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Nemmerle June 1st, 2004 06:15 AM

Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.)
 
This thread has been created to continue a discussion started in the Dating thread. I now yield the flaw to the critics of home education.

Admiral Donutz June 1st, 2004 07:56 AM

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i'm against homeschooling: if you live within an acceptable range of a school and don't need any special education you shool go to a public school, this way you will learn social skills. I'm not saying that homeschooled people aren't social/don't have any social skills but it makes a difference IMO.

Dreadnought[DK] June 1st, 2004 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ged
I now yield the flaw to the critics of home education.

Is there a pun intended or is it simply an error ;)

I don't like the concept of home schooling. Going to a scool is not just about learning facts (math, grammar, language, history etc.). The school is also a place where you learn to socialise. In the modern day society, a lot of things have to be done in association with otehr persons. In school you learn how to mix with others and, more importantly, you begin to learn to work in groups. I know it may sond a bit long-hairish but it's the truth. I remember my old teahcer telling me this because I have always been better working individually.

Napalm June 1st, 2004 08:45 AM

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Home Schooling, in my opinion, is too sheilded. Public education is good cause it is more of an experience with real life and confrontations.

Mihail June 1st, 2004 08:51 AM

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I am for it. Simply because the standard school system is flawed it's focus too much on the whole class and not on any one student. So it's easy for a child to get left behind. Theres others but I'm too tired....

Mental Decay June 1st, 2004 09:24 AM

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i thought public schools rocked. i always knew when and where the partys where, and its fun to do stupid shit in class. ex. pretending your high in class, turning on my CD player as loud as it will go, and unplugging the head phones so everyone can hear some ACDC, ummmmmmmmmmmm...............other stuff like that.

X-C June 1st, 2004 09:27 AM

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I don't know about other countries, but home schooling in America should not even be allowed. This day and age, learning social skills is much more important than being a math genious, or spelling expert.

Admiral Donutz June 1st, 2004 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mihail
I am for it. Simply because the standard school system is flawed it's focus too much on the whole class and not on any one student. So it's easy for a child to get left behind. Theres others but I'm too tired....

people who lag behind can choose a lower (easier) level of education, and even when the lowest level is a problem for the students they can always go to special homework/help lessons, get extra attention of the teacher(s) etc. Only kids who can't be bothered to learn will have a problem, or kids that are on a crappy school that dennies extra help after the normal school hours... but sinse every school want to have a high rate of students passing their exams (or normal tests) almost every school will gladly help the kids (becuase they care or out of self intrest).

Da-Ko June 1st, 2004 10:23 AM

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Well im homescooled, and been al my life. I dont like it but I will be done with highschool when I am 16:deal: . I think I may just decide to go to regular school any way. I hate:mad: the fact that I dont have many friends. Of course I think I will be picked on if I go to regular school since I am sort of a nerd:uhoh: . I think if I had a choice when I was 7 or 8 I would have went to regular school instead. But my parents decided for me.:(

Nemmerle June 1st, 2004 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Napalm
Home Schooling, in my opinion, is too sheilded.

Shielded from what exactly? From reality? I think you'll find that I have a reasonable grip on reality.

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Originally Posted by Napalm
Public education is good cause it is more of an experience with real life

Well I'm not playing a demo of my life so obviously this is the real thing.

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and confrontations.

Like the confrontation where a 14 year old girl got dads rifle and started picking off nine year olds as they got off the bus at school?

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Originally Posted by Punk Rawker
i thought public schools rocked. i always knew when and where the partys where, and its fun to do stupid shit in class. ex. pretending your high in class, turning on my CD player as loud as it will go, and unplugging the head phones so everyone can hear some ACDC, ummmmmmmmmmmm...............other stuff like that.

Yeah and what about the people who wanted to learn stuff? I bet they really appreciated you're loud music and pretending to be high.

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or kids that are on a crappy school that dennies extra help after the normal school hours.

Welcome to Britain mate ;)

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Originally Posted by <AP>
This day and age, learning social skills is much more important than being a math genious, or spelling expert.

Up until you need to get a job, when with no qualifications or certificates you're completely screwed.

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I'm not saying that homeschooled people aren't social/don't have any social skills but it makes a difference IMO.

Yes it does make a difference, but I am of the opinion that it is a difference for the better.

Have any of you heard of the home education camps?
Large amounts of us get together, indeed at one I went to recently there were in excess of a thousand of us, this provides, in my opinion, more than enough opportunity to socialise, then there are clubs and things you could go to, if you wanted to associate with people who go to school, so there are enough opportunities to socialise if someone wanted to.

Mental Decay June 1st, 2004 10:33 AM

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well, everyone in my class liked it, so........................ and i dont know of any kids who actually want to go to school and learn. oh and we didnt learn shit in that class. it was biology or some other gay class like that.

Nemmerle June 1st, 2004 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Punk Rawker
and i dont know of any kids who actually want to go to school and learn. oh and we didnt learn shit in that class. it was biology or some other gay class like that.

Surely this is all the argument you need against the regular school system.

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Oh and Da-Ko that really suck's, everyone should be given a choice.

Mental Decay June 1st, 2004 10:44 AM

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lol probably. a lot of us just skipped school when we didnt feel like going. of coarse it was just for one day so we wouldnt be charged with truency (i actually payed attention in civics), and we had an excuse.

Admiral Donutz June 1st, 2004 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Punk Rawker
(..)it was biology or some other gay class like that.

what if you "had some kind of gay mentor"? Whats wrong with biology? and if everybody in your class says something then does that make it true? (no)

SpiderGoat June 1st, 2004 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought[DK]
The school is also a place where you learn to socialise.

Word!

The Belgian public schools are among the best of the world, so no need to take private teaching. IF your country has poor public education, than I'd have more reasons to take a private teacher. Still, being social is one of the most important things in one's life. Almost every job will require you to be able to talk to people, win their confidence, and so on.

+ I think advanced maths and the sort (relativity, the difficult parts of chemistry) might be hard to learn at home.

Mental Decay June 1st, 2004 11:15 AM

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ok, saying biology is gay is my OPINION. doesnt mean u have to like it. and i was saying that it didnt disrupt the students who wanted to learn cause they all thought it was funny, and none of them were even listening in that class. now im sure glad we got that cleared up..................

evildude June 1st, 2004 11:23 AM

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i'm 50/50 on the i think plaple should pick if they went to go public school our home

Admiral Donutz June 1st, 2004 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by evildude41
i'm 50/50 on the i think plaple should pick if they went to go public school our home

your home? thats gonna be a very bussy place! :lol:
nah i get it, some goes for Punk Rawker: i know what you meant but i just disagreed with the thing you wrote.

Mental Decay June 1st, 2004 11:34 AM

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ok, i see

D.Sporky! June 1st, 2004 12:39 PM

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I'm for homeschooling. I am homeschooled. I have 0 social problems. Just because you're homeschooled doesn't mean you don't get out, where I am there's a lot of "homeschool groups," which is basicly a bunch of homeschoolers getting together to go on fieldtrips and the like. It can be fun. (my homeschool group broke up ages ago however. :(). And, like someone said before, homeschooled children can progress at their own pace. Not all kids learn the same, it takes some kids longer to learn things than others. The public school system tries to make kids all move at the same pace. This often causes the child not to learn what he/she is having trouble with. Also (no offence to any of you who go to public school, I'm not trying to generalize), the avarage homeschooler is smarter than the avarage public-schooled kid. Also, I don't have faith in the educational systems in America, my uncle (who makes cabinates) hired this one kid, and asked him to add 1 1/2 and 1 1/2. The guy couldn't do it...he had just graduated highschool!!! (once again, I'm not saying that's everyone that goes to public school). However, there is drawbacks, like many people have said, homeschoolers do tend to have less social skills. (I used to be a really shy kid myself...). yes, us homeschoolers do have less friends. (I really only have 2 real good friends (offline) :(). But still, weighing the pros vs. the cons. I say homeschooling comes out on the top.

SpiderGoat June 1st, 2004 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthSporky
And, like someone said before, homeschooled children can progress at their own pace.

Point is: at unie, you won't get a chance to learn at your own pace.

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Also (no offence to any of you who go to public school, I'm not trying to generalize), the avarage homeschooler is smarter than the avarage public-schooled kid.

Proof? + Which country are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by DarthSporky
Also, I don't have faith in the educational systems in America, my uncle (who makes cabinates) hired this one kid, and asked him to add 1 1/2 and 1 1/2. The guy couldn't do it...he had just graduated highschool!!! (once again, I'm not saying that's everyone that goes to public school).

Again, kids here learn that at the age of 10. You wouldn't even get to high school if you couldn't add that.

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yes, us homeschoolers do have less friends. (I really only have 2 real good friends (offline) :(). But still, weighing the pros vs. the cons. I say homeschooling comes out on the top.

... I think having friends is very important in life (plus, it's so much more fun :)). It's even healthier to have lots of friends!

Napalm June 1st, 2004 02:18 PM

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I would think that a balance of street-smartness (common sense) and intelligence outweights little street-smartness and tons of intelligence.

Da-Ko June 1st, 2004 02:48 PM

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... I think having friends is very important in life (plus, it's so much more fun ). It's even healthier to have lots of friends!
Lets face it if you are in regular school you will have more friends. Home schoolers are quiet shy kids, like me. I really don’t get along with people I don’t know (offline). That is one reason I don’t really want to go to public school now, I’m already ruined. I have 2 good friends, but they go to school and I only see them about 1 time a month.
My final say:
I envy kids my age having parties and playing tricks on teachers. Mabry that isn’t what is important in life, maybe the future is more important. Which is better, A shy unsocial yet very smart kid that grows up to be a engineer or a social fun kid with lots of friends that is not as smart and grows up to be a pizza deliver. I have only seen 1 side. I really don’t know. I have the choice to stay home schooled or go to school now, but im just can’t decide. Just like I can’t decide to ask a girl I like out. I probly wont, ill just watch and do nothing.
The pros I have are being able to have a flexible schedule. I can stay up all night watching X-files or stargate as long as I do enough work the next day. Sometimes I will just not do school on a day my friends are in town and do it on a weekend instead.

:confused: :clueless: :madman:

Admiral Donutz June 1st, 2004 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Da-Ko
Mabry that isn’t what is important in life, maybe the future is more important. Which is better, A shy unsocial yet very smart kid that grows up to be a engineer or a social fun kid with lots of friends that is not as smart and grows up to be a pizza deliver.

I don't think that people who go to school (college for exampel) will be a pizza delivery guy :uhm:.

You will learn all the neccary things in public schools, although you can tell you teacher where you want to specialise in. although even this can be done by people who go to a public school: they can learn extra stuff at home.

Mr. Matt June 1st, 2004 04:19 PM

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How often are these 'Home school camps'? Once a week, for a full day? That would be pushing the limits. Any less than that isn't sufficient at all, so far as I can see.

And as for a grasp on reality, putting aside for a second Ged's assumption that he needs a quick getaway plan so he can disappear in case anyone comes after him, even people who HAVE been to school never get what they expect when they enter the real world. But at least they have dealt with people long enough to get by while they learn. And they go out into a miniature recreation of the real world, with all the inter-personal politics that go with it, every weekday of their lives without the help of their parents, so they have at least some backing.

Working at your own pace? Tell that to your boss in ten years time when you're three days late for a deadline. He/she'll laugh at you, then probably proceed to fire you if you keep doing so. Working at your own pace is the WORST habbit you could possibly get into so far as a job is concerned. Well, that is, if you have enough confidence around strangers to get past an interviewin the first place.

Even bullying has its place! If you get bullied, you generally won't tell anyone. You have to deal with it on your own. That means learning to put up with the mockeries and insults thrown your way.
Given the fact that there are usually one or two bullies per class, you can guarentee that most kids have at least received glancing verbal blows from one at one point or another. I have. I've even been in a defensive fight. It's far from fun, and not something you look back on fondly, but it teaches you some things. Like standing up for yourself, and not rising to provocation.

It's just one of those things. Wherever you go, you will encounter someone with a superiority and/or hostility complex. They will belittle you and insult you. You can do one of two things in school. Learn to shrug off the blows. Or learn the confidence to shrug off the bully. Fail to do either, you won't survive the real world anyway. It's not a nice place. Nowhere near as nice as your cosy house.
Claim to know as much about the 'real world' as you like, but you really don't know as much as you think you do. I admit to not knowing as much as I thought I did before I was shoved into it! And I went to school! I'm sure most people will claim the same. It's a shock to the system, and the more preparation you go through before hand, the better.

And as for home schooled kids being cleverer than us'es dum pple, please don't force me into saying something I'll regret. You learn what you WANT to learn. Teachers just teach you what you need to pass exams. You want more, you learn by yourself anyway. Those who don't want to learn wouldn't want to learn whether they were at school or home. The endless reams of facts that you are forced into memorising isn't what's important about school anyway. NOBODY is ready for the real world, but it is possible to prepare somewhat. I don't think that people schooled at home are prepared at all.

Zab June 1st, 2004 04:23 PM

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I just think that public education provides a better education..and you get social skills by being with other kids.

Nemmerle June 1st, 2004 04:28 PM

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Interesting story about specialising in a profession at school, my friend, from a long time back, wanted to be a constructional engineer, after going through the public school system, he has become a brick layer. Now I know he could have done what he wanted to, he?s not stupid, he?s rather smart and yet what has let him down? My only conclusion is that it must be the public school system, they were entrusted by his parents to educate him and they failed.

Zab June 1st, 2004 04:33 PM

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He may be smart, but has he applied himself? You can be a genius, but if one doesn't apply him/herself...then it doesn't matter how smart he/she is.

Mr. Matt June 1st, 2004 05:34 PM

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Indeed. You can't blame public schools for such things and public schools alone. There are many, many people who have done exceedingly well even having attended public schools to start off with. If you want something, you have to reach out and take it. If you don't feel you're learning enough in public school, what do you do? Learn it in your own time. The only person you have to blame for not achieving what you wanted to achieve is yourself. Firing blame at other people is easy but generally misguided.

Nemmerle June 1st, 2004 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Matt
How often are these 'Home school camps'? Once a week, for a full day? That would be pushing the limits. Any less than that isn't sufficient at all, so far as I can see.

Difficult to say really how it averages out, but I think it probably works out a bit more than that.

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You learn what you WANT to learn.

You have more time to learn it if not shackled by a school system and national curriculum

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Teachers just teach you what you need to pass exams.

And that is the extent of their teaching. You see the problem?

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You want more, you learn by yourself anyway.

Exactly the point if you want to learn then you will do better away from people who dont want to learn

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Those who don't want to learn wouldn't want to learn whether they were at school or home.

Then let them stay at school where they belong.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Matt
The endless reams of facts that you are forced into memorising isn't what's important about school anyway.

And the social contact is I suppose?

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NOBODY is ready for the real world, but it is possible to prepare somewhat. I don't think that people schooled at home are prepared at all.

How are you more prepared?
You think because you went to school you have a better knowledge of the, unsavory aspects of human nature?
People change after they leave school, this sort of invalidates you're argument that you are learning to deal with people, as all the rules will change, true it?s the same game but it?s a game we all know how to play anyway and I would say home-schooled children work by rules closer to the final set, so we have the advantage in that particular arena.

Mr. Matt June 1st, 2004 05:40 PM

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I would say home-schooled children work by rules closer to the final set, so we have the advantage in that particular arena.
...what? How did you come to that conclusion?

Nemmerle June 1st, 2004 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Matt
There are many, many people who have done exceedingly well even having attended public schools to start off with.

But do you attribute their success to the school or the pupil? The government would attribute it to the school and when a pupil does badly they are falling the school, see the inherent hypocrisy?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Matt
If you don't feel you're learning enough in public school, what do you do? Learn it in your own time.

With all the homework they get handed (and I can certainly share the sentiment,) " bugger that I'm going to bed now," seems to be the general feeling among my friends remaining at school.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Matt
The only person you have to blame for not achieving what you wanted to achieve is yourself. Firing blame at other people is easy but generally misguided.

Thats no reason to make it more difficult by attending school though.

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Originally Posted by Zab556
He may be smart, but has he applied himself? You can be a genius, but if one doesn't apply him/herself...then it doesn't matter how smart he/she is.

But the school is whats being relied upon to apply them, sure if he'd concentrated on his work then he might have acquired an exam or two, but as Mr. matt points out teachers only teach you what you need to pass the exam.

Nemmerle June 1st, 2004 06:02 PM

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...what? How did you come to that conclusion?

The majority of their contact is with older people, thus they tend to learn a closer version of that rule set compared to school children, who instead learn to deal with school children.

D.Sporky! June 1st, 2004 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiderGoat
Point is: at unie, you won't get a chance to learn at your own pace.

yeah...so? It's not like us homeschool kids are all stupid and have to learn at a really slow pace to pick anything up...I don't think I've heard of any homeschool-kid having problems in college.

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Proof? + Which country are you talking about?

Homeschool, kids like always take the top three places at national spelling bees...and I don't feel like looking for anything else. I'm takling about the US of A.

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Again, kids here learn that at the age of 10. You wouldn't even get to high school if you couldn't add that.

What country?

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... I think having friends is very important in life (plus, it's so much more fun :)). It's even healthier to have lots of friends!

I can't disagree with that. But it's not like us homeschooled kids don't get out, we don't just sit here in our houses all day. We do have neighbors you know. We do play sports. We're NOT socially inept, we all have some grasp of a real world.


and come on guys (Mr. Matt in particular), what do you think? We expect to learn at our own pace in EVERYTHING allllll our lives. Come on, cut the BS, course we don't expect that! It takes some kids longer to learn things, like division for example. If you learn it at home you're most likely to understand it better (once again, Mr. Matt, I'm not generalizing. I'm not talking about ALL homeschool kids, and ALL public-schooled kids, stop thinking I am, please.). Once you get a grasp, and the little thing in your head goes "click," and you're like "ooohhh! that's why!" Then you won't be moving at a slower pace, you'll actually be moving faster than if you're forced to "learn" division in a shorter amount of time.


Homeschool kids are not stupid (most of em anyway). I myself am finishing highschool a year early.


Another thing, homeschooling isn't always just learning from your mom. There's many online courses you can take at home. Cyber-schools are popping up all over the place. *(in cyber schools you are made to move more at their pace though). I'm in a long distance corrispondence course, my mentor says that some of my works embarasses college students.

And I can't stress enough, we are not socially inept! I have 0 problem talking to people. (When i play hockey for example, before and after the game, I'll just go up to someone and start talking to them...it really is no problem). And we're NOT over sheltered! If anything we're only sheltered from all the drugs, sex, and all the shit that goes on in public schools. We're missing 100% nothing there...

KillorLive June 1st, 2004 09:29 PM

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I've done both, public and home schooled.

I suggest neither. I ended up dropping out and getting my GED anyway. Private schools all the way for my (unborn but trying hard) children.

ScOrPY June 2nd, 2004 01:44 AM

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Home schooling I would not know about, but going to a school I loved heaps, made a lot of decent friends but also had to deal with stupid losers of kids who bullied. Stupid twats. There ya have it ;)

Mr. Matt June 2nd, 2004 01:51 AM

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But do you attribute their success to the school or the pupil? The government would attribute it to the school and when a pupil does badly they are falling the school, see the inherent hypocrisy?
The government can think whatever the hell the government wants to think. I don't care, frankly. It's always the pupil who is responsible for both their successes and their failures.

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With all the homework they get handed (and I can certainly share the sentiment,) " bugger that I'm going to bed now," seems to be the general feeling among my friends remaining at school.
Then you know some friends who don't care enough.

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Thats no reason to make it more difficult by attending school though.
The 'difficulties' of school are necessary to your development, as I've said repeatedly only to have you ignore it and twist single sentences you see opportunity in. I don't care how much you say you are not socially inept, and quite frankly we have only your word for that -- I don't believe the word 'inept' was thrown out by anybody, not me anyway. Just uncomfortable around other people. Lacking in as much social contact as you probably should be getting.

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But the school is whats being relied upon to apply them, sure if he'd concentrated on his work then he might have acquired an exam or two, but as Mr. matt points out teachers only teach you what you need to pass the exam.
As you intend to take '9 A-levels' you will soon find yourself wishing you had teachers telling you how to write an exam paper. If a student isn't feeling challenged at school, if they give a damn they will find other means.

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The majority of their contact is with older people, thus they tend to learn a closer version of that rule set compared to school children, who instead learn to deal with school children.
Yes, and older people, regardless of what you think, rarely treat kids as peers but as... kids. They WILL treat you differently when you're an adult.

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Homeschool kids are not stupid
I don't believe anybody said they were.

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We're missing 100% nothing there...
You know, what you learn off the TV isn't generally accurate. I never even encountered drugs. And how you think avoiding sex is a good thing I'm unsure.

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Another thing, homeschooling isn't always just learning from your mom. There's many online courses you can take at home. Cyber-schools are popping up all over the place. *(in cyber schools you are made to move more at their pace though). I'm in a long distance corrispondence course, my mentor says that some of my works embarasses college students.
Oh really? So you're not just relying on your parents, but the internet now? That's good.
And yes, I can see that what your mentor says is true about your long distance 'correspondence' course. Please, visit the car forum and read some of the threads about 10 year olds who claim to own expensive, rare cars, which I also believe. I'm sorry to be so sarcastic, but you're insulting my limited intelligence now. Either you are lying because you are taking this whole issue far more personally than is necessary, or your mentor is lying to bolster your ego.

KillorLive June 2nd, 2004 01:56 AM

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I just finished typing a (quasi) intelligent post and MAtt goes after the other guy...

I feel left out. :'(

Nemmerle June 2nd, 2004 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Matt
Then you know some friends who don't care enough.

4 hours of home work + 6 hours of school, thats 10 hours if I'm not mistaken, admittedly a lot of them are wasted, but still 10 hours of slog a day, even working solid you could start at 9:00 and end at 19:00, plus one hours lunch and another for tea, 30 minutes to 45 to cook tea, so we'll call that 37 minutes, it all adds up you know. Means you could work till 21:47 hours including lunch tea and cooking tea, then you have to be abed by zero hour to be able to get up in time to go to school, leaving you 2 hours and 23 minutes of free time per day, at a time when you'll hardly feel you're best.

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The 'difficulties' of school are necessary to your development, as I've said repeatedly only to have you ignore it and twist single sentences you see opportunity in. I don't care how much you say you are not socially inept, and quite frankly we have only your word for that -- I don't believe the word 'inept' was thrown out by anybody, not me anyway. Just uncomfortable around other people. Lacking in as much social contact as you probably should be getting.

Not really much point in arguing this, for or against, we can present evidence we do have social contact, you can up the requirements, catch 22, its a fight neither side can win.

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As you intend to take '9 A-levels' you will soon find yourself wishing you had teachers telling you how to write an exam paper. If a student isn't feeling challenged at school, if they give a damn they will find other means.

Why would I need a teacher to TELL me to write an exam paper? I can tell myself that, without the need for such a crutch.

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Yes, and older people, regardless of what you think, rarely treat kids as peers but as... kids. They WILL treat you differently when you're an adult.

Doubtless, my point was that the rule set was closer to the final thing, not identical.

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You know, what you learn off the TV isn't generally accurate. I never even encountered drugs. And how you think avoiding sex is a good thing I'm unsure.

Well it's better than dealing with this smut.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...212734,00.html

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And yes, I can see that what your mentor says is true about your long distance 'correspondence' course. Please, visit the car forum and read some of the threads about 10 year olds who claim to own expensive, rare cars, which I also believe. I'm sorry to be so sarcastic, but you're insulting my limited intelligence now. Either you are lying because you are taking this whole issue far more personally than is necessary, or your mentor is lying to bolster your ego.

I suppose you'd like to see some of my city and guild certificates, to make sure I'm not lying as well?

KillorLive June 2nd, 2004 03:11 AM

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Well it's better than dealing with this smut.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...212734,00.html

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT BULL SHIT?

And people DARE say public schools in America are screwed up? Let's teach kids how to suck it properly, they'll use that instead of getting pregnant! IT WILL HAVE ZERO REPROCUSSIONS AND THE KIDS WILL NOT BE PRESSURED INTO BLOWING EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW HOW TO DT.

It's annoying the stupidity people can have.

Mr. Matt June 2nd, 2004 03:27 AM

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4 hours of home work + 6 hours of school, thats 10 hours if I'm not mistaken
You don't have to quote school hours as excessive to me. My school was longer than most high schools. 8:30 - 4:00, with two days a week being 8:30 - 5:40 in years 10 and 11. Plus three hours homework per subject. And I managed to find the time to learn about things the national curriculum didn't teach and still have some fun.

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Why would I need a teacher to TELL me to write an exam paper? I can tell myself that, without the need for such a crutch.
Some exams require you to write in a specific way for the examiners. You can learn all there is to know about a specific subject, have flawless knowledge on every aspect. But if you don't write the exam paper in a specific way (which the teachers happen to understand) you won't get a top grade. It's one of the many reasons why any sort of official education, be it completed at home or school, is a joke so far as I'm concerned -- people can get high grade by knowing jack about anything, just because they wrote down the wrong facts in a way that pleased the examiners.

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Doubtless, my point was that the rule set was closer to the final thing, not identical.
Not really. I doubt your parents are ever insulting and abusive towards you consistently, neither are any of your reletives or 'mentors', is that what Sporky called them? Regardless of the level of maturity of the insults, you will have to put up with them both in school out of school.

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Well it's better than dealing with this smut.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_n...1212734,00.html
Yes. We all went through that :rolleyes: I remember the first day my teacher encouraged me to only pleasure women orally. Oh wait... no I don't... it's a fad that will never catch on...

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I suppose you'd like to see some of my city and guild certificates, to make sure I'm not lying as well?
I wasn't talking to you.

SpiderGoat June 2nd, 2004 04:19 AM

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yeah...so? It's not like us homeschool kids are all stupid and have to learn at a really slow pace to pick anything up...I don't think I've heard of any homeschool-kid having problems in college.

Never said, that they were stupid, but at unie/work you will - often - not have the chance to work/learn at your own pace.


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yeah
What country?

Belgium


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Homeschool kids are not stupid (most of em anyway). I myself am finishing highschool a year early.

If someone who can't add can finish highschool, it can't be that hard :p.



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If anything we're only sheltered from all the drugs, sex, and all the shit that goes on in public schools.

Sex is a natural part of life.

Luetchyboy June 2nd, 2004 06:20 AM

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Nobody is set 4 hours of homework expected in next day. It is your own fault should you leave it untill the last night.

Admiral Donutz June 2nd, 2004 08:12 AM

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4 hours a day is a still a little long: we (in the netherlands) went to school from 8:30-14:00 or 16:00. We where expected to make homework 1 a 2 hours a day.

I btw never encountered drugs on my school, and sex at school? kissing yes but no :hump: in the toilets or something... so no drugs, alcohol or sex on my school.

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Some exams require you to write in a specific way for the examiners. You can learn all there is to know about a specific subject, have flawless knowledge on every aspect. But if you don't write the exam paper in a specific way (which the teachers happen to understand) you won't get a top grade. It's one of the many reasons why any sort of official education, be it completed at home or school, is a joke so far as I'm concerned -- people can get high grade by knowing jack about anything, just because they wrote down the wrong facts in a way that pleased the examiners.
HAHA what kind of exams do you guys have, i feel sorry for you... we made practice exams and you would not get any points if you answered the question incorrectly but wrote it down in a good way.

Napalm June 2nd, 2004 10:43 AM

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Dont forget this: In a public or private school, there is interaction in the class room, so you get more opinions and view points than just what the text book says. For example, when I was in high school the way I write essays and the way I analyze things changes because I know how others do it, so I can do what works best, not what is taught in a book.

D.Sporky! June 2nd, 2004 01:03 PM

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You know, what you learn off the TV isn't generally accurate. I never even encountered drugs. And how you think avoiding sex is a good thing I'm unsure.

I don't watch TV. I don't have TV. Where I am there's lots of drugs in schools. And sex is meant for a married man and woman. (if you want to discuss that further, make a thread).

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Oh really? So you're not just relying on your parents, but the internet now? That's good.

Yes, often parents are meant to be teachers, and don't push their children hard enough.

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And yes, I can see that what your mentor says is true about your long distance 'correspondence' course. Please, visit the car forum and read some of the threads about 10 year olds who claim to own expensive, rare cars, which I also believe. I'm sorry to be so sarcastic, but you're insulting my limited intelligence now. Either you are lying because you are taking this whole issue far more personally than is necessary, or your mentor is lying to bolster your ego.

Oh really mr. smartass? Want me to send you some of my work? Hm? You know, I could forward you loads of e-mails my mom has recieved from my mentor, should I say, "praising" my family and me. I really don't have time for that shit, but if you want me to I could. Also here's the website for my online school. www.gatewayprep.com. Take a look, btw, Dr. Beasley is my teacher. Alot of the example work he uses for other students, I wrote. (no shit). Want me to prove that too? :rolleyes:

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Never said, that they were stupid, but at unie/work you will - often - not have the chance to work/learn at your own pace.

That's what I'm saying, it's not like us homeschool kids don't know that. Of course we don't expect to work at our own pace at college...

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Originally Posted by SpiderGoat
If someone who can't add can finish highschool, it can't be that hard

Guess where that kid had gone...yup, public school system...'nuff said?

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Sex is a natural part of life.

See what I said to Mr. Matt.

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Originally Posted by Matt
Not really. I doubt your parents are ever insulting and abusive towards you consistently, neither are any of your reletives or 'mentors', is that what Sporky called them? Regardless of the level of maturity of the insults, you will have to put up with them both in school out of school.

Yes, that's what they are called, "mentors," call em "teachers" if you like though. Whatever helps you sleep at night...

See what I highlighted? Like I said, we do get out, we're not "out of touch with reality."

Da-Ko June 2nd, 2004 02:57 PM

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don't watch TV. I don't have TV. Where I am there's lots of drugs in schools. And sex is meant for a married man and woman. (if you want to discuss that further, make a thread).
If there is a lot off drugs in the schools near you maby you are better off. Or maby when you turn 18 get out of your parents grasp you will experiment with drugs later in your life.
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Yes, often parents are meant to be teachers, and don't push their children hard enough.
I dont know about your parents, but teachers are trained in teaching. Parents arn't. I realy don't learn much from my parents I learn from books and internet.

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greetings fellow homeschooler! No, you are not weird, I'm 16 and I haven't asked a girl on a date either.
50% of the kids here said 14-15 years old for first date. The homeschoolers answerd "Over 18" Or said never. This is a example of social skills.
I dont want to make an enamy with you sporky, im just pointing some things out. The average level of academic achievement in Christian home schools at present looks good only when compared with the disastrously poor results currently the norm in public schools. While it is true that SAT scores are a little higher for home schools than for public schools, the average public school child comes from a generally poorer home environment and a school environment that is not conducive to learning.

Traditional education is important to a child's learning development. This type of schooling offers children a structure and opportunities to socially interact with other children.
Teachers dedicate years to formal education that prepares them for future teaching experiences. They are state certified, yet some parents think traditional education is weak because their children are not learning. These parents act out by withdrawing their children from school, so they can educate them at home. Home schooling is not beneficial to children because the parents are tampering with their children's future education.

Parents who choose to teach their children at home are taking on a large responsibility, which they may not be equipped to handle. People who are for home schooling bring up the argument that they want to monitor their child's development. This is simply not true; they want to control their children by monitoring their child's every move.

Often times when home schooling is applied, children grow up to feel resentment towards their parents and isolate their true feelings and ideas from them. My neighbor Jane Doe, who I interviewed, was home schooled. She told me she felt like she was in jail.

"Jane, how did you feel when you were being home schooled?"

"I felt like I was in jail, a home jail, not a home school."

She also told me that her relationship with her parents was strong until she started getting home schooled. The more and more she was home schooled the more her relationship with her parents started deteriorating and the more resentment she started feeling towards them.

In a household where children learn, there are usually one or two parents teaching. Parents of home schooling use the argument that they do not want their children to be exposed to an assortment of ideas. That is the problem with home schooling. The children do not receive an assortment of opinions and ideas. The teaching is one sided and lacks exposure to different ways people think. The children have fewer opportunities to socially interact with other peers. It is important a child has exposure with peers. Studies of self-esteem and social adjustment indicate that home-educated children are more likely to be socially and psychologically unhealthy (Montgomery, 1989; Shyers, 1992; Taylor 1986). Social interaction is an important part of a child's development.

Parents who are against public schools use the argument that they want to isolate their children to protect them from any outside peer influences. Peer influences such as drugs, and crimes but this is just not true. Sheltering children from such influences will not make these problems disappear. Later on in a child's life when he or she grows up they will have to go to a college or a university and they will encounter these same peer influences and not know how to handle them. Parents are not protecting their children but hurting them in the long run.

Traditional schooling is not as dismal as some think. Public schools offer a structured education, clubs, and after school activities for children. Qualified teachers instruct students during their education. Educating a child is important, and traditional schooling is the best choice a parent can make. The parents that teach home schooling are taking a step backwards in education. Home schooling parents want to shelter and control their isolated children but in doing that they lose sight of their true objective which is their child's education. If parents were truly concerned with their child's education they would send their child to a public school.



Answer by Arnold Guerrero (arnold@ThisisToPreventSpam-NOE-RemoveThis.vivifymedia.com) contributed on November 11, 2003, at 11:25am. Last updated on November 11, 2003, at 1:41pm.

Look at this site for pros and cons. I realy have most of the cons. http://www.faqfarm.com/Parenting/Homeschooling/519

D.Sporky! June 2nd, 2004 03:17 PM

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Well that's what homeschooling is kinda. You learn mostly from books, parents help with stuff you don't understand. And no, you're not at all making an enemy. ;)


Whether or not someone should be homeschooled depends on the child and the parents really. some kids do better in school. That's kewl. Some kids do better homeschooled, that's also kewl. Not all schools are good, some kids can't read in highschool! (no shit) So really, neither is much better than the other, it depends on the child/parent/school.


And yes, some kids would much rather go to school, and really hate homeschooling. Those kids shouldn't be forced to be homeschooled, that's baaaad. Depends on the kid (like I've said a million times).

Admiral Donutz June 2nd, 2004 04:45 PM

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Not all schools are good, some kids can't read in highschool! (no shit)

I can't believe that, these kids would be stucj in the first class(es_ of the primairy school, if you have bad marks (which you will have when you can hardly read) you can't go to the next class or even finish primairy school. Same goes for the kid that could add 1,5 and 1,5... This kid would come passed the 2nd or thirth class of primairy school!

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So really, neither is much better than the other, it depends on the child/parent/school.
I agree, although IMO is often the best solution. some kids might be better of homeschooled but i think that most of the children are better of in a public school for all of the reasons posted on this thread.

PS: don't use white for you font, i can only read it when highlighted (i use vbulllentin 3 grey, and i'm not the only one, just use the "default color" -the one on the top left- it will automatically change to a color that is readable on a specific background (depending on the style you use). This is just a piesce of advice!

loz27 June 2nd, 2004 05:09 PM

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I dont like the idea of my parents teaching me, to many spankings for not doing homework is what it sounds like ;) Would not be nice, also there where 80% of your friends come from is school.


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