Islam- Religion of violence

[El Hombre del Fuego]

The Koran does not support terrorists. The Bible does not support the Inquisition or the Crusades.

It sounds to me like you boys are looking for a scapegoat. If I suddenly said that I was evolutionist, and shot random creationists, would that mean evolution supports violence? Personally, I dont think so. I think it means that I would be one sick SOB.

It is the same for the terrorists. Just because they say they are Muslim does not mean that all Muslim people are like them. It doesnt mean that the Koran preaches violence.

Here's another example: Attila the Hun and his cronies sweep across the civilized world. Attila happens to be Athiest, he made that quite clear during some points in his life. (He claimed his sword was from Mars for the intimidation value) And yet, Athiests are not held accountable for his actions. They shouldnt, either.

[SpiderGoat]

Originally Posted by USA1

The Koran does not support terrorists. The Bible does not support the Inquisition or the Crusades.

It sounds to me like you boys are looking for a scapegoat. If I suddenly said that I was evolutionist, and shot random creationists, would that mean evolution supports violence? Personally, I dont think so. I think it means that I would be one sick SOB.

It is the same for the terrorists. Just because they say they are Muslim does not mean that all Muslim people are like them. It doesnt mean that the Koran preaches violence.

USA, we are simply trying to undermine his idea that Islam is THE violent religion of the world, while all others (Christian f.e.) are peaceful. The crusades kinda blow away this theory. Of course Christianity in itself is not violent, but people will always use religion as an excuse for killing. Just like they are using Islam as an excuse now. The jedi here seems to forget the social-political context of the Middle-east.

Originally Posted by USA1

Here's another example: Attila the Hun and his cronies sweep across the civilized world. Attila happens to be Athiest, he made that quite clear during some points in his life. (He claimed his sword was from Mars for the intimidation value)

Attila was superstitious, and therefore not a real atheist. And claiming that a sword comes from the God of War isn't really atheistic.

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

whose who disbelieve are the one that didnt believe in god.

And that makes it all better?
Whether someone believes or not, it does not make it anymore justified.

[-DarthMaul-]

it was a war already! they started it! and it went on for a while.

[El Hombre del Fuego]

Oh, sorry SG. Sometimes I just skim a long thread before posting, as you probably figured out from before.

In that case, in the modern world, Irish Catholicism (you MUST appreciate how difficult it is for me to say this) and Islam are the most violent faiths. The reasons being the godamned IRA and the Islamic terrorists. I stick to my opinion that violence is not encouraged by religion, and is carried out by a few people pushed to the brink of madness for some reason or another.



I am not an authority on Attila the Hun, but the information I provided I found in multiple places (one of which was my 7th grade history, so it's probably a little inaccurate) and that's why I posted it.

[Dreadnought[DK]]

Originally Posted by USA1

Irish Catholicism (you MUST appreciate how difficult it is for me to say this) [...] the most violent faiths. The reasons being the godamned IRA

the irish republican cause is not religiously motivated. it is true that they're fighting a protestant country, but it's not a holy war. the IRA being catholic doesn't make catholicism a religion of violence.

[El Hombre del Fuego]

I know that. I think I actually posted something of that nature somewhere up there, and I am Catholic myself. Maybe I should back off posting here for a while?

[-Logic-Is-A-Virtue-]

I am sure that somewhere in the IRA is a faction that is anti-protestant and anti-british. It is not hard for some uneducated people in that environment to see them as the same thing (unfortunately).

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

It was a war already!

War?
Against everyone who did not believe in god on the entire planet?
Considering the logistics and technology of the age I find that hard to credit.

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

They started it!

The oldest and weakest excuse.
Surely even your parents gave you an answer for this one?
But if they did not I shall; 'I don't care who started it, it's time to finish it.'

Originally Posted by DarthMaul

and it went on for a while.

Oh dear.
The thing with the past is. Such events only have power because we allow it them. You see, although it may have gone on for a while, the past of man is no more or less than how we perceive. In this case it's just in a book, if you chose to ignore it, allow it no mastery of you, then it’s just words, detailing a history that no one has lived.

[-DarthMaul-]

-no, it was a war aginst the non-believers that attacked us(islam).

-they did start it, and now it IS over, you dont see us fighting them any more.

Originally Posted by Ged

when you meet in regular battle those who disbelieve, smite their necks; and, when you have overcome them, by causing great slaughter among them, bind fast the fetters - then afterwards either release them as a favour or by taking ransom - until the war lays down its burdens. That is the ordinance. And if ALLAH had so pleased, HE could have punished them Himself, but HE has willed that HE may try some of you by others. And those who are killed in the way of ALLAH - HE will never render their works vain

what this Verse means, when you meet the disbelievers in battle, fighting aginst you, slay them, and if the war stops, you either release the prisoners you have or ask them for your prisoners, and give them thier prisoners.
this was in our defense, they came to attack us, we arent fighting anymore.