Islam- Religion of violence

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

-Name one War STARTED by MUSLIMS.

Very well. Expansionist wars have been made against the following countries.
Syria, Jordan, Palestine (Jerusalem), Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Iran, all of North Africa, some parts of India and China, and later Spain.

[DiGGeR]

See, religion isnt a topic for the closed minded. Anyone who says 'they're wrong' and think that its 100% true cant talk about it.

1) Jediism is not a religion, its a little ficticious skill or whatever. Star Wars man, 70's movies.

2) We are muslims, dont say that we worship a God that Doesnt exist- we beleive in Allah/God and we worship him, how do you know it isnt true? Think of science, they have theories, hypothesises that cannot be prooved- religion has certainties where proof lies everywhere. Eg. Miracles- The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) Was illiterate, how would he ever be able to write the unfalliable and unchallenged ultimate book, the Qur'an?

Many of us have different beleifs which we are entitled to, it is wrong to infringe upon anyone's or insult and disregard anyones.

[-DarthMaul-]

Originally Posted by Ged

Very well. Expansionist wars have been made against the following countries.
Syria, Jordan, Palestine (Jerusalem), Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Iran, all of North Africa, some parts of India and China, and later Spain.

you need to name them, not name random countries. muslims are fighting themselves? (middle east countries), oh indians also killed muslims, and Islam went into Asia by trade! no war!

EDIT: ok i see what you mean now Ged, your veiweing the page so i will fix what i was going ot now...

by expansionist wars. you mean the ones where Muslims went to egypt syria, arab countries, ans spain to LIBERATE them from Persians, and Romans? Back then romans did kill christians and muslims liberated and saved them.

and when muslims(egypt), won the last battle aginst the Evil Gengis Khan and his Tartar forces, Almost all of his soliders turned muslim, and he brothers turned muslims, Im not sure about gengis khan himself, but that is also one of thje way Islam went in asia.

[Force Recon]

I am afraid at the fact that so many people are losing their faith in their religions(Christians,Hindus,ewtc.).If Allah ,Mohammed ,and even Jesus or Moses were just normal human beings then from where did the Quran or the Bible came?They didn't come outta nowhere .I don't know WTF is Jediisim.Those who speak of them are lunatics.I think Expansionist wars were also started by Christians.Muslims in Bangladesh ask each other questions(mainly rich people)is there any Allah?Science came from religion.Muslim scientists of the ancient time studided living creatures etc.They found out the parts inside a cow.They learned how to navigate during sea voyages.Etc,etc.you should read a translated version of the Quran.Then you will know.

FACT:Allah said that if we follow His simple rules we go to heaven and get whatever we want.(Even beautiful girls)

[-DarthMaul-]

Originally Posted by rahman

FACT:Allah said that if we follow His simple rules we go to heaven and get whatever we want.(Even beautiful girls)

people will take this is muslims loving to have sex or soemthing.
it is not part of our religion to have sex as a habbit in our lives. we dont have OPEN sex in our countries that is why muslim countries dont have a high AIDS percentage.

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

you need to name them, not name random countries. muslims are fighting themselves? (middle east countries), oh indians also killed muslims, and Islam went into Asia by trade! no war!

EDIT: ok i see what you mean now Ged, your veiweing the page so i will fix what i was going ot now...

by expansionist wars. you mean the ones where Muslims went to egypt syria, arab countries, ans spain to LIBERATE them from Persians, and Romans? Back then romans did kill christians and muslims liberated and saved them.

and when muslims(egypt), won the last battle aginst the Evil Gengis Khan and his Tartar forces, Almost all of his soliders turned muslim, and he brothers turned muslims, Im not sure about gengis khan himself, but that is also one of thje way Islam went in asia.

Here’s some of what I was referring to

The Invasion of Damascus

Abu ’Ubayda marched towards Damascus and besieged it for seventy nights. He cut off all supplies while its inhabitants were pleading for help and assistance. Then Khalid attacked the city and massacred thousands of people. (They were forced) to ask for a peace treaty. Abu ’Ubayda turned over the rule of Damascus to Yazid and ordered him to invade the neighboring (cities). He attacked Sidon, Beirut, and others.

The Attack on Jerusalem

The attack of ’Umru Ibn al-’as on Jerusalem. He besieged it for four months. Then its Christian inhabitants agreed to pay the poll-tax and to surrender to ’Umar Ibn al-Khattab, the caliph. ’Umar made the trip to Jerusalem and laid the foundation of the mosque. With that, the conquest of Syria was accomplished, but as the pestilence (plague) raged, many of the high-ranking generals of the Islamic army died, among them Abu Ubayda, Yazid and Sharahbil.

The Invasion of Wealthy Egypt

Among the justifications which ’Umru Ibn al-’As presented to ’Umar which convinced him to allow ’Umru to attack Egypt were the following:

"Egypt’s abundance and yields are plentiful. The conquest of Egypt would gain for the Muslims a foothold in Syria and make it easier for them to invade Africa to spread Islam."

It is important to mark ’Umru’s statement that "Egypt’s abundance and yields are plentiful." Eventually Egypt and Africa were both conquered.

The professor of civilization at the Azhar relates how ’Umru besieged the Fortress of Babylon (south of ancient Egypt) for a full month, and that he said to the messengers of the Muqawqis, the governor of Egypt,

"There is nothing between us and you except three things:

(1) Embrace Islam, become our brethren and you will have what we have and you will be subjected to what we are subjected (in this case they would pay alms to the treasury of the state).

(2) If you refuse that, you are obligated to pay tribute with humiliation.

(3) War.

"The Muqawqis attempted to offer them something different, but they rejected it. At last, after a fight, he accepted the second condition, namely to pay tribute and to be subjugated to Islamic rule. The Muslims entered Egypt.

The Conquest of Alexandria and the library
During the conquest of Alexandria.
Many chroniclers have mentioned that ’Umar Ibn al-Khattab ordered ’Umru to burn it entirely. (The famous library of Alexandria.)

This one (the burning of the library) I see as one of the greatest crimes ever committed. Who knows what knowledge was lost to us?

The Invasion of Tripoli

After the conquest and the occupation of Egypt, ’Umru wanted to secure this conquest from the west by conquering Tripoli of Libya, and from the south by seizing Ethiopia. Thus at the close of the year 21 H. as Ibn Khaldun and Yaqut al-Kindi remarked (that is in the first half of the year 643 A.D. as Ibn al Athir and other chroniclers said), ’Umru marched on with his horsemen towards Tripoli.
’Umru besieged Tripoli for a month. It was a well-fortified city. At last a group of Muslims infiltrated the city and fought some of the Byzantines who soon fled. ’Umar entered the city and captured all that was in it, then he assailed the city of Sabra without warning and conquered it by force. He seized all that could be seized from it. Then he sent his army to Ethiopia, but he failed to enter it and suffered great losses. The skirmishes continued until a peace treaty was signed during the time of ’Uthman Ibn ’Affan.

The Invasion of Persia

’Umar Ibn al-Khattab sent Sa’d Ibn Abi Waqqas to invade Persia. He camped in al-Qaddisia near the river Euphrates.

Sa’d sent some of his followers (among them the Mu’man Ibn Maqrin to Yazdagird, one of the Persian generals) who asked him, ‘What enticed you and brought you to invade us?’ (Ibn Maqrin) said to him, ‘Choose for yourself either Islam or the poll-tax or the sword.’ The Persian general became very angry and said to him, ‘Had it not been (the custom that messengers should not be killed), I would have killed you. Go; you have nothing to do with me.’

Rustan, the Persian general, said to one of Sa’d’s messengers, ‘You were poor and we used to provide you with plenty of food. Why do you invade us now?'

The question which the Persian general Sa’d asked was a logical one, "Why do you attack us? Did we mistreat you?" The answer was also very clear, "You have three options!"

Sa’d seized (after the battle of Qadisiyya) all that was in the treasury of Khusro of money and treasure. It was so plentiful that each Arab horseman received 12,000 dirham.

[DiGGeR]

By the way- pardon my error, i was really tired- i meant the prophet (PBUH)'s wife Khadija.

[-DarthMaul-]

allright i didnt read all that stuff ebcause it was too much. i read the battle names. AGAIN, ROMANS RULED NORTH AFRIKA AND OTHER PARTS AROUND IT! AND THEY USED TO SLAUGHTER CHRISTIANS AND JEWS. PERSIANS ALSO HAD A GREAT EMPIRE AND THEY ALSO SLAYED CHRISTIANS OR JEWS! and we sieged those cities/countries and liberated them, as much information as you are going to give about muslims being fanatical, there is something wrong, even the Libraray of alexandria, NAPOLEON, yes him the short stupid french general burned it, and he attacked The Sphinx and broke his nose, and he also attacked the Great Pyramid(big one) and destroyed the top, the pig, was lucky that he didnt finish off the whole thing.

Conclusion: Napolean, burned the great library of alexander.
ROME and PERSIA and MONGOLS ruled alot of parts of the world and did bad actions aginst the inhabitants of the countries(jerusalim, killing christians and jews, etc)

BTW: it took you forever to quote all those is it an Online book? or did you type this up from another book? what book is it called?

[Force Recon]

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

people will take this is muslims loving to have sex or soemthing.
it is not part of our religion to have sex as a habbit in our lives. we dont have OPEN sex in our countries that is why muslim countries dont have a high AIDS percentage.

I was uh "preaching".You are correct sorry made a mistake.

[-Logic-Is-A-Virtue-]

The Library of Alexandria was burned centuries ago. It was not Napoleon. Hitler is the one that attacked the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid not Napoleon. Just to put your view of history straight.

You don't liberate countries by murdering millions of people and force them to join Islam. That is like the United States going to Iraq and saying they are now christian. Don't say that innocent millions weren't killed. All three major religions killed millions in order to spread there religion, even Muslims. They also have peaceful ways of doing it (missionaries) but back in the days warfare and force was the perfered choice.