Islam- Religion of violence

[R4G3R]

mohammed both taught and practiced violence from the begining.....islam was spread with the sword

[SpiderGoat]

Originally Posted by -Logic-Is-A-Virtue-

The Library of Alexandria was burned centuries ago. It was not Napoleon. Hitler is the one that attacked the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid not Napoleon. Just to put your view of history straight.

Did he say Napoleon did that? And it's Caesar who burned the Library the first time .

Edit, woops, I thought you were taking about Ged, my mistake.

[-DarthMaul-]

they werent 'forced' into being muslims, they wantyed to convert to the religion of there liberators. and it WAS napoleon that did this, hitler never was in egypt, the only battle in egypt was El alamien, which was in the northwest part of wgypt, around Marsa Matrouh, Rager, you woldnt know any thing about islam, and no one here does, all you people do is post things from the Qur'an as 'proof' for violence, Yes we are violent when we are attacked and we will be violent when we are forced to fight back.

Caesar DID burn it, but then napoleon did it again.

im going ot have to say NO again, we did not murder millions, we liberated them from Romans, and persians, and mongolians, and again, we did not force them to join islam. it is catholics that slaughter muslim sin pphilipines, it is christians that slaughtered musims in Bosnia. (btw: this thread will never stop, and this will go on forever.

oh and i dont think R4AG3R is 49 years old , i never seen an adult talk so ignorantly like that.

EDIT: forgot to add that you guys need to read history befor you start running your mouths off like that. read from a reliable book or site, dont go to some site that is www.muslimsareviolent.com and tell this is where you go the Info. and explain to me why we still have Christians and Jews in arab countries? and why are there still alot of people ocnverting to the religion of violence, they arent forced with a sowrd are they?

[SpiderGoat]

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

im going ot have to say NO again, we did not murder millions, we liberated them from Romans

Do note that the term 'liberate' is very subjective. The Macedonians 'liberated' them from the Egyptian farao's, the Romans 'liberated' them from Ptolemaeus... Often, one surpressor takes the place of the old one in the history of man. Orwell has some interesting thoughts about this in '1984'.

[-DarthMaul-]

ok, so we shouldve left the christians and jews of the middle east at that time, to be thrown to lions, and killed right? (yes, romans did throw christians to lions for entertainment), if so, why does america have to liberate iraqies? why not leave them die?

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

BTW: it took you forever to quote all those is it an Online book? or did you type this up from another book? what book is it called?

I think most of the history is from a book called "The Rightly Guided Caliphs" by Dr. Abu Zayd Shalabi.

Edit: 'ok, so we shouldve left the christians and jews of the middle east at that time, to be thrown to lions, and killed right? (yes, romans did throw christians to lions for entertainment), if so, why does america have to liberate iraqies? why not leave them die?'

Read all of the quotes. These were not wars of liberation (And as SpiderGoat says liberation is very subjective).

Edit 2: 'and explain to me why we still have Christians and Jews in arab countries? and why are there still alot of people ocnverting to the religion of violence, they arent forced with a sword are they?'

Originally Posted by answering-islam.org.uk

In January of 1986, the Egyptian authorities arrested eight people (males and females) whose ages ranged from 20-30 years. The charge was that they had embraced Christianity several years before. Eight months later, they were released from jail after their story was publicized in many of the Western newspapers and magazines. What is important to us here is that while the eight Christians were in prison, a Muslim leader wrote to the government demanding that they execute them—not just keep them under arrest. On the second of July 1986, "The Islamic Light" newspaper which is published by the Ahrar party (the freemen party), said in an article titled, "Point of Absurdity":

"Two things we find absurd. The first one is that the Egyptian church is demanding their immediate release and has contacted the International Amnesty Committee to convey its indignation for the imprisonment of eight people because of their apostasy from Islam. The second thing which we call absurdity is that the Egyptian government was content to arrest them only. It was supposed to execute Islamic law upon them; namely, death if they do not repent. The government must make this clear to all the world and be proud of this law because it is God's verdict. "

Edit 3: I would also like to thank that site for posting large sections of Dr. Abu Zayd Shalabi's book so I didn’t have to type it up from my copy. Thanks guys, you saved me a lot of typing

[Dreadnought[DK]]

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

ROMANS RULED NORTH AFRIKA AND OTHER PARTS AROUND IT! AND THEY USED TO SLAUGHTER CHRISTIANS AND JEWS. PERSIANS ALSO HAD A GREAT EMPIRE AND THEY ALSO SLAYED CHRISTIANS OR JEWS! and we sieged those cities/countries and liberated them

- the last roman emperor dies in 565 CE
- the Prophet is born in 571 CE
...

[-DarthMaul-]

oh no, i am not sure when the last emperor died, but There was a Hercules(not the demi-god).

In January of 1986, the Egyptian authorities arrested eight people (males and females) whose ages ranged from 20-30 years. The charge was that they had embraced Christianity several years before. Eight months later, they were released from jail after their story was publicized in many of the Western newspapers and magazines. What is important to us here is that while the eight Christians were in prison, a Muslim leader wrote to the government demanding that they execute them—not just keep them under arrest. On the second of July 1986, "The Islamic Light" newspaper which is published by the Ahrar party (the freemen party), said in an article titled, "Point of Absurdity":

"Two things we find absurd. The first one is that the Egyptian church is demanding their immediate release and has contacted the International Amnesty Committee to convey its indignation for the imprisonment of eight people because of their apostasy from Islam. The second thing which we call absurdity is that the Egyptian government was content to arrest them only. It was supposed to execute Islamic law upon them; namely, death if they do not repent. The government must make this clear to all the world and be proud of this law because it is God's verdict. "

this is all bull-crap, there are around 18 million christians in egypt, i got to go so i will explain later, dont answer this yet...

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

This is all bull-crap, there are around 18 million Christians in Egypt, I got to go so I will explain later, don’t answer this yet...

Before you answer, (and feel free to correct me if this isn’t what you mean.)
But, I take it you are referring to them having once been followers of Islam and then having converted to Christianity? Sorry, doesn’t make any difference, it was still wrong.
(You do notice it is mentioned in the quote why their execution was demanded 'because of their apostasy from Islam')

[DiGGeR]

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

they werent 'forced' into being muslims, they wantyed to convert to the religion of there liberators. and it WAS napoleon that did this, hitler never was in egypt, the only battle in egypt was El alamien, which was in the northwest part of wgypt, around Marsa Matrouh, Rager, you woldnt know any thing about islam, and no one here does, all you people do is post things from the Qur'an as 'proof' for violence, Yes we are violent when we are attacked and we will be violent when we are forced to fight back.

Caesar DID burn it, but then napoleon did it again.

im going ot have to say NO again, we did not murder millions, we liberated them from Romans, and persians, and mongolians, and again, we did not force them to join islam. it is catholics that slaughter muslim sin pphilipines, it is christians that slaughtered musims in Bosnia. (btw: this thread will never stop, and this will go on forever.

oh and i dont think R4AG3R is 49 years old , i never seen an adult talk so ignorantly like that.

EDIT: forgot to add that you guys need to read history befor you start running your mouths off like that. read from a reliable book or site, dont go to some site that is www.muslimsareviolent.com and tell this is where you go the Info. and explain to me why we still have Christians and Jews in arab countries? and why are there still alot of people ocnverting to the religion of violence, they arent forced with a sowrd are they?

" you woldnt know any thing about islam, and no one here does"- in particular. Islam teaches to be humble and open minded- but 'you wouldnt know anything about that' would you.