diffrent language, some of th emeanning is lost. most muslims that convert to islam, learn the language, and read it.
Any one here ever heard of the Singer Cats Stevens?
EDIT: i didnt kno whow to Merge posts, can an admin do it?
"I'm the 82nd Airborne. And this is as far as the bastards are going!"
Last edited by Biggus Dickus; September 16th, 2004 at 03:12 AM.
Reason: Double post merged
I would think that it would be pretty obvious by now that people do things in the name of their religion that are actually against their own religion (ie terrorism, murdering others not of their faith, or murdering people of their own faith).
In the Name of allah the most Gracious and Merciful
1. O Ye the Reject Faith.
2. I worship not that Ye worship.
3. Nor will ye worship That which i worship
4. And i will not worship That which ye have been wont worship.
5. Nor will ye worship that which i worship.
6. To be your way, and to be mine.
even look in the qur'an you have. what this Verse means, is that you have your own religion, and i have my own(no one is being forced into islam here).
But they are being prevented from leaving it. as the law goes I believe, 'If they leave Islam then they are to be asked to repent, failing that they are to be put to the sword' I forget the exact wording of the law but it was along those lines.
Leaving Islamic beliefs you can either repent or die.
Also let us not forget the taxes levied against people who did not follow the Qur’an: ‘Choose for yourself either Islam or the poll-tax or the sword.’
Besides its a contradiction I wont worship Islamic beliefs and yet it says 'And i will not worship That which ye have been wont worship.'
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Originally Posted by DarthMaul
I try and try to tell you the truth about the muslims that live NOW. and you wont learn(Ged), you still believe that we all are violent, and you wont listen.
Now to be fair here, you did ASK for some battles that Muslims have started. And I provided you with some.
A religion that promotes the execution of people, who decide to leave, is in no way shape or form peaceful.
Now look at the Qur’an, lets look at this book Muslims ARE meant to follow.
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Fight against those who have been given the scripture but believe not in Allah nor the last day, and who forbid not that which Allah has forbidden by His messenger, and who follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute willingly, being brought into submission
We know that even this verse cannot apply to a defensive war, and there are many others that do not apply to defensive war.
Thus we are left with but one chilling conclusion: The Qur’an promotes violence.
Mohamed even promoted violence; from his mouth came promises of plunder 'You see, God will soon make you inherit their land, their treasures and make their women’s beds for you'. It is mentioned in the Qur’an 'Allah promises you much booty that you will capture' (48:20)…
Orders for an expansionist war, promises of huge plunder, taxes against those who did not follow the belief, and followers kept in line by the threat of execution. Can you call that a peaceful religion?
And if I described it to you without telling you it was Islam, I wonder what you would have thought it was.
My parents dont own a gun.
we dont own an assult rifel.
we dont have bombs.
they never taught me to kill.
they never told me to be violent.
they told me to stay ourt of violence and trouble.
Dude, you need to look at the wider picture. Just because your family is non-violent, doesnt mean that all other Muslims are. Recent increase in violence have been definatly caused by Muslim extremists. And you say that you wasnt being rude to other religions- Not true you hipocrite. You insulted my religion in every post you made
I still dont hate you, because I am not like you. I dont respond with violence toward violence.
read all my posts, i only started talking aginst your religion in the lat 2 pages, because YOU were being rude towards me. and yes ALOT of muslims families ar enon violent EXCEPT those who dont follow islam's teaching wisely.(Terrorists, Bin Laden, Etc.) yes, i do i hate them because it led to you and ged to thinking that islam is violent, this is why i hate them, and Ged, Yes, there were Offensive battles. so? that was centuries ago and it dosent count.
Vladtemplar, you speak of violence when you are actually a solider, so this goes aginst you.
Ged, every one is forced to pay taxes. and Muslims pay an extar thing you ofcourse never heard of. it is called Zaka. the money you stored in a bank for over a year EVERY year you have to take out 2.5% of it and pay it to the poor. and Muslims, love thir religion so much, that no one ever leaves it(maybe 10-100 a year or even less), no one is forced in or out, r threatened in or out. an american girl just came to the mosque a couple of months ago and converted to islam. a Muslim turned Athiest, and no one killed him, and he came back to islam, a couple of months after.
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The Qur’an promotes violence.
Ok...
Vladtemplar, you call me a hypocrate when i wasnt the one who made a thread attacking YOUR religion.
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