God does not exist. I do not need scientific proof to prove my point at all. God and religion were created to answer the unknowns of the world. Many ancient societies had polytheistic anthropomorphic deities for every single facet of human life. There would be a 'god of thunder', a 'god of agriculture', etc. Each of which would be blamed whenever something bad happened, which would then reflect upon the society as immature in that it cannot realise its own faults. Monotheism placed the blamed more on people, but still with a god who punished those who he deemed unfit. God is still looked upon to explain the many mysteries of the univers, including its creation. We can discuss creationalism and evolutionalism sometime else, but its still important here. I have no need for religion or god, it is all simply a fictious character to the mind to answer one's problems. I have questions, but look not to 'god' for answer, I try to answer the question myself. That is somewhat the meaning of life, to ask questions, not finding the answers. In conclusion, there is no god, but thats my opinion and you're welcome to think otherwise.
How can you simply state that the Deities were created to prove the unknowns in the world. Deities (oh it was the religions that were poltheistic not the Deities themselves) were not created merely to blame something on. People have believed in Deities because looking around themselves they can see the beauty of the world and want to celebrate it, and they believe that something so beautiful cannot be created by anything other than a designer. Well that is why I believe in Deities. There are actually many reasons why people might.
1. Personal Revelation-a person experiences something (e.g. a miracle) that makes them believe in God.
2. Upbringing-they were brought up being told that God exists.
3. Millions of other people believe in religion, so there must be truth in it.
4. Holy texts- must be some truth behind them (i don't believe there is).
5. Design theory (e.g. Paley's watch, newton's thumb)- World is so intricate must have been designer.
6. First cause/cosmological argument- trace events all the way back, what was before anything else--->Deity.
Sorry for the crap wording for that first paragraph, I might rewrite it later....
"Man may have been made in God's image, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home."-Stephen King-'The Stand'
You guys are knuckleheads! God exists! Think about it people!
Where do you think the endless universe came from? Sheer coincidence? I DON'T THINK SO! What about suns that placed where our sun is they would reach to Saturn? Sheer coincidence? I don't think so!
How about the thousands upon thousands of species that live on the earth? Coincidence? NO!
"In the beggining GOD created the heavens and the Earth."
Genesis 1:6-8: 6*And God went on to say: “Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters.” 7*Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. 8*And God began to call the expanse Heaven. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a second day.
However humans do perform good actions, however while the deities did intend for humans to evolve, I don't belive they were directly created by the deities. I think the disgraceful actions of killing and harming the planet humans have comitted is all our own doing. And it is up to us to try and put it right *cough* kyoto agreement *cough* would be a good start.
Please can we avoid, there you have it proof type statements. Because that is just stupid isnt it, because if there was proof we wouldnt be having this argument would we? Every person has the right to believe what ever they want, we are arguing our point of view not trying to convert.
Any other Wiccans/pagans out there?
"Man may have been made in God's image, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home."-Stephen King-'The Stand'
You people! Go back to the Garden of Eden. There, Satan tricked Eve into eating the fruit.
Genesis 3:1-13
Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2*At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3*But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’” 4*At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die. 5*For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.”
6*Consequently the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was something to be longed for to the eyes, yes, the tree was desirable to look upon. So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward she gave some also to her husband when with her and he began eating it. 7*Then the eyes of both of them became opened and they began to realize that they were naked. Hence they sewed fig leaves together and made loin coverings for themselves.
8*Later they heard the voice of Jehovah God walking in the garden about the breezy part of the day, and the man and his wife went into hiding from the face of Jehovah God in between the trees of the garden. 9*And Jehovah God kept calling to the man and saying to him: “Where are you?” 10*Finally he said: “Your voice I heard in the garden, but I was afraid because I was naked and so I hid myself.” 11*At that he said: “Who told you that you were naked? From the tree from which I commanded you not to eat have you eaten?” 12*And the man went on to say: “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me [fruit] from the tree and so I ate.” 13*With that Jehovah God said to the woman: “What is this you have done?” To this the woman replied: “The serpent—it deceived me and so I ate.”
Romans 5:12
That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned
Because Adam & Eve ate from that tree, sin has been passed down through him and given to us. Humans are imperfect, but thats all going to change soon. God will destroy this system of things, and make way for a new one. A peaceful one. No wars, no violence, no hate, no theft, no murder, no sickness, no pain, no death, no hospitals, no police stations, no starvation, nothing like that! Wouldn't you like to live in a world like that?
Teh Zelda Series Rulez!
Last edited by Hero Of Time; August 9th, 2004 at 12:23 PM.
I would like to add that in my opinion there is no true religion, all religions are a path to the deities, a way to lead a good life, and a way to learn a lesson from this life.If you don't believe in Deities, I still think you make contact with them by simply living a good life.
"Man may have been made in God's image, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home."-Stephen King-'The Stand'
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