'fight the unbelievers who are near to you, and let them find in you a harshness'
how many times am i going to have to tell you, unbelievers and muslims dont fight anymore? and since you know so much about islam you propably know that these battle verses were bestowed upon mohamed in the midest of battles. you think God/Allah just sent down the qur'an in one piece and said do every thing that is said here? look at your guys, if a saint tells you something you have to do it, but if you ask an imam something, its up to you to believe him or not. Ged im just tired of you preaching verses from the Qur'an that were about OLD BATTLES and saying that we still do this ...
Christians are the only ones using BRUTAL force right now in the world, not muslims, and you skipped some questions.......
(im betting ged is searching the net for more verses and then preaching again)
"I'm the 82nd Airborne. And this is as far as the bastards are going!"
Last edited by DarthMaul; September 13th, 2004 at 06:57 AM.
Because, *sigh*
I've said this once before
I DONT BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE. I WILL NEVER BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE. Why? Because I have judged it AND FOUND GOD AS DEPICTED THEREIN TO BE A VIOLENT EVIL GOD. There are verses in the bible that support evil and I will never follow a god that supports suffering and hatred. (Besides I've my own belief so what would be the point?)
Happy?
I consider Islam and the bible in the same boat; with luck it will sink.
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and since you know so much about islam you propably know that these battle verses were bestowed upon mohamed in the midest of battles.
*Ahem*
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"I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders."
'to ensure that no one but God is worshipped'
Even in the midst’s of battle this is unreasonable.
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You think God/Allah just sent down the qur'an in one piece and said do every thing that is said here? look at your guys, if a saint tells you something you have to do it.
Err my guys? (Besides aren’t Christian saints meant to be dead before they can be called saints? Not really relevant as I don’t follow Christianity, but still.)
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Christians are the only ones using BRUTAL force right now in the world, not muslims, and you skipped some questions.......
If anything it would be more accurate to say atheists are the ones committing violence and as you can’t lump all atheists together it then becomes people are committing violence.
Now if all atheists had something like the bible then it could be argued.
Edit: '(im betting ged is searching the net for more verses and then preaching again)'
Ged doesnt have to search the net. Ged has a copy of the Qu'Ran right here. *Points at desk*
oh so you dont follow a religion. i didnt mean saints i forgot wha they call them. christian church leaders.
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'to ensure that no one but God is worshipped'
UNBELIEVERS. if they wanted to start a war, then we ended it. (jews nd christians and muslims pray to god, allah is the word in arabic, so arab christians pray to allah)
BTW: why do you have it? just to insure that islam really is violent?
"I'm the 82nd Airborne. And this is as far as the bastards are going!"
Last edited by DarthMaul; September 13th, 2004 at 07:13 AM.
UNBELIEVERS. if they wanted to start a war, then we ended it. (jews and christians and muslims pray to god, allah is the word in arabic, so arab christians pray to allah)
Still, you've got to admit that 'to ensure that no one but God is worshipped' is not a good reason to justify a war.
Whether they attacked first or not, this, is being stated as the reason. Not self defence, not justifiable, (as I consider self defence,) but instead 'to ensure that no one but God is worshipped'.
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BTW: why do you have it? just to insure that islam really is violent?
*shrug* Not really, I just like learning about people's beliefs.
Most people think that USA attacked Iraq to get control of Middle-east and get oil resources and Global war On terrorism is a joke in Bangladesh.Ofcourse everyone I asked couldn't give me the list of weapons found in Iraq.
I also ask a similar question.If Islam is a violent religion how come there are converts from other religions to Islam?One of my aunts was a Philipino Christian and now converted herself to a Muslim.I am also tired at the fact that whenever there's a movie of an airplane being hijacked the hijackers has to be Muslims.This happened before September 11,2001.
And also calling Muslims "Towel -Heads "is a rude thing.
And my reply to this is that if the Christians want the can towel their asses.
For a Muslim in a war you are allowed to kill for your religion or country.But i am not standing up for Osama or Saddam.I hate killing innocent people.
Last edited by Force Recon; September 13th, 2004 at 11:51 AM.
Ok okay.I have forum friends who support strongly for Bush ,anti-Osama and anti-Saddam.
I am okay with them because they didn't say anything about Islam being a violent religion.Secondly I have a grudge on Osama.He has hampered my chances to go to USA where many of my relatives live and due to him Muslims receive leers from other religions.
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