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Originally Posted by Hero Of Time

"In the beggining GOD created the heavens and the Earth."

Genesis 1:6-8: 6*And God went on to say: “Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters.” 7*Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. 8*And God began to call the expanse Heaven. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a second day.

GOD EXISTS! THERE YOU HAVE PROOF PEOPLE!

Lol, so this is your proof?

It says clearly: GOD created the heavens and the Earth.

The Koran clearly says that Allah created the heavens and Earth. Your point?

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Originally Posted by SpiderGoat

The Koran clearly says that Allah created the heavens and Earth. Your point?

Well, God and Allah are the same diety. Just different names. And I can't believe you take a book that is only half fact and half fiction for whole truth.

To the Christians Allah is not the same as JHWH, though there aren't many differences. In fact, they only differ in one major thing: in the Koran, Jesus is a prophet, not the saviour/messias.

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Originally Posted by SpiderGoat

To the Christians Allah is not the same as JHWH, though there aren't many differences. In fact, they only differ in one major thing: in the Koran, Jesus is a prophet, not the saviour/messias.

yep, that's correct. :nodding:

And Hero Of Time: It's like this, the bible is proof to you, to other people who aren't christians (or jehovah witnesses) the bible will only be a really old book. So you really can't take the Bible and say, "look here's proof that God created the Universe(sp?????)." (it would be really kewl if I could spell...)

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Originally Posted by Octovon

Well I will always think that is why religion was created, to answer unknown problems. People needed to blame someone for their bad crops, why not a deity? I was raised Catholic for a good part of my life. I'm an atheist now, I'm done with all that religious nonsense. In my opinion, you're damned if you do and you're damned uf you dont.

As for millions of people believeing in religion, so there must be some truth in it. I'm reminded of 1930-1940s Nazi Germany, millions of white 'aryan' people thought they were better than everyone else. Were they right? No. In the words of Vladimir Lenin: "A lie told often enough becomes the truth".

Some holy texts do have som truth behind them, in the form of historical events. As in the Bible and the siege of Jerusalem by the Assyrians. The Bible, to me, is a fictional story about common sense.

As for design theories and such, the world is all just a coincidence. We all evolved, in some way or another from single-cell organisms billions of years ago when the earth was cooling. I do not, nor will not believe the earth and its species have some sort of 'designer'. The world is too intricate and detailed to have a designer.

This is my opinion, I'm not forcing you to accept as your own. You may think in other ways that I do not, but they will not change my stance on religion and all its facets.

But you wouldn't blame a deity. You could ask them for help, but you wouldn't blame them. The deity did not deliberately harm the crops.

Never said I thought millions of people believing in religion was a good reason, but there are people who believe in religion for this reason.

My religion doesn't involve any holy texts so I'll ignore the holy texts rebuttal.

I believe that it takes more faith to believe thatt the intricacies of the earth were created by a designer.

Was it coincidence that plants evolved at all (thereby changing our atmosphere into something inhabitable)? I find that hard to believe, along with the 'coincidence' of the big bang theory, the system of evolution, the fact that life functions efficiently etc.

Those reasons for religion were not my views, but truth, those ARE the reasons why people believe in religion. I don't agree with some of them (e.g. loads of other people, upbringing)

religion is the easy way out.

"I don't understand how this and this and this happend."
believing a magical deity from above snapped his fingers and *poof* there was life, is much easier to understand than evolution and most big bang theories...

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Originally Posted by JP(NL)

"I don't understand how this and this and this happend."
believing a magical deity from above snapped his fingers and *poof* there was life, is much easier to understand than evolution and most big bang theories...

And takes less faith. :nodding:

as I said, it's the easy way out.