Islam- Religion of violence

[El Hombre del Fuego]

No, actually he did not try to cover up. I'm searching for a link now.

The Pope has no direct military power. The Swiss guards are *gasp* from Switzerland :nod: They are the sworn guardians of Vatican City, not an offensive force.

EDIT: Here's John Paul the Second, became Pope right after WW2.

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mis...handnazis.html General info about the subject

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mis...ca_hitler.html Here's one from the same guy that wrote the last one about Hitler's religious beliefs. I find it interesting.

[Crash22]

I agree. Christians behind Crusades, slaughter of innocents in Africa, Asia, South America etc. The thing wrong with Christians is that they believe so blindly that every other religion promotes death and destruction because they are too stuck up their own asses to see past the end of their noses. Islam is a peaceful religion. It promotes understanding between all men and has done since before Christendom first came into contact with them. What do they get in return? Well more than 1,000,000 dead during a Crusades and one massive pile of dead bodies in the so called Holy Lands. Why did they bother trying to reason with the Christian butchers?


You are missing the point my friend !!!!

It is not Islam as a religion that people ( Christians ) dissagre with at all ! It is what is done apparently in the name of Islam that is fround apon.

Islam is as said a friendly peaceful regligion. However dont you think that Islam as a whole should catagorically dissaciosiate themselves with these extreamists who apparently are acting on the peoples wishes / behalves ??

As a Christian myself also as an Englishman I was devistated to see what happened on Sept 11th and what is happening all round the globe today apparently in the name of Islam. Where does this all end ? How many more inncocent people need to die ??

[Force Recon]

Thank you!You told what I tried to tell.The September 11 Attack has also hampered my chances to become an engineer or something or for studing or anything to go to the USA.So I am not a Fan Of Osama Bin Laden.

[Crash22]

Thank you!You told what I tried to tell.The September 11 Attack has also hampered my chances to become an engineer or something or for studing or anything to go to the USA.So I am not a Fan Of Osama Bin Laden.

Sept 11th changed the world ! Unfortunatly people tend to tarr everyone with the same brush !

People can not hide behind a sterotype of Islam. Individuals have to prove to the world what they are and what they are all about ! Make people stand up and pay attention !! Not by blowing things up or hurting people but by working hard showing comitment. Trust and respect should be earnt by an individual not by his race or religion people should be free to worship as they feel fit, barriers should not be placed by anyone at all ! No one has the right to do so !

[DavetheFo]

Unfortunatly, in todays society, actions speak louder than words.

A simple speach condeming islamic terrorist by an Islamic leader will have little impact when compared to a suicide bombing.

Many people are not able to see bast the bad that happens and realise what the good is.

[AzH]

Originally Posted by Crash22

Sept 11th changed the world ! Unfortunatly people tend to tarr everyone with the same brush !

People can not hide behind a sterotype of Islam. Individuals have to prove to the world what they are and what they are all about ! Make people stand up and pay attention !! Not by blowing things up or hurting people but by working hard showing comitment. Trust and respect should be earnt by an individual not by his race or religion people should be free to worship as they feel fit, barriers should not be placed by anyone at all ! No one has the right to do so !

idealist... working hard and being committed isn't going to change shit. if you want to make a change you have to take action, not sit around like a pussy and hope that it happens. the americans have their claws in the Middle East and won't let go. this is why people like Osama came forward to fight for their people for their way of life. this corporate imperialism is what causes these people to fight back. the mass media blames Islam because it is too fucking stupid, or assumes it's users/readers are too fucking stupid to understand cause and consequesnce.

rather than:

we are trying to assimilate this culture, and get them to turn over control of their resources to us and they don't like it so they fight it.

we get:

they are Islamic. Islam is bad.

it's pathetic.

[AzH]

nothing sensible to add, Crash22?

[Crash22]

idealist... working hard and being committed isn't going to change shit. if you want to make a change you have to take action, not sit around like a pussy and hope that it happens. the americans have their claws in the Middle East and won't let go. this is why people like Osama came forward to fight for their people for their way of life. this corporate imperialism is what causes these people to fight back. the mass media blames Islam because it is too fucking stupid, or assumes it's users/readers are too fucking stupid to understand cause and consequesnce.

rather than:

we are trying to assimilate this culture, and get them to turn over control of their resources to us and they don't like it so they fight it.

we get:

they are Islamic. Islam is bad.

it's pathetic.


Again Taken out of context !!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I was saying as a person it is better to be able to say from a personal point of view I got here by myself !! my own hard work,my own honesty and commitmet etc rather that some lunatic doing things in my name without any consultaion !!

As for the Middle East do you think that some bearded mother fucker who lives in a cave can force America out ????? If you do you are stupid my friend !!! This Idiot has made the President of the US of A, pay more attention to the middle east instead of forcing him out. American Forign policy is now more focused in that area of the globe than ever before.

All that bollocks about American corporate imperialism made Ossama fight back !! Its bollocks! Ossama has made multi million dollers out of American corporate imperialism hence his and his families involvements with american Oil companies so if this is as said does this not make him nothing but a Hypocrite who has been lining his own pockets !!!!

No one has ever talked about assimilating Islam as a culture this maybe your warped mind bud however im sure the Islamic population of Afganistan and Iraq have more culure and freedoms that before this all took place!!

[-DarthMaul-]

We made Osama, so i dont know what bush, and rumsfeld are sad for.

ok here are 3 reasons why alot of muslims hate america. notice i said muslims.

1- Our Presence In Saudi Arabia, and the Middl east.
2- The killings of almost 1 million iraies in a single crusade.
3- ALWAYS backing up Israel, in what it has done, and what it will do.

-Why do we (america) have to lose our allies in europe because of Israel?

-Why is the "religion of violence" the second largest and fastest/most growing religion in the world?(notice i said religion of violence sarcastically)

Other questions that need answers:

Why cant palastinians have freedom?
why cant chechnya gets its freedom?
why can america get freedom?
why can scotland, and ireland get freedom?
why does russia get to keep chechnya, and Iraq cant keep Kuwait? yes, kuwait was part of iraq but england seperated too much arab countries.

[AzH]

Again Taken out of context !!!!!!!!!!!!!

what was taken out of context? please explain.

What I was saying as a person it is better to be able to say from a personal point of view I got here by myself !! my own hard work,my own honesty and commitmet etc rather that some lunatic doing things in my name without any consultaion !!

and i'm not disagreeing with you. it is better, but difficult when faced with a nation such as the US which has the guns, funds and will to fuck you over if you don't do as your told.

As for the Middle East do you think that some bearded mother fucker who lives in a cave can force America out ????? If you do you are stupid my friend !!! This Idiot has made the President of the US of A, pay more attention to the middle east instead of forcing him out. American Forign policy is now more focused in that area of the globe than ever before.

ugh. whatever.... hey, do you think soome 'gook' (excuse my language) living in a mud hut in Vietnam can force America out? oh, wait...

as long as America persists in the occupation and control of Iraq & the Middle East, there will always be people who will fight against it. you think this is a military issue. try thinking outside of the box. this is a financial, monetary control of a nation. control the government, control the nation, control the resources, control the exports.

All that bollocks about American corporate imperialism made Ossama fight back !! Its bollocks! Ossama has made multi million dollers out of American corporate imperialism hence his and his families involvements with american Oil companies so if this is as said does this not make him nothing but a Hypocrite who has been lining his own pockets !!!!

um... i think you'll find that the US paid Osama to fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan. then, as soon as he didn;t suit their needs or image anymore they dumped him. Osama is a product of American intervention in a region they have no right being involved in. none at all. it's fitting that their lapdog decided to bite the hand that fed it for so long. if you fund & train a terrorist organisation, don't be suprised when that organisation turns against you.

the US is to blame for Osama in ways you haven't the slightest chance of comprehending.

No one has ever talked about assimilating Islam as a culture this maybe your warped mind bud however im sure the Islamic population of Afganistan and Iraq have more culure and freedoms that before this all took place!!

you're right. nobody has and neither have i. i was referring to the assimilation and forced democracy of Iraq, not a religion of over a billion people. a religion has no boundaries, no resources. you cannot control it. you can, however, through force of arms, control a nation...