Islam- Religion of violence

[-DarthMaul-]

Originally Posted by NiteStryker

Islam does preach violence tho...the Koran, so I have heard, promotes very unethical and inhumane treatment of girls.

(i know this is a couple of days old but i just noticed it.)
Explain. i already told ged what that vers meant and he sadly dosent understand. look at americans(not religiously motivated) but they are the ones getting drunk, beating up thier wives/girl friends and going to prison. they are the ones rapping women. (i heard that every 60 seconds a woman is rapped/beaten in the united states), my dad never beat my mom, or sisters.

[Tekk9]

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

(i know this is a couple of days old but i just noticed it.)
Explain. i already told ged what that vers meant and he sadly dosent understand. look at americans(not religiously motivated) but they are the ones getting drunk, beating up thier wives/girl friends and going to prison. they are the ones rapping women. (i heard that every 60 seconds a woman is rapped/beaten in the united states), my dad never beat my mom, or sisters.

I ripped this from another site. It basically speaks of the importance of some women including the wife of their prophet. Read this.....

He married Khadija bint khawilad at age 40, Sauda Bint Zama atage 50, Hafsa Bint Umar bin Khattab at age 22, etc.

Lets analyse...

1. The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:

a. To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).

b. To educate and train Aisha for the purposes of Islam.

c. To utilise her capabilities for the sake of Islam.

2. Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahy (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from the Prophet. "He said, 'I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that..." Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p. 285.

3. Aisha (r.a.) was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

4. In her youth, already known for her striking beauty and her formidable memory, she came under the loving care and attention of the Prophet himself. As his wife and close companion she acquired from him knowledge and insight such as no woman has ever acquired.

Aisha lived on almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the two most important sources of God's guidance, the Qur'an and the Sunnah of His Prophet. Aisha (r.a.) was one of the three wives (the other two being Hafsa (r.a.) and Umm Salama (r.a.) who memorised the Revelation. Like Hafsa (r.a.), she had her own script of the Qur'an written after the Prophet had died.

So far as the Hadith or sayings of the Prophet is concerned, Aisha (r.a.) is one of four persons (the others being Abu Hurayra, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Anas ibn Malik) who transmitted more than two thousand sayings. From her, 2210 Hadith have come, out of which 174 Hadith are commonly agreed upon by both Bukhari and Muslim.

Many of her transmissions pertain to some of the most intimate aspects of personal behaviour which only someone in Aisha's position could have learnt. What is most important is that her knowledge of Hadith was passed on in written form by at least three persons including her nephew Urwah who became one of the greatest scholars among the generation after the Companions.

It is the claim of the Scholars of Islam that without her, half of the Ilm-I-Hadith [knowledge, understanding of the Hadith (and Islam)] would have perished.

5. Many of the learned companions of the Prophet and their followers benefited from Aishah's knowledge. Abu Musa al-Ash'ari once said:

"If we companions of the Messenger of God had any difficulty on a matter, we asked Aisha about it."

"Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari came to Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to her, "The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring before you has distressed me." She said, "What is that? You did not ask your mother about it, so ask me." He said, "A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not ejaculate. "She said, "When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part ghusl is obligatory." Abu Musa added, "I shall never ask anyone about this after you."

Al-Muwatta of Imam Malik, Hadith 2.75.

Arwa Bin Zubair says,

"I did not find anyone more proficient [than Aisha (r.a.)] in the knowledge of the Holy Qur'an, the Commandments of Halal (lawful) and Haram (prohibited), Ilmul-Ansab and Arabic poetry. That is why, even senior companions of the Prophet used to consult Aisha (r.a.) in resolving intricate issued".

Ibn Qayyim and Ibn Sa'ad, Jala-ul-Afham, vol. 2, p. 26.

Abu Musa al-Ash'ari says:

"Never had we (the companions) had any difficulty for the solution of which we approached Aisha and did not get some useful information from her".

Sirat-I-Aisha, on the authority of Trimidhi, p. 163.

6. As a teacher she had a clear and persuasive manner of speech and her power of oratory has been described in superlative terms by al-Ahnaf who said: "I have heard speeches of Abu Bakr and Umar, Uthman and Ali and the Khulafa up to this day, but I have not heard speech more persuasive and more beautiful from the mouth of any person than from the mouth of Aisha."

The Prophet said,

"The superiority of 'Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the level of perfection, but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of Pharaoh."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, Narrated by Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari Hadith 4.643.

Musa Ibn Talha (r.a.) says,

"I did not see anyone more eloquent than Aisha (r.a.)"

Mustadrak of Hakim, vol.4, p.11.

7. Men and women came from far and wide to benefit from her knowledge.

Aisha's great interest in the study of the Qur'an is understandable. She was an eye-witness to a number of revelations and had therefore a clear idea of the circumstances in which they were revealed. It was on her bed alone (and no other consort's) that the Prophet received Wahy (Divine Revelations) several times. This helped her in interpreting the verses.

8. At the time of the Prophet's death, the Prophet's head was on her lap. It was in her quarters that the Prophet was buried.


The life of Aisha (R) is a proof that a woman can be far more learned than men and that she can be the teacher of scholars and experts. Her life is also a proof that a woman can exert influence over men and women and provide them with inspiration and leadership. Aisha (R) is a continuing inspiration and role model to today's youth who are diligently searching for an example amongst the pop stars, movie actresses and sports stars. May the memory of her's live forever in the heart of the Muslim Ummah and may Allah grant her the highest abode in Paradise...Ameen.

[El Hombre del Fuego]

Hmmm....

The recent incident in Chechnya (I can't spell Russian/Middle Eastern names, just ask my Indian friends, :lol: ) was in response to the Russian government. The attackers just happened to be Muslim. You can't use people like them to stereotype a whole religion.

In Iraq, they're people defending their homes using bad methods. Elsewhere, the terrorists are fighting for their own greedy desires, and using religion to gain recruits.

If you want to stereotype the Islamic religion, at least have the respect to choose a half good person, ie Saladin.


EDIT: Nice info, Tekk. Thanks for posting

[-DarthMaul-]

how was he half good? he was a great man. he didnt kill richard the lionheart, and he sent his own doctors to help richard. you cant say thats half good.

[-Logic-Is-A-Virtue-]

He had 100s of wives and 100s of Concubines.

He was also at the other end of the crusades so of course Christians (from that time) are told stories of how bad he was (true or not).

[El Hombre del Fuego]

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

how was he half good? he was a great man. he didnt kill richard the lionheart, and he sent his own doctors to help richard. you cant say thats half good.

Oh, dear... You misunderstood me. I meant at LEAST half-good. He was a great man, and a great leader. Indeed, he was the Rommel of his day.

[-DarthMaul-]

Originally Posted by USA1

Oh, dear... You misunderstood me. I meant at LEAST half-good. He was a great man, and a great leader. Indeed, he was the Rommel of his day.

ok, lol (there was a thread exactly like this a long time ago)

[Tekk9]

Originally Posted by -Logic-Is-A-Virtue-

He had 100s of wives and 100s of Concubines.

Link?

[SpiderGoat]

Originally Posted by AeroFlot

Islam ain't a violent power. Take a look back in history before people carried around small bombs to blow themselves up. Take a look at the Islamic Empire. It spanned from Spain to the Middle East.

Now if the Arabs are violent uncivilised people, how in the world did they get that. I'm sure it wasn't from uncoordinated suicide charges. They needed to be advanced, intelligent and resourceful.

I'm sure their religion helped them make their empire. Now you can't say it's a violent religion then. Because you see other empires with less "Violent" religions guiding them.

Now, I'm with you on the Arabs being civilized, howver: uncivilized people have, in the ancient world, when technology wasn't that important, taken over large area's of land. Just think of the Mongols. And just like the Muslims, the Arabs had the advantage of fast troops, riding on horses or camels, capable of destroying more conventional armies (at least in open areas, in France they ran into some trouble).

However, there religion did help. Unlike others, the Arabs didn't force Christians or Jews to follow their religion. In fact THEY PROTECTED THEM! The only thing they had to do in return, was to pay taxes. Of course, many (FREELY) converted to the religion of the conquerors.

After conquering many areas of the ancient, Roman world, the Arabs came into contact with the Greek civilization. They helped save lots of old works (Aristotle), and developed new ideas and philosophies themselves.

And yes, Saladin was very civilized, especially when compared with us western barbarians. Not one person was killed when he reconquered Jerusalem. He was one of the few that were admired in the west.

[Dreadnought[DK]]

Originally Posted by Buddy Jesus

That is why i say Putin should go in to Chechney and get 300 to 350 of those muslims (men, wemen, or children) line them up infront of a fireing squad and shoot them.

this is the second time you speak in support of genocide/war crimes/general atrocities. whatever you political and/or religous beliefs are, this is unacceptable. next time it happens, you will be banned!

Originally Posted by Buddy Jesus

Retrobution must be paid thses people can not go unpunished. [...] Therefore i believe that in this case an eye for an eye or a hand for a hand is acceptable, because these extreamists will not reason and will not back down until the last drop of blood is spent. and this is not just for those people in Chechney but all over the world.

the eye for an eye concept is a funny idea because it works both ways. you propose punishing killers of men, women and children by killing other men women and children. but remember that following this line of thought, september 11th can be justified this way.


and before this turns into a thread about the terrorist incident in russia, such a thread already exists here.