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Vertical345 August 10th, 2004 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NiteStryker

Ok so I can go grab an AK-47 and several pipe bombs and go on a spree, but as long as I accept Christ im good to go? Vice Versa, I could sell everything I had, constantly donate all my money while using some to buy food for the poor, give blood, recycle, never hurt a thing, but because I dont accept christ, im goin to hell?

Thats F.U.B.A.R
Dude, usually people who do grab a pipe bomb and AK-47 and kill people dont really believe in god, or wouldnt think to accept christ afterwards anyway.

JP(NL) August 10th, 2004 01:14 PM
Re: The Afterlife
 
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Originally Posted by DarthSporky
It's not irrevant (sp?), and I"m not avoiding your point. If you are a real chirstian you will not go around killing people.
it's besides the point.

picture this: I'm a good christian for all my life, but I kill my neighbour one day, BUT I love jezus and accept him as my saviour.

as you know, killing is a sin. but by believing in jezus etc, he will rid me of my sins and I will go into heaven and I will thus get away with killing some-one. no?

X-C August 10th, 2004 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JP(NL)
it's besides the point.

picture this: I'm a good christian for all my life, but I kill my neighbour one day, BUT I love jezus and accept him as my saviour.

as you know, killing is a sin. but by believing in jezus etc, he will rid me of my sins and I will go into heaven and I will thus get away with killing some-one. no?
I am sure you probably would get into heaven, but I don't know all the details. I am still a year away from studying all of these things. Maybe you do go into purgatory.

grishank August 10th, 2004 01:38 PM
Re: The Afterlife
 
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Originally Posted by Vertical345
Dude, usually people who do grab a pipe bomb and AK-47 and kill people dont really believe in god, or wouldnt think to accept christ afterwards anyway.
Oscar Romero, look him up.

Try to avoid lumping protestants into one group, and give a specific denomination e.g. Salvation Army, Anglican, Catholic, Quaker, Methodist etc. as there are divisions of belief within the denominations, let alone protestants as a whole, it's very easy to generalise too much.

In general I would say purgatory is mostly a Catholic idea, but many others believe in it too.

Anglican's tend to believe that God is a loving God and if you truly repent your sins, you go to heaven.

D.Sporky! August 10th, 2004 02:50 PM
Re: The Afterlife
 
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Originally Posted by JP(NL)
it's besides the point.

picture this: I'm a good christian for all my life, but I kill my neighbour one day, BUT I love jezus and accept him as my saviour.

as you know, killing is a sin. but by believing in jezus etc, he will rid me of my sins and I will go into heaven and I will thus get away with killing some-one. no?
picture this: A true Christian wouldn't go killing his neighbor! OK!? Christians aren't like that. He may kill his neighbor, and then become a Christian, and then yes, he would go to heaven.

colonel_bob August 10th, 2004 02:57 PM
Re: The Afterlife
 
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Originally Posted by DarthSporky
picture this: A true Christian wouldn't go killing his neighbor! OK!? Christians aren't like that. He may kill his neighbor, and then become a Christian, and then yes, he would go to heaven.
/me repeats himself...

The Crusades, anyone?

grishank August 10th, 2004 02:57 PM
Re: The Afterlife
 
He might for example in a crime of passion or self defence where he isnt really in control of his actions.

Nemmerle August 10th, 2004 03:01 PM
Re: The Afterlife
 
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Originally Posted by colonel_bob
/me repeats himself...

The Crusades, anyone?
Children playing with fire; they let their faith blind them to all they did not want to see. Can we truly blame them for not seeing something they didn’t want to look for?

colonel_bob August 10th, 2004 03:19 PM
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Murderers do not want to see the non-violent solution to their problems. Shall we not blame them, too?

Nemmerle August 10th, 2004 03:36 PM
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Murderers do not want to see the non-violent solution to their problems. Shall we not blame them, too?
While they do not want to see the non-violent solution to their problems, they are at least aware of it; whether they chose to pursue it or not is a different matter.
How many crusaders, while thinking they did the will of god, were really aware they could have a non-violent solution?


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