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Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) This thread has been created to continue a discussion started in the Dating thread. I now yield the flaw to the critics of home education. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) i'm against homeschooling: if you live within an acceptable range of a school and don't need any special education you shool go to a public school, this way you will learn social skills. I'm not saying that homeschooled people aren't social/don't have any social skills but it makes a difference IMO. |
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I don't like the concept of home schooling. Going to a scool is not just about learning facts (math, grammar, language, history etc.). The school is also a place where you learn to socialise. In the modern day society, a lot of things have to be done in association with otehr persons. In school you learn how to mix with others and, more importantly, you begin to learn to work in groups. I know it may sond a bit long-hairish but it's the truth. I remember my old teahcer telling me this because I have always been better working individually. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) Home Schooling, in my opinion, is too sheilded. Public education is good cause it is more of an experience with real life and confrontations. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) I am for it. Simply because the standard school system is flawed it's focus too much on the whole class and not on any one student. So it's easy for a child to get left behind. Theres others but I'm too tired.... |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) i thought public schools rocked. i always knew when and where the partys where, and its fun to do stupid shit in class. ex. pretending your high in class, turning on my CD player as loud as it will go, and unplugging the head phones so everyone can hear some ACDC, ummmmmmmmmmmm...............other stuff like that. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) I don't know about other countries, but home schooling in America should not even be allowed. This day and age, learning social skills is much more important than being a math genious, or spelling expert. |
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Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) Well im homescooled, and been al my life. I dont like it but I will be done with highschool when I am 16:deal: . I think I may just decide to go to regular school any way. I hate:mad: the fact that I dont have many friends. Of course I think I will be picked on if I go to regular school since I am sort of a nerd:uhoh: . I think if I had a choice when I was 7 or 8 I would have went to regular school instead. But my parents decided for me.:( |
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Have any of you heard of the home education camps? Large amounts of us get together, indeed at one I went to recently there were in excess of a thousand of us, this provides, in my opinion, more than enough opportunity to socialise, then there are clubs and things you could go to, if you wanted to associate with people who go to school, so there are enough opportunities to socialise if someone wanted to. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) well, everyone in my class liked it, so........................ and i dont know of any kids who actually want to go to school and learn. oh and we didnt learn shit in that class. it was biology or some other gay class like that. |
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Edit Oh and Da-Ko that really suck's, everyone should be given a choice. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) lol probably. a lot of us just skipped school when we didnt feel like going. of coarse it was just for one day so we wouldnt be charged with truency (i actually payed attention in civics), and we had an excuse. |
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The Belgian public schools are among the best of the world, so no need to take private teaching. IF your country has poor public education, than I'd have more reasons to take a private teacher. Still, being social is one of the most important things in one's life. Almost every job will require you to be able to talk to people, win their confidence, and so on. + I think advanced maths and the sort (relativity, the difficult parts of chemistry) might be hard to learn at home. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) ok, saying biology is gay is my OPINION. doesnt mean u have to like it. and i was saying that it didnt disrupt the students who wanted to learn cause they all thought it was funny, and none of them were even listening in that class. now im sure glad we got that cleared up.................. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) i'm 50/50 on the i think plaple should pick if they went to go public school our home |
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nah i get it, some goes for Punk Rawker: i know what you meant but i just disagreed with the thing you wrote. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) ok, i see |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) I'm for homeschooling. I am homeschooled. I have 0 social problems. Just because you're homeschooled doesn't mean you don't get out, where I am there's a lot of "homeschool groups," which is basicly a bunch of homeschoolers getting together to go on fieldtrips and the like. It can be fun. (my homeschool group broke up ages ago however. :(). And, like someone said before, homeschooled children can progress at their own pace. Not all kids learn the same, it takes some kids longer to learn things than others. The public school system tries to make kids all move at the same pace. This often causes the child not to learn what he/she is having trouble with. Also (no offence to any of you who go to public school, I'm not trying to generalize), the avarage homeschooler is smarter than the avarage public-schooled kid. Also, I don't have faith in the educational systems in America, my uncle (who makes cabinates) hired this one kid, and asked him to add 1 1/2 and 1 1/2. The guy couldn't do it...he had just graduated highschool!!! (once again, I'm not saying that's everyone that goes to public school). However, there is drawbacks, like many people have said, homeschoolers do tend to have less social skills. (I used to be a really shy kid myself...). yes, us homeschoolers do have less friends. (I really only have 2 real good friends (offline) :(). But still, weighing the pros vs. the cons. I say homeschooling comes out on the top. |
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Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) I would think that a balance of street-smartness (common sense) and intelligence outweights little street-smartness and tons of intelligence. |
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My final say: I envy kids my age having parties and playing tricks on teachers. Mabry that isn’t what is important in life, maybe the future is more important. Which is better, A shy unsocial yet very smart kid that grows up to be a engineer or a social fun kid with lots of friends that is not as smart and grows up to be a pizza deliver. I have only seen 1 side. I really don’t know. I have the choice to stay home schooled or go to school now, but im just can’t decide. Just like I can’t decide to ask a girl I like out. I probly wont, ill just watch and do nothing. The pros I have are being able to have a flexible schedule. I can stay up all night watching X-files or stargate as long as I do enough work the next day. Sometimes I will just not do school on a day my friends are in town and do it on a weekend instead. :confused: :clueless: :madman: |
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You will learn all the neccary things in public schools, although you can tell you teacher where you want to specialise in. although even this can be done by people who go to a public school: they can learn extra stuff at home. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) How often are these 'Home school camps'? Once a week, for a full day? That would be pushing the limits. Any less than that isn't sufficient at all, so far as I can see. And as for a grasp on reality, putting aside for a second Ged's assumption that he needs a quick getaway plan so he can disappear in case anyone comes after him, even people who HAVE been to school never get what they expect when they enter the real world. But at least they have dealt with people long enough to get by while they learn. And they go out into a miniature recreation of the real world, with all the inter-personal politics that go with it, every weekday of their lives without the help of their parents, so they have at least some backing. Working at your own pace? Tell that to your boss in ten years time when you're three days late for a deadline. He/she'll laugh at you, then probably proceed to fire you if you keep doing so. Working at your own pace is the WORST habbit you could possibly get into so far as a job is concerned. Well, that is, if you have enough confidence around strangers to get past an interviewin the first place. Even bullying has its place! If you get bullied, you generally won't tell anyone. You have to deal with it on your own. That means learning to put up with the mockeries and insults thrown your way. Given the fact that there are usually one or two bullies per class, you can guarentee that most kids have at least received glancing verbal blows from one at one point or another. I have. I've even been in a defensive fight. It's far from fun, and not something you look back on fondly, but it teaches you some things. Like standing up for yourself, and not rising to provocation. It's just one of those things. Wherever you go, you will encounter someone with a superiority and/or hostility complex. They will belittle you and insult you. You can do one of two things in school. Learn to shrug off the blows. Or learn the confidence to shrug off the bully. Fail to do either, you won't survive the real world anyway. It's not a nice place. Nowhere near as nice as your cosy house. Claim to know as much about the 'real world' as you like, but you really don't know as much as you think you do. I admit to not knowing as much as I thought I did before I was shoved into it! And I went to school! I'm sure most people will claim the same. It's a shock to the system, and the more preparation you go through before hand, the better. And as for home schooled kids being cleverer than us'es dum pple, please don't force me into saying something I'll regret. You learn what you WANT to learn. Teachers just teach you what you need to pass exams. You want more, you learn by yourself anyway. Those who don't want to learn wouldn't want to learn whether they were at school or home. The endless reams of facts that you are forced into memorising isn't what's important about school anyway. NOBODY is ready for the real world, but it is possible to prepare somewhat. I don't think that people schooled at home are prepared at all. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) I just think that public education provides a better education..and you get social skills by being with other kids. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) Interesting story about specialising in a profession at school, my friend, from a long time back, wanted to be a constructional engineer, after going through the public school system, he has become a brick layer. Now I know he could have done what he wanted to, he?s not stupid, he?s rather smart and yet what has let him down? My only conclusion is that it must be the public school system, they were entrusted by his parents to educate him and they failed. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) He may be smart, but has he applied himself? You can be a genius, but if one doesn't apply him/herself...then it doesn't matter how smart he/she is. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) Indeed. You can't blame public schools for such things and public schools alone. There are many, many people who have done exceedingly well even having attended public schools to start off with. If you want something, you have to reach out and take it. If you don't feel you're learning enough in public school, what do you do? Learn it in your own time. The only person you have to blame for not achieving what you wanted to achieve is yourself. Firing blame at other people is easy but generally misguided. |
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You think because you went to school you have a better knowledge of the, unsavory aspects of human nature? People change after they leave school, this sort of invalidates you're argument that you are learning to deal with people, as all the rules will change, true it?s the same game but it?s a game we all know how to play anyway and I would say home-schooled children work by rules closer to the final set, so we have the advantage in that particular arena. |
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and come on guys (Mr. Matt in particular), what do you think? We expect to learn at our own pace in EVERYTHING allllll our lives. Come on, cut the BS, course we don't expect that! It takes some kids longer to learn things, like division for example. If you learn it at home you're most likely to understand it better (once again, Mr. Matt, I'm not generalizing. I'm not talking about ALL homeschool kids, and ALL public-schooled kids, stop thinking I am, please.). Once you get a grasp, and the little thing in your head goes "click," and you're like "ooohhh! that's why!" Then you won't be moving at a slower pace, you'll actually be moving faster than if you're forced to "learn" division in a shorter amount of time. Homeschool kids are not stupid (most of em anyway). I myself am finishing highschool a year early. Another thing, homeschooling isn't always just learning from your mom. There's many online courses you can take at home. Cyber-schools are popping up all over the place. *(in cyber schools you are made to move more at their pace though). I'm in a long distance corrispondence course, my mentor says that some of my works embarasses college students. And I can't stress enough, we are not socially inept! I have 0 problem talking to people. (When i play hockey for example, before and after the game, I'll just go up to someone and start talking to them...it really is no problem). And we're NOT over sheltered! If anything we're only sheltered from all the drugs, sex, and all the shit that goes on in public schools. We're missing 100% nothing there... |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) I've done both, public and home schooled. I suggest neither. I ended up dropping out and getting my GED anyway. Private schools all the way for my (unborn but trying hard) children. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) Home schooling I would not know about, but going to a school I loved heaps, made a lot of decent friends but also had to deal with stupid losers of kids who bullied. Stupid twats. There ya have it ;) |
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And yes, I can see that what your mentor says is true about your long distance 'correspondence' course. Please, visit the car forum and read some of the threads about 10 year olds who claim to own expensive, rare cars, which I also believe. I'm sorry to be so sarcastic, but you're insulting my limited intelligence now. Either you are lying because you are taking this whole issue far more personally than is necessary, or your mentor is lying to bolster your ego. |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) I just finished typing a (quasi) intelligent post and MAtt goes after the other guy... I feel left out. :'( |
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And people DARE say public schools in America are screwed up? Let's teach kids how to suck it properly, they'll use that instead of getting pregnant! IT WILL HAVE ZERO REPROCUSSIONS AND THE KIDS WILL NOT BE PRESSURED INTO BLOWING EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW HOW TO DT. It's annoying the stupidity people can have. |
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Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) Nobody is set 4 hours of homework expected in next day. It is your own fault should you leave it untill the last night. |
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Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) Dont forget this: In a public or private school, there is interaction in the class room, so you get more opinions and view points than just what the text book says. For example, when I was in high school the way I write essays and the way I analyze things changes because I know how others do it, so I can do what works best, not what is taught in a book. |
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See what I highlighted? Like I said, we do get out, we're not "out of touch with reality." |
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I dont want to make an enamy with you sporky, im just pointing some things out. The average level of academic achievement in Christian home schools at present looks good only when compared with the disastrously poor results currently the norm in public schools. While it is true that SAT scores are a little higher for home schools than for public schools, the average public school child comes from a generally poorer home environment and a school environment that is not conducive to learning. Traditional education is important to a child's learning development. This type of schooling offers children a structure and opportunities to socially interact with other children. Teachers dedicate years to formal education that prepares them for future teaching experiences. They are state certified, yet some parents think traditional education is weak because their children are not learning. These parents act out by withdrawing their children from school, so they can educate them at home. Home schooling is not beneficial to children because the parents are tampering with their children's future education. Parents who choose to teach their children at home are taking on a large responsibility, which they may not be equipped to handle. People who are for home schooling bring up the argument that they want to monitor their child's development. This is simply not true; they want to control their children by monitoring their child's every move. Often times when home schooling is applied, children grow up to feel resentment towards their parents and isolate their true feelings and ideas from them. My neighbor Jane Doe, who I interviewed, was home schooled. She told me she felt like she was in jail. "Jane, how did you feel when you were being home schooled?" "I felt like I was in jail, a home jail, not a home school." She also told me that her relationship with her parents was strong until she started getting home schooled. The more and more she was home schooled the more her relationship with her parents started deteriorating and the more resentment she started feeling towards them. In a household where children learn, there are usually one or two parents teaching. Parents of home schooling use the argument that they do not want their children to be exposed to an assortment of ideas. That is the problem with home schooling. The children do not receive an assortment of opinions and ideas. The teaching is one sided and lacks exposure to different ways people think. The children have fewer opportunities to socially interact with other peers. It is important a child has exposure with peers. Studies of self-esteem and social adjustment indicate that home-educated children are more likely to be socially and psychologically unhealthy (Montgomery, 1989; Shyers, 1992; Taylor 1986). Social interaction is an important part of a child's development. Parents who are against public schools use the argument that they want to isolate their children to protect them from any outside peer influences. Peer influences such as drugs, and crimes but this is just not true. Sheltering children from such influences will not make these problems disappear. Later on in a child's life when he or she grows up they will have to go to a college or a university and they will encounter these same peer influences and not know how to handle them. Parents are not protecting their children but hurting them in the long run. Traditional schooling is not as dismal as some think. Public schools offer a structured education, clubs, and after school activities for children. Qualified teachers instruct students during their education. Educating a child is important, and traditional schooling is the best choice a parent can make. The parents that teach home schooling are taking a step backwards in education. Home schooling parents want to shelter and control their isolated children but in doing that they lose sight of their true objective which is their child's education. If parents were truly concerned with their child's education they would send their child to a public school. Answer by Arnold Guerrero (arnold@ThisisToPreventSpam-NOE-RemoveThis.vivifymedia.com) contributed on November 11, 2003, at 11:25am. Last updated on November 11, 2003, at 1:41pm. Look at this site for pros and cons. I realy have most of the cons. http://www.faqfarm.com/Parenting/Homeschooling/519 |
Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) Well that's what homeschooling is kinda. You learn mostly from books, parents help with stuff you don't understand. And no, you're not at all making an enemy. ;) Whether or not someone should be homeschooled depends on the child and the parents really. some kids do better in school. That's kewl. Some kids do better homeschooled, that's also kewl. Not all schools are good, some kids can't read in highschool! (no shit) So really, neither is much better than the other, it depends on the child/parent/school. And yes, some kids would much rather go to school, and really hate homeschooling. Those kids shouldn't be forced to be homeschooled, that's baaaad. Depends on the kid (like I've said a million times). |
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Re: Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.) I dont like the idea of my parents teaching me, to many spankings for not doing homework is what it sounds like ;) Would not be nice, also there where 80% of your friends come from is school. |
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