Jedi's? Huh? What's going on? Were is this thread going?
Jedis? We dun need no stinkin Jedis!
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I just dont like the forcefulness of Christianity....its like you either accept that supposedly 'god's son' died for you or ur takin a seat in Hell. So, you can be a good moral and ethical person, but you dont accept this dude and ur damned...yet you could go slice people's limbs off and stick them in hot dogs, and yet you accept this guy and ur good to go forever.....
When people start saying to me about how evil the Muslim religion is I like to think back to the Inquisition and Crusades where genocide and terrorist-type actions were the norm for Christian behavior. It was even accepted. How different Catholicism is today from then? So how different are certain sects in a thousand years? Muslims do not breed hate, people do.
The bloody crusades happened in the 14th century, THIS IS THE 21st CENTURY, CATHOLICS DO NOT DO GENOCIDE ANYMORE!!! It's not a defense, "Oh the Christians did it too", in this day and age we live in the present not the past, people learn and move on.
Darth Maul why does your sig say Free Chechyna?? Aren't they the people who just killed 200 school kids???
Thanks Xenomorph. Thats what I been saying this whole time. The Middle East is stuck in the past. I am sure you all can see that
if we follow that line of thought we could also begin to study/discuss why it is so. perhaps we should also talk about western exploitation of colonies.
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Actually WW1 was started my a muslim country,.. Bosnia that wanted independence from Austria...
but he was a nationalist fighting for unification with serbia. he wasn't a religious fanatic screaming 'allah akbar' while killing the infidel. the killing wasn't religiously motivated and as such tells us nothing about islam as a peaceful or violent religion. the first world war is totally irrelevant to this topic, so if you wish to discuss it, please go here.
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your a jedi knight. it is what you believe in. since you are then i guess everything in star wars is real.
the same things goes for 'jediism'. if you wish to discuss that, either go here or here. why there are two threads about this in the religion forum is beyond me.
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Darth Maul why does your sig say Free Chechyna?? Aren't they the people who just killed 200 school kids???
The bloody crusades happened in the 14th century, THIS IS THE 21st CENTURY, CATHOLICS DO NOT DO GENOCIDE ANYMORE!!! It's not a defense, "Oh the Christians did it too", in this day and age we live in the present not the past, people learn and move on.
I have a better idea. we force all the western nation's to give all the wealth they gained by exploiting their colonies, such as india, the middle east, most of asia... hell most of the world that wasn't christian. then we can start over.
you have to understand. you made these people, you made them poor, you leached off them, they made you rich, they made you who you are, you made them who they are.
I don't give a rats ass about the fact that you are too stupid to understand that the time in wich something happend is not an excuse or justification for action/inaction. hitler mass murdered over 6 million jews in ww2. but that was 60 years ago, who gives a shit? jezus, stop being a closed minded piece of arrogant .
I have a better idea. we force all the western nation's to give all the wealth they gained by exploiting their colonies, such as india, the middle east, most of asia... hell most of the world that wasn't christian. then we can start over.
If as you say we are responsible for what people who lived thousands of years ago did then all the world deserves to die. Every last one of them from the newborn children to the oldest man. Then we can start redressing other damages. Would you still claim such a future if that were the cost of what you propose?
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you have to understand. you made these people, you made them poor, you leached off them, they made you rich, they made you who you are, you made them who they are.
No, all men must take responsibility for their situation. If you are to weak to accept that then that’s your problem.
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I don't give a rats ass about the fact that you are too stupid to understand that the time in wich something happend is not an excuse or justification for action/inaction. hitler mass murdered over 6 million jews in ww2. but that was 60 years ago, who gives a shit? jezus, stop being a closed minded piece of arrogant
Yes it was sixty years ago.
And we have not annihilated Germany from the face of the earth, (an action I assure you we could have done at the end of world war 2.) Instead Germany is now a highly respected member of the community.
In a way you're right when you ask 'who cares' and I have an answer for you: I don’t care. I don’t care to judge the people of today by the actions of the past, I may feel sorry that the Jews were subjected to such an atrocity, but I don’t care about Germanys past when I judge it today.
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Ged- i know but they were the ones that attacked us do we sit here and die because we might be called violent? no, we have to defend our selves.
Defence is one thing, this is quite another, this is instructions for how to wage a war against 'those who disbelieve', (notice it doesn’t say ‘those who would seek to harm you’, it says 'those who disbelieve' meaning anyone who does not believe in that religion,) when you meet them in 'regular battle'.
How can this be seen as a statement of self-defence?
And before you go on, I don’t want to hear 'well back then un-believers were attacking us'.
You and I both know that doesn’t float.
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Dont be so stuck up.
All that is true, but it happened thousands of years ago. The Muslims are doing that stuff NOW in 21 century!! I guess you havent read any previous posts!
Thousands? Perhaps the actual battles back then were, but let us look no further than about eight hundred years ago. Shoot, even right up to the settlement of the colonists, Puritans and such used the Bible to condone the atrocities of the Inquisition (which continued on until the 1500's), witch trials, hanging of blacks, and so on. You can't tell me that the material found in the Bible does not condone these things, and people have not used them today to justify their actions because they do.
If you want to know real terrorism, look back to 1979 when America invaded Iraq and set up a very well known person by the name of Sadaam Hussein. America put him there using the same acts of terror that we now are supposedly fighting.
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